Indian Army Artillery

sayareakd said:

k9 as track system and K8 as wheel system is good alternative, plus koreans have already give tot to Turkey, so we can also get this, L&T has tie up with them but IA to some strange reason dont want it.

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IA's reasons can not be strange. at best you can say for unknown reasons. Strange is that which you know but find unreasonable. No slanders please.

Bhadra said:

IA's reasons can not be strange. at best you can say for unknown reasons. Strange is that which you know but find unreasonable. No slanders please.

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still i find them...........

L&T are bringing that K9 and K8 for long time still IA dont find them worthy guns.......
Even TOT is not problem for them.
It is quite IA itself has to take 50% blame.

If war with China happen or two front war then we are screwed big time, i know our soldiers will fight with sticks and stones for sake of country still situation can be better handled.

sayareakd said:

..... IA to some strange reason dont want it.

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For the love of Bofors.

As the new COAS is there & the good team working between MOD, UPA & IA with shared values shall drive for the mutual beneficial decision for the new artillery deal.

sayareakd said:

k9 as track system and K8 as wheel system is good alternative, plus koreans have already give tot to Turkey, so we can also get this, L&T has tie up with them but IA to some strange reason dont want it.

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What is this K8 system saya. Can you please throw some light on it?

blueblood said:

What is this K8 system saya. Can you please throw some light on it?

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It is same K9 thunder gun on wheels.

sayareakd said:

It is same K9 thunder gun on wheels.

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Pics will be appreciated, mate. Thanks.

blueblood said:

Pics will be appreciated, mate. Thanks.

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Pic was take by me in 2008 along with 500 other pics at Defexpo 2008, but Pakistani attack on the old Indian Defence forum Site has resulted in all the pics being wiped off from internet, my computer was also formatted so i too lost what ever i had.

copy of pics were posted in forum.pakistandefence, but they too upgraded and then those pics were lost too.

If i found that pic i will post it.

sayareakd said:

It is same K9 thunder gun on wheels.

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Saya, any image/ picture or news/ article link of the K8 systems please.

I heard about K9, K10 but K8 is new for me.

There are few more Wheeled SPGs.......

FH-88 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Panter Howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Pakistan have few of them)

Nora B-52 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Burma already have it and BD ordered few in 2011)

FH-2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

G6 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CAESAR self-propelled howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ATMOS 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Archer Artillery System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

155mm SpGH ZUZANA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

152mm SpGH DANA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pablo Munoz said:

I think the Indian Army needs to speed up their evaluation process.

For the wheeled SPH requirement, I think India should either choose from the Zuzana SPH.

Or the G6 howitzer.

The Zuzana SPH is basically a variant based on the Dana SPH. The Dana SPH has 7 countries operating it. So one could easily assume it is a successful design and gets the job done fine.

And the G6 howitzer is operated by 3 countries and it saw action. So it too is successful.

Sure these Artillery Systems may not fit the exact requirements the Indian Army wants. But at least it's something for now to temporarily fill the gap!

At least for now until the BHIM howitzer project gets finished sooner or later and hopefully inducted into the Army. Just hurry up and get it over with I say!

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Zuzuana Spgh based on tatra, the same one in present in IA, I doubt it will pass, and T6 is dead for now.

beside k8 what option we have?

Thnx..

Kunal Biswas said:

beside k8 what option we have?

Thnx..

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KB, please any image of K8.
And the best options are Caesar and/or Archer, i think.

Regards.

Casper said:

KB, please any image of K8.
And the best options are Caesar and/or Archer, i think.
Regards.

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Wasn't Archer rejected by IA ?.... Guru's pls. comment. K8 could be an interesting option. Main drawback with Caesar is that the gun crew is exposed during firing. It does well as a truck mounted gun though. B.t.w. can't TATA (Tata Power Strategic Electronics Division) pitch in with it's Truck mounted (Denel) or can't they becoz of the ban on Denel Land systems ?

Kunal Biswas said:

Zuzuana Spgh based on tatra, the same one in present in IA, I doubt it will pass, and T6 is dead for now.

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Kunal,
Any info/ news on what's wrong with Zuzuana ?

General Dynamics European Land Systems and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann's DONAR






The DONAR is a new world-class, self-propelled, tracked, airborne-capable, fully automated self-propelled howitzer (155/52 cal.) featuring operation by a two-man crew (driver + commander), all-terrain mobility, long range and precise firing capability. The mission spectrum of the DONAR ranges from classic artillery fire support missions to active field protection and is designed to replace legacy systems (e.g. M-109, AS90, K9, etc.) in service with modern armies. The system addresses the growing need for precise indirect fire capabilities that can augment or even replace close-air-support operations previously conducted by costly fixed- or rotary-wing aircraft.

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The Panzerhaubitze 2000 ("Armoured howitzer 2000"), abbreviated PzH 2000, is a German 155 mm self-propelled howitzer developed by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) and Rheinmetall for the German Army. The PzH 2000 is one of the most powerful conventional artillery systems currently deployed. It is particularly notable for a very high rate of fire; in burst mode it can fire three rounds in 9 seconds, ten rounds in 56 seconds, and can fire between 10 and 13 rounds per minute continuously, depending on barrel heating.[1] The PzH 2000 has automatic support for Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) for up to 5 rounds. The replenishment of shells is automated. Two operators can load 60 shells and propelling charges in less than 12 minutes. PzH 2000 has also been selected by the armies of Italy, Netherlands and Greece, and more orders are probable as many NATO forces replace their M109 howitzers.

kaustav2001 said:

Wasn't Archer rejected by IA ?.... Guru's pls. comment. K8 could be an interesting option. Main drawback with Caesar is that the gun crew is exposed during firing. It does well as a truck mounted gun though. B.t.w. can't TATA (Tata Power Strategic Electronics Division) pitch in with it's Truck mounted (Denel) or can't they becoz of the ban on Denel Land systems ?

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Not sure, but IA thinks that Archer doesn't match with their RFP.

The article says.....
BAE's Archer apparently doesn't fit the RFP criteria......

(Please see this article @ Sept 10/10: The Indian defense ministry is expected to issue its 3rd wheeled howitzer RFP)

Murky Competitions Indian Howitzer Orders May End Soon"¦ Or Not

Casper said:

KB, please any image of K8.
And the best options are Caesar and/or Archer, i think.

Regards.

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Ceaser and modified Archer are offered to IA and they are under consideration in category of 155mm mounted System..

K8:


@Sayareakd Sir..

K8 & Zuzuna are under wheel SPGH..

kaustav2001 said:

Wasn't Archer rejected by IA ?.... Guru's pls. comment. K8 could be an interesting option. Main drawback with Caesar is that the gun crew is exposed during firing. It does well as a truck mounted gun though. B.t.w. can't TATA (Tata Power Strategic Electronics Division) pitch in with it's Truck mounted (Denel) or can't they becoz of the ban on Denel Land systems ?

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Earlier Archer was rejected coz of its complex auto reloading mechanism which is harder to maintain in Indian environment, But modified one is offered which is same as Ceaser..

Denel is a big organization and its Arty branch is ban with any JV with OFB & DRDO but not with TATA..

kaustav2001 said:

Kunal,
Any info/ news on what's wrong with Zuzuana ?

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Nothing wrong, But wheeled SPGH tender is re opened and Zuzuana 2 instead of Zuzuana 1 is racing with updated ARZU tracked SPGH instead of Himalaya SPGH based on T-72 chassis, ARZU is based on Arjun Chassis, It just got better..





Though with current state of BEML scandal the future is unknown of these SPGHs..

asianobserve said:

General Dynamics European Land Systems and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann's DONAR

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One of the best and its offered with L&T

Kunal Biswas said:

@Sayareakd Sir..

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where did you get this pic, Kunal sir ?

I did lot of search for this pic.

Kunal Biswas said:

One of the best and its offered with L&T

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KB sir...any idea how does DONAR compares to PzH 2000....both being german...??!!