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Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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Quick burials and lack of tests raise fears coronavirus outbreak is much bigger than China admits


A Chinese woman takes a photo of the Forbidden City, which was ordered closed by authorities CREDIT: KEVIN FRAYER/GETTY
25 JANUARY 2020 • 4:45PM


The corpse of Chen Min was wrapped in a yellow body bag with tape when it was delivered to the funeral home by workers in hazmat suits. The staff disinfected the van they travelled in and disposed of protective gear.

Despite being pressured into a quick cremation by authorities, the grieving family did not know if the 65-year-old had died from the novel coronavirus sweeping China. And they still don't.

Official figures estimate that 41 people have died so far and 1,300 have been infected. But experts at Imperial College reckon as many as 9,700 could have come down the disease.

The swift disposal of Ms Chen's body raises further questions about the scale of the problem.

Ms Chen’s fever and cough had set in only ten days before. Visits to three hospitals in Wuhan – the epicentre of the outbreak that by then had killed at least one person and spread overseas – all ended the same way, diagnosed with a cold and sent home with basic medicine.

Her symptoms were consistent with the new virus infection, but doctors didn’t test for the mystery disease, nor quarantine her from others – not even when a CT scan showed shadows in her lungs.

By the time she was placed in isolation at a hospital on January 15, she was in critical condition. Six hours later, she died.


Her death certificate lists the cause as “severe pneumonia.” But doctors told her family she had “that” type of pneumonia, “highly likely” from a coronavirus infection.

“Those words are very obvious hints to patients and relatives, but there are no written records or reports,” Ms Chen’s stepson, Kyle Hui, 40, told The Telegraph.

Communist Party leader Xi Jinping has ordered “all-out” efforts to handle the epidemic, the latest in a string of political crises challenging his leadership.

China's healthcare system struggles to support the population of 1.4 billion. With a major health crisis, the strain is even more visible.


A worker dispenses hand sanitizer to a shopper at the entrance of a supermarket in Wuhan CREDIT: CHINATOPIX
Socialised medicine improved life expectancy as China’s economy rose to become the world’s second-largest, and the government has ambitious reform plans.

But China lacks robust primary care – the first line of defence – and resources for recovery and rehabilitation are scarce, said Chen Xi, a professor at the Yale School of Public Health.

The country has one GP per 7,000 people, compared to the international standard of one for every 1,500 to 2,000 people, as recommended by the World Health Organization.

In practice, this means patients are sick by the time they queue – sometimes before dawn – at overcrowded and understaffed hospitals to seek treatment, from basic to chronic ailments. Rural residents have even greater difficulty accessing quality care.


Years of scandals – faulty vaccines, expired meat, tainted baby formula – have added to frustrations. Grievances have ended with patients or their relatives stabbing doctors to death. Security checks at hospitals try to combat the phenomenon, dubbed “yinao,” or “healthcare disturbance.”


In Wuhan, hospitals are already running out of medical supplies, patient beds and coronavirus diagnostic test kits.

“Some people with fevers and colds are being persuaded to go back home,” said Mr Chen. “They have no capacity…[and] that is worrisome, when the virus develops faster than the capacity of the health system.”

People are posting complaints online, along with photos of long hospital lines, though such comments are being deleted quickly by Chinese government censors, seeking to control the flow of information.

Mr Hui’s social media post about his mother’s funeral – in which he detailed meeting three other families who suspected their relatives also died because of the coronavirus – has been scrubbed off the internet.

At least eight people have been called to a police station in Wuhan for “spreading rumours” after they posted online about the virus – a common tactic by the ruling Chinese Communist Party for silencing dissidents.

Difficulty getting access to information and care could exacerbate the outbreak, and eventually become a source of casualties, warned Mr Chen. And if China’s response is ineffective, that could complicate disease spread globally.


“I already had a cold,” said Tina Wang, 25, an international school teacher from Wuhan.


Dozens of diggers work to build a new hospital in Wuhan CREDIT: ANADOLU AGENCY
But after hearing about trouble getting treatment, “I thought there would be a higher risk of getting infected if I go to the hospital, so I stayed at home and am taking medicine on my own.”

China is scaling up for more patients, announcing plans Friday to build two new hospitals dedicated to treating those infected by the virus.

The local government, however, is already under pressure for what residents and public health experts say was a botched initial response. While authorities knew of cases as far back as early December, it wasn’t announced to the public for weeks.

And when the outbreak source was traced to a seafood market in Wuhan, the government ordered vendors to shut and disinfected the facility. That left little for scientists, looking to pinpoint how the virus was transmitted to humans, a key piece of information that could inform prevention and treatment.

Resignation calls are mounting for Zhou Xianwang, the mayor of Wuhan, who “made no mention of a health crisis brewing” in a recent government forum, said Dali Yang, professor of political science at the University of Chicago.


Part of the slow trickle of information may have been due to an annual local government meeting that ended January 17, after which the number of confirmed coronavirus cases began to spike.

During key political events, “they want to project the air that everything is all right and try to hide the situation,” said Mr Yang. Concerns of being upstaged could have led to a “deliberate decision not to release cases until after.”

Local officials may also have been worried that involving senior Chinese leaders would mean missing out on the next promotion.

Over the last week, Beijing has taken over handling emergency response as the number of confirmed cases ticked rapidly upward, spreading as far away as the US.

A lockdown has affected tens of millions in hopes of containing disease spread, though without more information disseminated regarding health risks, many people had already travelled ahead of the Chinese New Year holiday.


And while screening checkpoints have gone up in transport hubs as part of wider detection efforts, people keep slipping through the cracks.

Mr Hui says he wasn’t tested before departing Wuhan a few days ago, though such procedures were put in place more than a week before.


Upon arrival in Shanghai, where he works as an architect, he also didn’t undergo any disinfecting treatment. Despite explaining he might have been exposed to the virus, the local health ministry told him he couldn’t be tested for the coronavirus unless he developed a fever.

Information disclosed by the Chinese government, however, has shown that some of the infected patients who died didn’t have fevers when they were admitted. Researchers outside of China have since confirmed that there aren’t always telltale symptoms of infection.

So Mr Hui is in a self-imposed quarantine, staying in a different place from his wife and son for the next two weeks, while he monitors his health.

Doctors haven’t advised him or his family how to manage their exposure, and a medical bill hasn’t been issued – consistent with a government guarantee to cover costs for coronavirus-infected patients.

Worrryingly, his sister-in-law, 42, has fallen ill. As his mother was never checked for the virus, Mr Hui and his father have lobbied hard for her to be evaluated.

“It’s like a pyramid,” he said. “Only a small amount of people on the top are tested for the virus. The rest don’t stand a chance.”

She has since been tested, and doctors say the worst of the virus has cleared, though they’ve kept her in hospital for monitoring.


“The whole holiday week is ruined,” said Mr Hui, who has been going through the motions – arranging his mother’s funeral, cancelling her bank accounts. Her death hasn’t quite sunk in.

Sighing deeply, he also hasn’t figured out how to tell his son that nainai – “grandma“ – is gone.

“I don’t have any energy to think about that right now.”

Additional reporting by Yiyin Zhong

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...k-tests-raise-fears-cornavirus-outbreak-much/
 

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Quick burials and lack of tests raise fears coronavirus outbreak is much bigger than China admits


A Chinese woman takes a photo of the Forbidden City, which was ordered closed by authorities CREDIT: KEVIN FRAYER/GETTY
25 JANUARY 2020 • 4:45PM


The corpse of Chen Min was wrapped in a yellow body bag with tape when it was delivered to the funeral home by workers in hazmat suits. The staff disinfected the van they travelled in and disposed of protective gear.

Despite being pressured into a quick cremation by authorities, the grieving family did not know if the 65-year-old had died from the novel coronavirus sweeping China. And they still don't.

Official figures estimate that 41 people have died so far and 1,300 have been infected. But experts at Imperial College reckon as many as 9,700 could have come down the disease.

The swift disposal of Ms Chen's body raises further questions about the scale of the problem.

Ms Chen’s fever and cough had set in only ten days before. Visits to three hospitals in Wuhan – the epicentre of the outbreak that by then had killed at least one person and spread overseas – all ended the same way, diagnosed with a cold and sent home with basic medicine.

Her symptoms were consistent with the new virus infection, but doctors didn’t test for the mystery disease, nor quarantine her from others – not even when a CT scan showed shadows in her lungs.

By the time she was placed in isolation at a hospital on January 15, she was in critical condition. Six hours later, she died.


Her death certificate lists the cause as “severe pneumonia.” But doctors told her family she had “that” type of pneumonia, “highly likely” from a coronavirus infection.

“Those words are very obvious hints to patients and relatives, but there are no written records or reports,” Ms Chen’s stepson, Kyle Hui, 40, told The Telegraph.

Communist Party leader Xi Jinping has ordered “all-out” efforts to handle the epidemic, the latest in a string of political crises challenging his leadership.

China's healthcare system struggles to support the population of 1.4 billion. With a major health crisis, the strain is even more visible.


A worker dispenses hand sanitizer to a shopper at the entrance of a supermarket in Wuhan CREDIT: CHINATOPIX
Socialised medicine improved life expectancy as China’s economy rose to become the world’s second-largest, and the government has ambitious reform plans.

But China lacks robust primary care – the first line of defence – and resources for recovery and rehabilitation are scarce, said Chen Xi, a professor at the Yale School of Public Health.

The country has one GP per 7,000 people, compared to the international standard of one for every 1,500 to 2,000 people, as recommended by the World Health Organization.

In practice, this means patients are sick by the time they queue – sometimes before dawn – at overcrowded and understaffed hospitals to seek treatment, from basic to chronic ailments. Rural residents have even greater difficulty accessing quality care.


Years of scandals – faulty vaccines, expired meat, tainted baby formula – have added to frustrations. Grievances have ended with patients or their relatives stabbing doctors to death. Security checks at hospitals try to combat the phenomenon, dubbed “yinao,” or “healthcare disturbance.”


In Wuhan, hospitals are already running out of medical supplies, patient beds and coronavirus diagnostic test kits.

“Some people with fevers and colds are being persuaded to go back home,” said Mr Chen. “They have no capacity…[and] that is worrisome, when the virus develops faster than the capacity of the health system.”

People are posting complaints online, along with photos of long hospital lines, though such comments are being deleted quickly by Chinese government censors, seeking to control the flow of information.

Mr Hui’s social media post about his mother’s funeral – in which he detailed meeting three other families who suspected their relatives also died because of the coronavirus – has been scrubbed off the internet.

At least eight people have been called to a police station in Wuhan for “spreading rumours” after they posted online about the virus – a common tactic by the ruling Chinese Communist Party for silencing dissidents.

Difficulty getting access to information and care could exacerbate the outbreak, and eventually become a source of casualties, warned Mr Chen. And if China’s response is ineffective, that could complicate disease spread globally.


“I already had a cold,” said Tina Wang, 25, an international school teacher from Wuhan.


Dozens of diggers work to build a new hospital in Wuhan CREDIT: ANADOLU AGENCY
But after hearing about trouble getting treatment, “I thought there would be a higher risk of getting infected if I go to the hospital, so I stayed at home and am taking medicine on my own.”

China is scaling up for more patients, announcing plans Friday to build two new hospitals dedicated to treating those infected by the virus.

The local government, however, is already under pressure for what residents and public health experts say was a botched initial response. While authorities knew of cases as far back as early December, it wasn’t announced to the public for weeks.

And when the outbreak source was traced to a seafood market in Wuhan, the government ordered vendors to shut and disinfected the facility. That left little for scientists, looking to pinpoint how the virus was transmitted to humans, a key piece of information that could inform prevention and treatment.

Resignation calls are mounting for Zhou Xianwang, the mayor of Wuhan, who “made no mention of a health crisis brewing” in a recent government forum, said Dali Yang, professor of political science at the University of Chicago.


Part of the slow trickle of information may have been due to an annual local government meeting that ended January 17, after which the number of confirmed coronavirus cases began to spike.

During key political events, “they want to project the air that everything is all right and try to hide the situation,” said Mr Yang. Concerns of being upstaged could have led to a “deliberate decision not to release cases until after.”

Local officials may also have been worried that involving senior Chinese leaders would mean missing out on the next promotion.

Over the last week, Beijing has taken over handling emergency response as the number of confirmed cases ticked rapidly upward, spreading as far away as the US.

A lockdown has affected tens of millions in hopes of containing disease spread, though without more information disseminated regarding health risks, many people had already travelled ahead of the Chinese New Year holiday.


And while screening checkpoints have gone up in transport hubs as part of wider detection efforts, people keep slipping through the cracks.

Mr Hui says he wasn’t tested before departing Wuhan a few days ago, though such procedures were put in place more than a week before.


Upon arrival in Shanghai, where he works as an architect, he also didn’t undergo any disinfecting treatment. Despite explaining he might have been exposed to the virus, the local health ministry told him he couldn’t be tested for the coronavirus unless he developed a fever.

Information disclosed by the Chinese government, however, has shown that some of the infected patients who died didn’t have fevers when they were admitted. Researchers outside of China have since confirmed that there aren’t always telltale symptoms of infection.

So Mr Hui is in a self-imposed quarantine, staying in a different place from his wife and son for the next two weeks, while he monitors his health.

Doctors haven’t advised him or his family how to manage their exposure, and a medical bill hasn’t been issued – consistent with a government guarantee to cover costs for coronavirus-infected patients.

Worrryingly, his sister-in-law, 42, has fallen ill. As his mother was never checked for the virus, Mr Hui and his father have lobbied hard for her to be evaluated.

“It’s like a pyramid,” he said. “Only a small amount of people on the top are tested for the virus. The rest don’t stand a chance.”

She has since been tested, and doctors say the worst of the virus has cleared, though they’ve kept her in hospital for monitoring.


“The whole holiday week is ruined,” said Mr Hui, who has been going through the motions – arranging his mother’s funeral, cancelling her bank accounts. Her death hasn’t quite sunk in.

Sighing deeply, he also hasn’t figured out how to tell his son that nainai – “grandma“ – is gone.

“I don’t have any energy to think about that right now.”

Additional reporting by Yiyin Zhong

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...k-tests-raise-fears-cornavirus-outbreak-much/
I repeat chinks are lying again . CCP can't control this can only lie as always. Pathetic loosers.
Nuke China now.
 

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http://www.chinawhisper.com/top-10-most-cruel-foods-in-china/

I don't wish any disease or harm to fellow Chinese but as a Hindu and believer in Karma when such cruelty will be done to mute animals and people will rejoice over it then it is just Karma what China is facing now.
Hope less and less people had to suffer and China becomes stable again.
Chinese are anyway slaves to CCP. There lives have no value other than working for CCP without any rights or freedoms. Maybe God is giving them independence through death.
 

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Chinese are anyway slaves to CCP. There lives have no value other than working for CCP without any rights or freedoms. Maybe God is giving them independence through death.
It is not like that mate. I have Chinese (Buddhist) friends and some of them are part of extended family and they are God fearing and really nice people just like you and I. Some of them don't even eat meat. China is a huge country as of India. Don't judge it through lense of CCP.
 

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It is not like that mate. I have Chinese (Buddhist) friends and some of them are part of extended family and they are God fearing and really nice people just like you and I. Some of them don't even eat meat. China is a huge country as of India. Don't judge it through lense of CCP.
I just want freedom for them . Buddisht are good people but CCP brainwashed zombies will be better dead than alive .
 

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The most worrying about this latest outbreak is human-to-human transmission. With international air travel this virus has the potential to spread fast, far and wide.

We tried to buy more face mask but all drugstores seem to have no more stocks... odd.
 

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I just want freedom for them . Buddisht are good people but CCP brainwashed zombies will be better dead than alive .
To be honest most Chinese don't want democracy.

Democracy can only give this huge country a lot of chaos.
 

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To be honest most Chinese don't want democracy.

Democracy can only give this huge country a lot of chaos.
Spoken like a true slave. If there was democracy in china CCP wouldn't be hiding all these deaths and early outbreak and it could have been contained much faster.

Seems like CCP is bringing death and chaos to china not democracy .
 

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Spoken like a true slave. If there was democracy in china CCP wouldn't be hiding all these deaths and early outbreak and it could have been contained much faster.

Seems like CCP is bringing death and chaos to china not democracy .
If choose a country to live , democratic India or authoritarian China, I will choose to live in China.

No country in the world is prosperous because of democracy.

Democracy is the result of wealth, not the cause of wealth
 

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If choose a country to live , democratic India or authoritarian China, I will choose to live in China.

No country in the world is prosperous because of democracy.

Democracy is the result of wealth, not the cause of wealth
But when it really matters in a crisis your government falls on its face and leaves total anarchy.



 
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If choose a country to live , democratic India or authoritarian China, I will choose to live in China.

No country in the world is prosperous because of democracy.

Democracy is the result of wealth, not the cause of wealth
Your comparison is flawed. You are comparing two countries with a hugely different GDP PPP per capita on wealth parameter then relating it to civil rights and liberties.

Correct question should be where would you choose to live :
Authoritarian China or Democratic Latvia or Greece
 

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But you can't chose ! You are a slave you have no choice.
We believe in our government , because we know we are not as profession as these government officer to operate this huge country.

If China is democracy , China have union Taiwan many years ago.
 

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Your comparison is flawed. You are comparing two countries with a hugely different wealth indicators on wealth parameters then relating it to civil rights and liberties.

Correct question should be where would you choose to live :
Authoritarian China or Democratic Latvia or Greece

Do you know each India & China is established at about 1950, and India even have a better status than China that time.

These two country have developed in two systems , and have total different result.
 

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Do you know each India & China is established at about 1950, and India even have a better status than China that time.

These two country have developed in two systems , and have total different result.
I agree. China left us behind ages ago.
 

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