Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier

[J20!]

The CIC on Liaoning :

CV16's OLS(optical landing system)

Screen shots showing the carrier's large CIC from a CCTV documentary on CV16.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Multiple training trips to the South China Seas was watched by US, Taiwan and ASEAN navies and air forces. It was steaming at over 30 knots during some portions of the trips. It has a very good reworked engine unlike the Adm. Kuznetsov of the Russian Navy which was going around 19 knot during the Syria trip and needed a tug on standby.

 

[Hari Sud]

Pointless defence of a poorly built and upgraded Chinese Aircraft Carrier by Chinese members of this forum. Case in point posts 731, 732 and 733 by J20 and SexyChineseLady.


Whatever is poorly built will stay poorly built. Chinese have to blame themselves for that.

 

[J20!]

Pointless defence of a poorly built and upgraded Chinese Aircraft Carrier by Chinese members of this forum. Case in point posts 731, 732 and 733 by J20 and SexyChineseLady.


Whatever is poorly built will stay poorly built. Chinese have to blame themselves for that.

Again, all nonsense and no source material.

If CV16 is "poorly built and upgraded", pray tell what is INS Vikramaditya? A Chinese shipyard refurbished CV16 in their own facilities with Chinese engineers. The PRC's economy reaped the technological and financial benefits of that deal, and the Chinese Navy received a never used, newly equipped carrier to build they're naval aviation capability.

The IN got ripped off $2.35 BILLION by a Russian shipyard for a "poorly built and upgraded" "aircraft carrier" first commissioned 30 years ago because Indian shipyards couldn't refurbish it themselves. Indians "have to blame themselves for that".

 

[Hari Sud]

Again, all nonsense and no source material.

If CV16 is "poorly built and upgraded", pray tell what is INS Vikramaditya? A Chinese shipyard refurbished CV16 in their own facilities with Chinese engineers. The PRC's economy reaped the technological and financial benefits of that deal, and the Chinese Navy received a never used, newly equipped carrier to build they're naval aviation capability.

The IN got ripped off $2.35 BILLION by a Russian shipyard for a "poorly built and upgraded" "aircraft carrier" first commissioned 30 years ago because Indian shipyards couldn't refurbish it themselves. Indians "have to blame themselves for that".

When it was in Russian hands, Varyag was a potent platform. With Chinese home made upgrades, it is a scrap metal, as Armand2Rep said in his #737 post.

 

[J20!]

When it was in Russian hands, Varyag was a potent platform. With Chinese home made upgrades, it is a scrap metal, as Armand2Rep said in his #737 post.

Varyag was never "in Russian hands" genius. She was a Soviet carrier which was incomplete when the SU dissolved. All Soviet carriers where built and refurbished in Ukraine. Russia proper never had any experience building or refurbishing aircraft carriers before it tinkered with Vikramaditya.

Sevmash, had 0 experience with carriers when it refurbished Gorshkov, which no doubt explains the price hike from $950 million to $2.35 billion for a sub-optimal carrier.

Which you would know if you did any research other than trolling Chinese threads on this forum. But hey, if Indians enjoy getting shafted by Russian defence contractors so much., keep going. Neither you nor @Armand2REP can post anything substantive.

Go troll somewhere else.

 

[Armand2REP]

Varyag was never "in Russian hands" genius. She was a Soviet carrier which was incomplete when the SU dissolved. All Soviet carriers where built and refurbished in Ukraine. Russia proper never had any experience building or refurbishing aircraft carriers before it tinkered with Vikramaditya.

Sevmash, had 0 experience with carriers when it refurbished Gorshkov, which no doubt explains the price hike from $950 million to $2.35 billion for a sub-optimal carrier.

Which you would know if you did any research other than trolling Chinese threads on this forum. But hey, if Indians enjoy getting shafted by Russian defence contractors so much., keep going. Neither you nor @Armand2REP can post anything substantive.

Go troll somewhere else.

All equipment of the FSU was distributed among its states. The hull of the Varyag went to Ukraine because Russia didn't want it. The Ukraine first tried to sell it to them and then offered to gift it to them. Russia didn't want it because it was rusted not even worth scrapping. By the time it got to China it was graffitied with "The French were here." For 20 years that hull was left to rust with no maintenance, it was not even painted. Do you have any idea what kind of damage that does being open to salt corrosion for two decades? The reason the Liaoning is designated a training ship is because it is not safe to deploy it as an active naval vessel.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Thread re-opened ..

Post related to such comparison sake debates are moved to appropriate thread and members are notified, further such post related to such topic will be deleted ..

 

[J20!]

The first Type 901 class underway replenishment vessel Hulunhu (pennant number 965) has joined CV16 Liaoning at the Qingdao naval base.

At 40 000+ tons full load, the class is clearly meant to be attached to the Navy's carriers.

 

[indiatester]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil.../?src=nl&mag=pop&list=nl_pnl_news&date=120517

China's Aircraft Carriers Have a Menace: Jellyfish Swarms

Scientists invented a net lined with blades—seriously—to deal with the swarms that are fouling up China's warships.

Getty

By Kyle Mizokami
Dec 5, 2017
279



One of China's most intractable enemies doesn’t even have a vertebrae—or a brain.

Chinese scientists and engineers are devising new methods to destroy swarms of jellyfish before they can get into naval propulsion systems, halting ships dead in their tracks or overheating their engines. Ironically, this seems to be a problem of China’s own making. Its overfishing, especially of shark fisheries, is a contributing factor to the global jellyfish population explosion.

Engineers at the Liaoning Ocean and Fisheries Science Research Institute in Dalian, China are developing a so-called “jellyfish shredder” to deal with large swarms of the marine invertebrates. According to the South China Morning Post, the device consists of a net hundreds of yards long lined with sharp steel blades. Towed behind a ship, the jellyfish shredder slices any jellyfish in its path into small pieces, decimating swarms of jellyfish and clearing a path for larger vessels.

It sounds ridiculous, but the jellyfish boom is a huge problem and not just for the People’s Liberation Army Navy. Swarms of jellyfish, some as large as an armchair, are becoming more and more frequent and posing a hazard to man-made objects. Jellyfish swarms have closed down coastal coal and nuclear plants in the United States, Sweden, the Philippines, the United Kingdom, and Japan, as intakes that suck up seawater to be used for coolant accidentally vacuum up large numbers of jellyfish, clogging them. Power plants affected by jelly swarms must switch off to clean them out. In the Philippines, millions of people lost electricity when the 1,000-megawatt Sual power plant was forced to shut down to remove 50 tons of jellyfish.

These jellyfish swarms also pose dangers to warships. In 2006, the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan was incapacitated while visiting Brisbane, Australia due to blubber jellyfish swarms. Reportedly, cooling pipes for the ship’s nuclear reactor were clogged with the foot-wide jellies, necessitating an evacuation of the carrier.

Nomura’s jellyfish infestation, off the coast of Japan, 2009.
GettyLucia Terui
China’s first aircraft carrier, Liaoning, was built in Dalian on the Yellow Sea and frequently exercises in the nearby body of water. The Yellow Sea has seen an explosion of jellyfish in recent years, particularly Nomura’s jellyfish, one of the largest marine invertebrates in the world. In 2009, a Japanese fishing trawler capsized after its nets became full of Nomura’s jellyfish, each of which can weigh up to 440 pounds. While Liaoning isn’t nuclear-powered, it probably does suck in seawater to use as coolant. If those seawater intakes are clogged, systems can rapidly overheat, causing equipment burnouts and even fires.

Ironically, the jellyfish problem is partially of China’s own doing. As many as one hundred million sharks are killed each year, much of it in the form of bycatch in an attempt to catch other forms of seafood but also for shark’s fin soup, a delicacy in China. Although demand for the soup has declined in recent years, the shark population is still way down. Sharks are a major predator of jellyfish and scientists believe their absence is a major reason why jellyfish populations have exploded. In addition, chronic overfishing can also lead to jellyfish taking over entire ocean regions, and China accounts for 35 percent of the global seafood market.

 

[J20!]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil.../?src=nl&mag=pop&list=nl_pnl_news&date=120517

China's Aircraft Carriers Have a Menace: Jellyfish Swarms

Scientists invented a net lined with blades—seriously—to deal with the swarms that are fouling up China's warships.

Getty

By Kyle Mizokami
Dec 5, 2017
279



One of China's most intractable enemies doesn’t even have a vertebrae—or a brain.

Chinese scientists and engineers are devising new methods to destroy swarms of jellyfish before they can get into naval propulsion systems, halting ships dead in their tracks or overheating their engines. Ironically, this seems to be a problem of China’s own making. Its overfishing, especially of shark fisheries, is a contributing factor to the global jellyfish population explosion.

Engineers at the Liaoning Ocean and Fisheries Science Research Institute in Dalian, China are developing a so-called “jellyfish shredder” to deal with large swarms of the marine invertebrates. According to the South China Morning Post, the device consists of a net hundreds of yards long lined with sharp steel blades. Towed behind a ship, the jellyfish shredder slices any jellyfish in its path into small pieces, decimating swarms of jellyfish and clearing a path for larger vessels.

It sounds ridiculous, but the jellyfish boom is a huge problem and not just for the People’s Liberation Army Navy. Swarms of jellyfish, some as large as an armchair, are becoming more and more frequent and posing a hazard to man-made objects. Jellyfish swarms have closed down coastal coal and nuclear plants in the United States, Sweden, the Philippines, the United Kingdom, and Japan, as intakes that suck up seawater to be used for coolant accidentally vacuum up large numbers of jellyfish, clogging them. Power plants affected by jelly swarms must switch off to clean them out. In the Philippines, millions of people lost electricity when the 1,000-megawatt Sual power plant was forced to shut down to remove 50 tons of jellyfish.

These jellyfish swarms also pose dangers to warships. In 2006, the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan was incapacitated while visiting Brisbane, Australia due to blubber jellyfish swarms. Reportedly, cooling pipes for the ship’s nuclear reactor were clogged with the foot-wide jellies, necessitating an evacuation of the carrier.

Nomura’s jellyfish infestation, off the coast of Japan, 2009.
GettyLucia Terui
China’s first aircraft carrier, Liaoning, was built in Dalian on the Yellow Sea and frequently exercises in the nearby body of water. The Yellow Sea has seen an explosion of jellyfish in recent years, particularly Nomura’s jellyfish, one of the largest marine invertebrates in the world. In 2009, a Japanese fishing trawler capsized after its nets became full of Nomura’s jellyfish, each of which can weigh up to 440 pounds. While Liaoning isn’t nuclear-powered, it probably does suck in seawater to use as coolant. If those seawater intakes are clogged, systems can rapidly overheat, causing equipment burnouts and even fires.

Ironically, the jellyfish problem is partially of China’s own doing. As many as one hundred million sharks are killed each year, much of it in the form of bycatch in an attempt to catch other forms of seafood but also for shark’s fin soup, a delicacy in China. Although demand for the soup has declined in recent years, the shark population is still way down. Sharks are a major predator of jellyfish and scientists believe their absence is a major reason why jellyfish populations have exploded. In addition, chronic overfishing can also lead to jellyfish taking over entire ocean regions, and China accounts for 35 percent of the global seafood market.

Seems like a problem affecting all warships and commercial shipping in East Asia.

 

[indiatester]

Seems like a problem affecting all warships and commercial shipping in East Asia.

I guess the problem will exist everywhere there is over fishing. Report talks of power plants getting shut down in US too!

 

[J20!]

A pic and GIFs from the Liaoning's SCS excercises:

 

[J20!]

Literally a parade at sea after carried out after CV16's latest exercises in the SCS. Liaoning and 40+ submarines and surface combatants took part in a fleet review presided by President Xi

48 warships, 76 airplanes and over 10,000 officers & soldiers.

 

[Illusive]

Thats overkill for a carrier escort fleet.:biggrin2:

 

[J20!]

Thats overkill for a carrier escort fleet.:biggrin2:

Hahaha! Yeah that would be a ridiculously large CVBG.

2 SSBN's
4 SSN's
6 SSK's
4 FFG's
8 Light frigates/corvettes
10 DDG's
2 LPD's
2 072A landing ships
A hospital ship
Tankers
Surveillance ships
A dry cargo vessel...

CCTV news piece on the fleet review:


Overkill would be an understatement if this was a CVBG and not a fleet review. I cant say its 100% accurate, but this checks out against the pics and video available of the event thus far:

 

[indiatester]

Holy molly. Cao Cao would have been proud

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

If that's all PLAN can throw at a combined USN ROKN and JMSDF fleet it's in deep trouble..

Having said that nice pics of the flotilla.

 

[Armand2REP]

If that's all PLAN can throw at a combined USN ROKN and JMSDF fleet it's in deep trouble..

Having said that nice pics of the flotilla.

It is literally as if Xi asked his admirals. how many ships can we pull out of dock for a camera op... this many. Do two laps and go back to sleep.

 

[nimo_cn]

well done, good show, comrade!