LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[porky_kicker]

Doubling range to 200 km, @porky_kicker @Chinmoy is this for Astra Mark2?

Also, the present Banshee target drone is only 3g capable & is completely subsonic, while Abhyas is 2g & reached Mach 0.5 (Lakhsya-2 reach Mach 0.7)... unlike older Ulka target drone that could do Mach 1.5!
Are tests against these enough? Can these carry out basic evasive maneuvers that a 8-9g fighter jet would?!..

Astra mk1 solid rocket motor 100-120 km

Astra mk2 dual pulse motor 200-220 km

Astra mk3 solid fuel ducted Ramjet 300+ km

 

[IndianHawk]

It is the best OTS solution but it is not developing India's indigenous engine development. It is making them reliant on the US which is the worst one to be dependent on.

We'll there is no guarantee of tech transfer with eurojet either. Unless something concrete comes up this is the deal .

 

[Bleh]

Also f414 has batter future as it will be in service with India ( mwf / amca / tedbf) , Korea (kfx ) , and all gripen customers along with US navy for a long time.

If we ultimately have to go for EJ230 then it will have a equally good future too, upto 500 pieces... plus their Typhoons.

 

[IndianHawk]

If we ultimately have to go for EJ230 then it will have a equally good future too, upto 500 pieces... plus their Typhoons.

It can't match scale of f414. And that means with limited numbers it will be much more costly to develop. Remember ej200 lost to f414 based on costs.

 

[Armand2REP]

We'll there is no guarantee of tech transfer with eurojet either. Unless something concrete comes up this is the deal .

Safran already offered the best deal for ToT but the deal was turned down. They were never serious about developing an indigenous engine which is why they put a stop to Kaveri. They always intended to use F414 which is undermining India's sovereignty.

 

[IndianHawk]

Safran already offered the best deal for ToT but the deal was turned down. They were never serious about developing an indigenous engine which is why they put a stop to Kaveri. They always intended to use F414 which is undermining India's sovereignty.

No safran promised to put 1 billion USD of offset into Kaveri but then said only 250 million can be invested .

On top of that safran tried to sell m88 core-- Kaveri rather than improving Indian core which would just make India dependent on France rather than USA that too at huge costs.

 

[Armand2REP]

No safran promised to put 1 billion USD of offset into Kaveri but then said only 250 million can be invested .

On top of that safran tried to sell m88 core-- Kaveri rather than improving Indian core which would just make India dependent on France rather than USA that too at huge costs.

Safran doesn't set what is accepted as offsets, that is GoI which rejected their offer.

On top of that, Safran is not allowed to sell M88 core. It is a strategic technology that no company of any country is allowed to sell.

 

[IndianHawk]

Safran doesn't set what is accepted as offsets, that is GoI which rejected their offer.

On top of that, Safran is not allowed to sell M88 core. It is a strategic technology that no company of any country is allowed to sell.

There are enough reports on this Google is your friend.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

There is no hope with any assholes west here.
I can't say same about France but pressure can quickly build on them.
Just to say USA turns against any country faster than even blinking own eye in world stage.
All are seeing FATF goodies for Pakistan, well USA can also take that goodies back any time but for pakistanis that too is good.
India must launch it's own version of FATF along with Israel or solo.
We are suffering they west are not suffering.
I am sceptical of any American engine.
Better to go with French(even here French have said take "our" core) or alone.
Otherwise be ready to become junior partner like UK for usa.HAL,ADA and other agency,I don't know what they thought when they zeroed down on American engine?
Just like HSL zeroed down on turkey bastards Look like DEFENSE psus must also create a division of STRATEGIC POLICY because definitely they are lacking it.
Politicians and diplomats must have fallen for American sweet talk.
This is pathetic.

 

[Bleh]

Back on topic... HAL's trainer-jig is ready, don't know how many though. For now it's to produce 18(8+10) standardised 2seater LCA trainers.


FOC version of both these two comes with a mid-air refueling probe.

 

[IndianHawk]

Wikipedia says we have 40 mig21 trainers then why only 18 LCA trainers are ordered??

We should immediately order 22 more trainers at FOC configuration!!

 

[Bleh]

Wikipedia says we have 40 mig21 trainers then why only 18 LCA trainers are ordered??

We should immediately order 22 more trainers at FOC configuration!!

3 per squadron.........................

 

[IndianHawk]

Now this is very interesting .

Credit to deleep on BRF

Radome design is 'black art'. We had done some work on one for a satcom terminal, which did not have beam direction criticality, and that itself was terrible. We are currently proposing one for an airborne weather radar, which is orders of magnitude tougher.

It spins my head thinking about the needs of the fighter radar. You need to give it to the Cobham guys. The performance they gave for the Mk1 was phenomenal. Till RBE2 shows up, the Mk1 radar is the best we have. Bars may have the range, but Mk1 have the clarity. To give a simile, Bars will be like a 20X digital zoom, while Mk1 will be like 10X optical zoom.

 

[Bleh]

Viggen has cranked-delta wings somewhat similar, but flat & placed low like Mirage-2000.

LCA Tejas wing on the other hand are much more complex with 3 dimensional curves.

Checks and procedures are minimal, and one could get off the blocks in as less as couple of minutes.

Ok, so it can fit into the role of interceptor in place of Mig-21.

What equipment or kit would you like to see added to Tejas? “Smaller smart precision munitions for air-to-surface work, to be carried in greater numbers.”

Yup. Brahmos-NG & Spice-2000 won't do any good in CAS role, for which Tejas has only large dumb bombs. I have never seen it even with air-to-ground unguided rocket pod or cluster bombs.

Being of smaller payload, Tejas could use high accuracy & hit probability... Something like a guided version of the FAB-250 or glided version of NAG (like SAAW) for individual minor targets.

Inner pylons of Tejas can carry 8-12 of these in tandem by replacing these 450 kg bombs with 3×100kg ones.

@porky_kicker @Chinmoy
What are the Su-30 dropping here? Are these unguided?

 

[Chinmoy]

Wikipedia says we have 40 mig21 trainers then why only 18 LCA trainers are ordered??

We should immediately order 22 more trainers at FOC configuration!!

We had 1000+ Mig-21.

What are the numbers of Tejas we are talking?

 

[fire starter]

We had 1000+ Mig-21.

What are the numbers of Tejas we are talking?

and how many of them we crashed.:biggrin2:

 

[vishnugupt]

it's been almost 5 months since we have seen Tejas Foc which was almost ready but yet to fly. What ever these screwdrivers are doing or saying doesn't make sense for this delay. Software update is just an excuse. We actually need to sell all these manufacturing PSU and invite private company for bidding.

 

[Chinmoy]

Viggen has cranked-delta wings somewhat similar, but flat & placed low like Mirage-2000.

LCA Tejas wing on the other hand are much more complex with 3 dimensional curves.

Ok, so it can fit into the role of interceptor in place of Mig-21.Yup. Brahmos-NG & Spice-2000 won't do any good in CAS role, for which Tejas has only large dumb bombs. I have never seen it even with air-to-ground unguided rocket pod or cluster bombs.

Being of smaller payload, Tejas could use high accuracy & hit probability... Something like a guided version of the FAB-250 or glided version of NAG (like SAAW) for individual minor targets.View attachment 41999 Inner pylons of Tejas can carry 8-12 of these in tandem by replacing these 450 kg bombs with 3×100kg ones.

@porky_kicker @Chinmoy
What are the Su-30 dropping here? Are these unguided?

Please provide the link....

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[Bleh]

Please provide the link....

The link for what exact you're asking for?

The bombs I found out, were BetAB ShP Anti-Runway Bomb, a parachute retarded, rocket powered bomb that nosedives vertically into a runway, penetrating it and then exploding with a delayed fuse.

 

[Chinmoy]

The link for what exact you're asking for?

The bombs I found out, were BetAB ShP Anti-Runway Bomb, a parachute retarded, rocket powered bomb that nosedives vertically into a runway, penetrating it and then exploding with a delayed fuse.

The youtube video link which you embedded. If you are talking of whether BetAB ShP is guided or unguided, then its unguided.