Know Your 'Rafale'

[BON PLAN]

where the heck does that even came from?, what exact T/R modules we are talking about?

The prototyp of active RBE2, called RBE2-AA (AA for "Antenne Active"), studied, built and tested from 1999 to 2009 under the EU R&D effort "AMSAR" and then the french R&D effort "DRAAMA" used US sourced T/R modules. No EU capacity at those time.

This radar shown a 50% improved range over PESA (and it's why UAE needed in 2010 a higher output from 9.6 to 14kw to have a 10/15% range improvement to be on par with F16-60 radar)

The serial radar, called RBE2 AESA, is european made T/R equipped, and show a 100% range improvement in the same condition over PESA RBE2.

 

[BON PLAN]

The standard F3R is realized.

http://www.defens-aero.com/2018/05/dassault-aviation-standard-f3-r-entree-forces.html

"l'ensemble des travaux effectués par les industriels engagés dans cette nouvelle version du Rafale ont été menés à bien et sont validés en cette fin du mois de mai 2018" = "all the work done by the companies involved in this new version of the Rafale have been completed and are validated by the end of May 2018"

 

[WolfPack86]

The standard F3R is realized.

http://www.defens-aero.com/2018/05/dassault-aviation-standard-f3-r-entree-forces.html

"l'ensemble des travaux effectués par les industriels engagés dans cette nouvelle version du Rafale ont été menés à bien et sont validés en cette fin du mois de mai 2018" = "all the work done by the companies involved in this new version of the Rafale have been completed and are validated by the end of May 2018"

When will India will get first Rafale fighter batch?.

 

[sthf]

French tycoon Serge Dassault dead at 93

PARIS: One of France's richest men,

Serge Dassault
, has died in his office after suffering a suspected heart attack, his family announced on Monday. He was 93.


Dassault, head of aviation, media and software giant

Dassault Group
, was a titan of the French business world who served as a right-wing senator and a scandal-plagued mayor of a town south of

Paris
.


France's third wealthiest person - with a net worth estimated by Forbes magazine of $14.8 billion (12.7 billion euros) - died in his office on the Champs-Elysees on Monday afternoon, his family said.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...lt-dead-at-93-family/articleshow/64359897.cms

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At 93, man lived a full life. Let's hope DA keeps on going strong.

 

[Armand2REP]

At 93, man lived a full life. Let's hope DA keeps on going strong.

He has been out of the operations since 2000. Charles Edelstenne took over for him and Eric Trappier will take over when he is gone. Between aviation, media and software the Dassault Group is quiet healthy, not to mention its stake in Thales.

 

[BON PLAN]

When will India will get first Rafale fighter batch?.

It is inked september 2019.
I think it would be a wonderfull idea from Dassault to give the first some months before...

 

[Sancho]

No, the Rafale is not perfect.
It does all mission very well, when some does only one mission quite perfectly and all the others moderatly.

You just have to read swiss eval to understand that Rafale is superior in nearly all fields. And with the PESA radar... Since Rafale evolved more than EF, so the gap is even bigger.

Which is BS again, since it was evaluated with AESA and when the EF P3E was just projected back tten. Now things will change and the Swiss will evaluate the P3E that is about to start delivery soon, with a projected Rafale F4 that is expected only around 2025. And why will the F4 be offered, because the F3R is not that far ahead anymore as it was in the last evaluation, or in the MMRCA. Not to mention that new contenders are in the field anyway.

 

[Sancho]

Rafale fighter deal on CAG radar, GSTN too

The figure of Rs 525 crore or approximately Euro 79 million per Rafale aircraft which Opposition parties were citing, government sources had said, was based on the manufacturer’s 2007 bid at the then exchange rate (I Euro = Rs 66.60)...

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...s-bjp-5205788/lite/?__twitter_impression=true

If the CAG report confirms that, we finally have a comparable price for the flyaway cost.

 

[BON PLAN]

Which is BS again, since it was evaluated with AESA and when the EF P3E was just projected back tten. Now things will change and the Swiss will evaluate the P3E that is about to start delivery soon, with a projected Rafale F4 that is expected only around 2025. And why will the F4 be offered, because the F3R is not that far ahead anymore as it was in the last evaluation, or in the MMRCA. Not to mention that new contenders are in the field anyway.

BS again my dear Sancho.

In the swiss eval, Rafale was flight tested and evaluated with PESA.
But Dassault and Thales brought an AESA to show what will be the (very soon) futur.

P3E is not fully developped. Some retards are already official. Waiting the others....

F3R is then, and more advanced than P3E. As the next eval will show.

 

[Sancho]

In the swiss eval, Rafale was flight tested and evaluated with PESA.
But Dassault and Thales brought an AESA to show what will be the (very soon) futur

Lol you even confirm that you just talk nonsense, because the Rafale offered to the Swiss, just as to Brazil and India back then, was with AESA radar and not with PESA. In fact no costomer wanted the PESA anyway, because it was underperformIng so much, even compared to pulse doppler radars. Just as the RBE 2 AESA underperformed compared to the APG 80 in the UAE too.

P3E is not fully developped

Just as the F3R, since both are planned for delivery only by the end of this year or early next year. :biggrin2:

 

[BON PLAN]

Lol you even confirm that you just talk nonsense, because the Rafale offered to the Swiss, just as to Brazil and India back then, was with AESA radar and not with PESA. In fact no costomer wanted the PESA anyway, because it was underperformIng so much, even compared to pulse doppler radars. Just as the RBE 2 AESA underperformed compared to the APG 80 in the UAE too.

Is your english so bad?
Offered is different than evaluated. Rafale was tested with the sole radar available at the moment, PESA, and offered (and tested in the form of a prototyp, with US T/R modules) with AESA.

And we have already discussed of APG80 vs RBE2 AA (antenne active) which is the RBE2 prototyp with US modules.
RPE2AESA, which is the production radar, has twice the range of PESA, and nearly 25% more range than AA

 

[BON PLAN]

Just as the F3R, since both are planned for delivery only by the end of this year or early next year. :biggrin2:

see that :
https://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/know-your-rafale.32861/page-698#post-1431682

"l'ensemble des travaux effectués par les industriels engagés dans cette nouvelle version du Rafale ont été menés à bien et sont validés en cette fin du mois de mai 2018" = "all the work done by the companies involved in this new version of the Rafale have been completed and are validated by the end of May 2018"

Rafale F3R work = done.
EF P3E = end of this year, but more probably later, as usual.

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafale fighter aircraft jet missiles.

 

[WolfPack86]

RAFALE DELIVERY WILL COMMENCE IN SEPTEMBER 2019
by Pradip R Sagar

In April, the Indian Air Force carried out the largest war games in the last three decades by bringing together more than 1,100 aircraft. The exercise, named Gagan Shakti, was used to test the IAF’s combat readiness for a short and intense war. It boosted the confidence of the Air Force, especially with regard to fighting a two-front war. At the biannual meeting of top IAF commanders held on May 31, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman praised the force for carrying out such a major exercise without any glitches. She said the focus of the exercise was to draw lessons for evolving the doctrinal loop of the IAF.

If all the inductions take place as planned, the IAF is expected to achieve its authorised strength of fighter squadrons by the end of the 15th Plan (2032).

The man who was in charge of the exercise was Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa. In an exclusive interview with THE WEEK, he said the exercise demonstrated the IAF’s capability to achieve and sustain a very high serviceability of aircraft and systems. Dhanoa, however, expressed concern about the depleting combat strength of the IAF, and said the force would reach its desired strength only by 2032. At present, the IAF has 31 fighter squadrons, but it needs at least 42 to fight a two-front war. In comparison, Pakistan has 25 combat squadrons, while China has 60.

Dhanoa defended the Rafale deal by saying that there was “no overpricing” and that the government negotiated a very good deal. He said the delivery of the Rafale jets was progressing as planned and they were expected to be inducted into the IAF between 2019 and 2022.

Excerpts:

How was the IAF’s experience with Gagan Shakti?
It was one of the largest exercises conducted by the IAF, considering the scale of asset utilisation and manpower participation. The IAF has achieved more than its laid-down objectives for the exercise. The aim was to test our real time coordination, deployment and employment of air power in a short and intense battle scenario. The logistic stamina, operational logistics, supply chain management, op readiness and prolonged sustenance of high tempo operations were put to test.
What are the lessons learnt from the exercise?

The IAF demonstrated its capability to achieve and sustain a very high serviceability of aircraft and systems. During the exercise, the IAF carried out missions across all spectrum of flying operations. We carried out the exercise in close coordination with the Army and the Navy. The capability to conduct special operations by transport and helicopter fleets like large-scale para drop, inter-valley troop transfer, and the utilisation of advanced landing grounds were practised towards the delivery of combat power, in the shortest possible time. The IAF also demonstrated the enhanced reach of combat platforms in the maritime domain, while operating from bases in southern India. We have learnt valuable lessons in these spheres and there have been many takeaways from this exercise that will be incorporated on priority.

Has the report of the umpires nominated to judge the exercise been finalised?

Critical analysis of the exercise is underway to highlight the areas of concern and to suggest measures to improve our combat potential. The improvement of operational efficiency is an ongoing process. This exercise has brought out many important aspects of operations, which would help hone the combat potential of the IAF further.

How do you react to the dwindling combat squadrons of the IAF?
The IAF is the guardian of the Indian skies. We are ready 24x7 to respond to any hostile situation, with our available resources. As far as the drawdown in the strength of the fighter squadrons is concerned, it is being given due emphasis. We are upgrading MiG-29, Jaguar and Mirage-2000 aircraft in a phased manner, as part of obsolescence management. The induction of 36 Rafale aircraft will commence by September 2019, and will significantly enhance our operational capability. The induction of the remaining Su-30 MKI aircraft [of the total 272] from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will be completed by 2020. The induction of the 40 indigenous light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas is also ongoing. Additionally, the RFP (Request for Proposal) for the procurement of 83 LCA Mk1A was issued last December.

When is the IAF expected to achieve its required combat strength?

The next step would be the design and development of the LCA Mk2 which has been renamed as medium weight fighter (MWF). Further, RFI (Request for Information) for 110 new fighters has been issued on April 6, 2018. If all the inductions take place as planned, the IAF is expected to achieve its authorised strength of fighter squadrons by the end of the 15th Plan (2032).

Do you expect timely delivery of the Rafale jets?

All activities related to the induction of the 36 Rafale aircraft are progressing as planned. The delivery will commence in September 2019, and will be complete by April 2022.

Is the IAF prepared for a two-front war?

The IAF is capable of meeting every challenge that our country is likely to face.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/06/rafale-delivery-will-commence-in.html

 

[binayak95]

RAFALE DELIVERY WILL COMMENCE IN SEPTEMBER 2019
by Pradip R Sagar

In April, the Indian Air Force carried out the largest war games in the last three decades by bringing together more than 1,100 aircraft. The exercise, named Gagan Shakti, was used to test the IAF’s combat readiness for a short and intense war. It boosted the confidence of the Air Force, especially with regard to fighting a two-front war. At the biannual meeting of top IAF commanders held on May 31, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman praised the force for carrying out such a major exercise without any glitches. She said the focus of the exercise was to draw lessons for evolving the doctrinal loop of the IAF.

If all the inductions take place as planned, the IAF is expected to achieve its authorised strength of fighter squadrons by the end of the 15th Plan (2032).

The man who was in charge of the exercise was Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa. In an exclusive interview with THE WEEK, he said the exercise demonstrated the IAF’s capability to achieve and sustain a very high serviceability of aircraft and systems. Dhanoa, however, expressed concern about the depleting combat strength of the IAF, and said the force would reach its desired strength only by 2032. At present, the IAF has 31 fighter squadrons, but it needs at least 42 to fight a two-front war. In comparison, Pakistan has 25 combat squadrons, while China has 60.

Dhanoa defended the Rafale deal by saying that there was “no overpricing” and that the government negotiated a very good deal. He said the delivery of the Rafale jets was progressing as planned and they were expected to be inducted into the IAF between 2019 and 2022.

Excerpts:

How was the IAF’s experience with Gagan Shakti?
It was one of the largest exercises conducted by the IAF, considering the scale of asset utilisation and manpower participation. The IAF has achieved more than its laid-down objectives for the exercise. The aim was to test our real time coordination, deployment and employment of air power in a short and intense battle scenario. The logistic stamina, operational logistics, supply chain management, op readiness and prolonged sustenance of high tempo operations were put to test.
What are the lessons learnt from the exercise?

The IAF demonstrated its capability to achieve and sustain a very high serviceability of aircraft and systems. During the exercise, the IAF carried out missions across all spectrum of flying operations. We carried out the exercise in close coordination with the Army and the Navy. The capability to conduct special operations by transport and helicopter fleets like large-scale para drop, inter-valley troop transfer, and the utilisation of advanced landing grounds were practised towards the delivery of combat power, in the shortest possible time. The IAF also demonstrated the enhanced reach of combat platforms in the maritime domain, while operating from bases in southern India. We have learnt valuable lessons in these spheres and there have been many takeaways from this exercise that will be incorporated on priority.

Has the report of the umpires nominated to judge the exercise been finalised?

Critical analysis of the exercise is underway to highlight the areas of concern and to suggest measures to improve our combat potential. The improvement of operational efficiency is an ongoing process. This exercise has brought out many important aspects of operations, which would help hone the combat potential of the IAF further.

How do you react to the dwindling combat squadrons of the IAF?
The IAF is the guardian of the Indian skies. We are ready 24x7 to respond to any hostile situation, with our available resources. As far as the drawdown in the strength of the fighter squadrons is concerned, it is being given due emphasis. We are upgrading MiG-29, Jaguar and Mirage-2000 aircraft in a phased manner, as part of obsolescence management. The induction of 36 Rafale aircraft will commence by September 2019, and will significantly enhance our operational capability. The induction of the remaining Su-30 MKI aircraft [of the total 272] from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will be completed by 2020. The induction of the 40 indigenous light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas is also ongoing. Additionally, the RFP (Request for Proposal) for the procurement of 83 LCA Mk1A was issued last December.

When is the IAF expected to achieve its required combat strength?

The next step would be the design and development of the LCA Mk2 which has been renamed as medium weight fighter (MWF). Further, RFI (Request for Information) for 110 new fighters has been issued on April 6, 2018. If all the inductions take place as planned, the IAF is expected to achieve its authorised strength of fighter squadrons by the end of the 15th Plan (2032).

Do you expect timely delivery of the Rafale jets?

All activities related to the induction of the 36 Rafale aircraft are progressing as planned. The delivery will commence in September 2019, and will be complete by April 2022.

Is the IAF prepared for a two-front war?

The IAF is capable of meeting every challenge that our country is likely to face.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/06/rafale-delivery-will-commence-in.html

Bhai article toh acha, but itne bade bade aur bold font naa do. hurts my eyes! XD

 

[jouy31]

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/qatar-picks-sniper-pod-for-rafale-fleet-449359/

Qatar's future fleet of Dassault Rafale fighters will be equipped with Lockheed Martin Sniper targeting pods, the US company has announced.

"Pod deliveries to the Qatar Emiri Air Force will begin in 2019," says Lockheed. "Integration efforts are ongoing, with flight tests currently in progress."

Doha late last year announced its intention to bolster an order for 24 Rafales by adding a further 12 examples. Dassault has previously said deliveries will commence before the end of 2018.

 

[Sancho]

see that :
https://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/know-your-rafale.32861/page-698#post-1431682

"l'ensemble des travaux effectués par les industriels engagés dans cette nouvelle version du Rafale ont été menés à bien et sont validés en cette fin du mois de mai 2018" = "all the work done by the companies involved in this new version of the Rafale have been completed and are validated by the end of May 2018"

Rafale F3R work = done.
EF P3E = end of this year, but more probably later, as usual.

And still both will start delivery only by the end of this and next year, so neither a capability, nor a time advantage for the Rafale there.

 

[Sancho]

Rafale refueling from A400 MRTT

 

[WolfPack86]

If Reliance goes bankrupt then tell good bye to Rafale fighter jet. Recently Reliance ship yard lost contract to build four LHD due to financial in stability. Now latest news is that fight going on between Reliance ship yard and Larsen turbo ltd. Now favourism charge levelled against top Indian Navy officer by Reliance ship yard.

 

[mayfair]

Quite rich of Reliance accusing others of favouritism.