Indian Ballistic Missile Defense System

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  1. learn from failures

    learn from failures Regular Member

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    But I have seen them discussing on pdf that Ababeel is their ultimate counter to S400 and our homemade AAD/PAD air defense system. Don't you think that when they can make MIRV capable missile then warheads will not be any issue? Similarly I never heard Agni series being MIRV capable. If this is true then I am really happy....
     
  2. Aaj ka hero

    Aaj ka hero Shaktimaan generation HERO Senior Member

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    Man then also tell them HERE SCIENTISTS ARE Discussing......No Building weapons such that to destroy their rockets the MOMENT THEY ARE LAUNCHED,if you want an example then it is ASAT, I know NOT THAT MOMENT weapon but in that direction only.
    Also pakistan is NAKED NOW after S-400 will be more naked.
    The only jihadis can do is MAKE IRAN their ally and tell them to take some of their Chinese missiles in return for some basing of their missiles on iranian territory.
    Really we must start giving weapons to TAIWAN, by giving them their own agni-3,this will be good.
     
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  3. Chinmoy

    Chinmoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    Pakistan made missile??? Now that's a news for me.

    Leave alone MIRV warhead as of now.
     
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  4. Indx TechStyle

    Indx TechStyle War Mongerer Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Anyone can fart from brain. BTW, its PDV what's designed for missiles with high trajectory.
     
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  5. no smoking

    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    1. Considering the potential number of warheads both India and Pakistan will have in next 20 years, nothing could be better for your enemy than you putting multiple warheads on one missile. You just narrow down their target list. So, both countries won't choose MIRV under the current situation.

    2. Both countries only need short-long range missiles (<2000) to attack the main cities of each other, these missile with conventional warhead are lot cheaper than the cost of nuclear RV which is small enough to fit in as MIRV.
     
  6. Imaxxx

    Imaxxx "Shaktimev Jayate" - Strength Alone Triumphs

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    What number is that potential number?

    #pkmkb #destroypakistan
     
  7. south block

    south block up your a**

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    S 400 is not a proper BMD system but it does have a capability to shoot down SRBM & some reports suggest that an iskander was shot down in front of IAF evaluation team in Russia.
     
  8. no smoking

    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    S-400 has proved that it can handle short - medium range missiles which are the most possible types of missiles targeting India. Except UK and Frances, all other nuclear powers don't need missiles >3000 KM for India.
     
  9. Indx TechStyle

    Indx TechStyle War Mongerer Veteran Member Senior Member

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    No, it hasn't.
    US & Russia*.............
     
  10. no smoking

    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    Chinese has successfully done the user trial of intercepting a missile flying at around 10M.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ence-system/articleshow/67267551.cms?from=mdr

    USA has plenty of military bases in Middle East and India Ocean from which their nuclear submarines/bombers can strike India just outside the door.

    Russia, from her south east corner on the land - Dokuzparinsky District, the distance to New Delhi is 2999.14km. If they strike from the sea (Caspian Sea) or their miliary bases in central Asia, the range will be shorten further.
     
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  11. Prashant12

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    India’s ballistic missile shield ready, IAF & DRDO to seek govt nod to protect Delhi


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    A file photo of Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Interceptor missile being launched by DRDO in A-SAT missile test in Odisha last year | PTI
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    New Delhi: India’s indigenous Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) programme is complete, and the Indian Air Force (IAF) and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) are now working on a proposal to seek the government’s nod to install the missile shield for the national capital, ThePrint has learnt.

    The BMD, along with the Russian S-400 Triumf air defence system, aims to secure the country from all kinds of incoming missiles, including nuclear, and flying objects.

    “The BMD programme has been completed. All tests carried so far have been successful, including the radars and missiles. The IAF, which is responsible for the country’s air defence, and the DRDO, which has developed the system, will now move a joint proposal for the government’s clearance,” a top government official told ThePrint.

    The official, however, didn’t reveal much about other details of the programme.

    The successful test of the anti-satellite (A-SAT) missile last March was a big boost to the BMD programme. India’s leap in space with the A-SAT test is especially significant because inter-continental ballistic missiles like China’s Dongfeng series travel through space before re-entering Earth’s atmosphere to hit the target.

    Also read: A-SAT success revs up India’s ballistic missile defence programme

    ‘BMD is for Delhi’
    Asked whether the Ministry of Defence would be the nodal authority for approving the installation of the missile shield, a government source said the matter comes directly under the Prime Minister’s Office.

    Once the permission is granted, the source added, it will take three to four years to put the shield in place because production of the required systems would take time.

    Asked if the shield is not meant for Mumbai, the country’s financial capital, the top government official quoted above said, “BMD is for Delhi. It is up to the government to decide which other cities will get it.”

    The official added that the BMD programme was envisaged for the national capital only.

    What this BMD programme is all about
    India’s BMD programme was launched in 1999 after Pakistan’s maiden nuclear test in 1998 and China’s leaps in this sphere.

    The BMD works on two levels — endo-atmospheric (within Earth’s atmosphere) and exo-atmospheric (the space stretching beyond Earth’s atmosphere).

    While phase one deals with destroying incoming missiles at endo-atmospheric level, phase two works on the same at exo-atmospheric level.

    India’s BMD arsenal consists of a Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) missile to intercept incoming missiles at a range of about 80 km in altitude and an Advanced Air Defence (AAD) missile for altitudes of 15-25 km.

    Pakistan had last year claimed that it has the capabilities to counter the BMD.

    Asked about this, another government source said the BMD is a state-of-the-art defence system with very unique features.

    https://theprint.in/defence/indias-...rdo-to-seek-govt-nod-to-protect-delhi/345853/
     
  12. Hari Sud

    Hari Sud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Take the Print opinions with a grain of salt. They are leftist Luytentites. Let another source verify the claims.

    There are three systems under development to protect Delhi namely the local built BMD, the S-400 and an American theatrical missile defence (not Patriot). All the three together could stop 80 to 90% flying objects to Delhi including high accuracy bombs released from a distance. The favourable point for missile defence is that the Chinese and North Korean missiles are highly inaccurate. These may be easy to shoot down, although Pakistan is claiming stealth character in their missiles which is not true.

    Moreover swarming a defensive network is still a problem.
     
  13. Akula

    Akula Regular Member

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    That American system is NASAMS-2. It is a $1 billion dollars deal. IMO to make US happy after S400 deal.
     
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    NASAMS missile deal was just a newspaper story. Not at all confirmed.Earlier it was patriot PAC 3(during UPA regime) and then it was NASAMS.
     
  15. Hari Sud

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    Patriot 3 was offered but not considered as it is far inferior to S-400.
     
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  16. no smoking

    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    Even USA doesn't dare to claim that when they have whole ocean to provide warning time.

    The most important key point of a missile defence system is its own capability of detecting and tracking incoming missiles, which the India system is facing the worst situation: both her adversaries are too damn close.

    The second point is: inaccuracy of incoming missiles doesn't make your work easier, if not harder.

    Instead, how to defend this defensive network is still a big headache for any country, especially for missile defense system which is so much relying on early warning radar.
     
  17. Hari Sud

    Hari Sud Senior Member Senior Member

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    Are you not behaving like a critic of work well done in India?

    Yes, the enemy has to know that you have a well designed defensive network. That takes most of the steam out of his offensive capability.
     
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    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    No, I am criticizing the work done by Indian scientists. I am laughing at the brainless words from Indian fanboys who are actually humiliating these scientists's brilliant work.
     
  19. Hari Sud

    Hari Sud Senior Member Senior Member

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    None of your business. Criticize your country, the flag you display.
     
  20. cyclops

    cyclops Senior Member Senior Member

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    They don't claim that because they have an extremely large area to monitor, with multiple adversaries spread out unevenly across the world (India doesn't have this problem -- with the exception of China's 2nd strike capability) making tracking and detection a herculean task.
    They are also using completely different parameters to test their ABMs against targets. Targets, that'll obviously take advantage of the fact that the US BMDS has a large area to cover.

    BTW, Americans chant similar percentages with respect to THAAD, 100%, 90%, etc.

    The "closeness" of India's adversaries (China & pakistan) isn't necessarily the Indian system "facing the worst situation".
    Closeness of India's adversaries might make the reaction time of our ABMs shorter (which has already been emulated in our ABM tests) but it doesn't make early detection especially harder.
    Placing Early warning radars close to the border and/or high altitudes itself gives a significant boost to early detection of BMs.

    Case in point, the placement of THAAD batteries in South-Korea. Its radar units are so powerful that it can indeed detect BMs very early on and it was possible only because it was placed in S-Korea close to NoKo. However, the Aegis radar on the guided missile destroyers that were far off in the sea were having trouble detecting NoKo missiles.

    Also, the reason why China flipped out when the US decided to put THAAD batteries in SoKo but had remained relatively sated even though DDGs had been scanning the area for quite some time now, i.e. because of heightened early detection capabilities due to the positioning of radars.
    Just an FYI, China hasn't protested the Japanese AN/TPY-2 radar which is exactly the same one deployed with the THAAD in SoKo.
    So it is safe to say it is the geography(closeness) that's lending the advantage and not the radar alone, & it will be same for India with its Greenpine radar &/or Swordfish radars which will be placed close to both china and pakistan.

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/923734.shtml

    https://carnegieendowment.org/files/Perception_Gap_in_the_THAAD_Dispute.pdf

    Now you can make an argument that India's detection network isn't perfect since it doesn't have a constellation of SBIRS like satellite detection system (yet) but you can't say we are worse off because of the "closeness".

    Not necessarily; because of the above reason.

    True.
    If a conflict ever does go to a total-war-like situation, BMD systems will indeed be a target, which is why you need a layered BMD (which is what India is pursuing) alongside a competent military.
     

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