India Plans to buy S-400

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    http://forceindia.net/decks-cleared-contract-signing-s-400-adms-december/
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    Decks Cleared For the Contract Signing of S-400 ADMS in December
    October 17, 2017 forceindia 0 Comment
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    India will purchase five regiments of Russian S-400 Triumf Air Defence Missile System (ADMS) valued at over six billion dollars. The contract is slated to be signed after two months in December in New Delhi as the Contract-Negotiation-Committee (CNC) comprising Russian and Indian officials, which has been working furtively since July, has wrapped up its work. The Union finance ministry has cleared the purchase and the file is with the Prime Minister’s Office.

    It will be a government-to-government purchase with no provision for transfer of technology. Russia has assured that the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) — Almay-Antey Air Defence Corporation — will deal directly with the user, the Indian Air Force, to ensure timely product support. At present, all product support including spares and overhaul is done through Rosoboronexport, which is the official Russian export agency for arms sales.

    Since India hopes for an early delivery of S-400, it has not considered Moscow’s offer of credit line for the purchase. Instead, cash will be given in tranches. The first, or perhaps two regiments, could be delivered by early 2020.

    Each S-400 regiment comprises two batteries with four launchers each; this makes a total of 40 launchers for five regiments. Interestingly, India has ordered a total of 1,200 missiles in the very long-range and long-range category, with none in the medium and short ranges category. There will be fewer very-long range category missiles as compared with the other category.

    S-400 can fire four different missiles: the very long-range 40N6 missile with a range of 400km; the long-range 48N6 missile with a range of 250km; the medium range 9M96E2 with 120km range; and the short-range 9M96E with 40km range. The 40N6 is ideal to kill enemy Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACA), while the 48N6 will be able to destroy all air objects including airplanes, helicopters, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles up to the speed of 4,800 meters per second. The ballistic missiles are killed 60km away from the target; this includes nuclear armed missiles which once destroyed will leave a thick nuclear haze over the target. The ideal ballistic missile for destruction could be Pakistan’s Nasr which has been touted as the answer to Indian Army’s Cold Start doctrine on the international border, and the sub-sonic Babur cruise missile.

    Five regiments of S-400 will protect two to three major Indian cities including the capital city of New Delhi. In terms of configuration, India would need two surveillance radars each with phased array and multipath radar with range of 600km across 180 degrees to track up to 100 targets simultaneously. Moreover, each regiment which comprises two batteries with eight launchers will require one sectoral radar to acquire hostile target and pass its coordinates to the sectoral command post. Each Tractor Erector Launcher (TEL) which houses the missiles can carry four 48N6 missiles or two 40N6 missiles.

    India and Russia had signed the Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) for the purchase of S-400 on 15 October 2016 on the side-lines of the BRICS summit in Goa where Prime Minister Narendra Modi had sought an early agreement on the missile system from President Vladimir Putin. The S-400 purchase had been cleared earlier by the Defence Acquisition Council in December 2015. On the occasion of the signing of the IGA, the head of Russian Roctec, Sergey Chemezov had said that he hoped that “the contract would be signed by the middle of 2017. I believe the delivery will begin somewhere in 2020.”

    There is a queue for purchase of S-400; while priority goes to the Russian armed forces — which have been inducting the system since 2008 —, China and Turkey have already paid for the purchase. China has sought just one regiment of S-400, perhaps to cover its Taiwan flank. Moreover, there are reports that Algeria too have paid for two regiments of S-400. According to Russian officials, Saudi King Salman, who was recently in Russia on the trip with deep geo-political significance, spoke with the Russian President for an early purchase of S-400.

    The purchase of S-400 ADMS — which is known as SA-21 Growler by its NATO name was previously called S-300 PMU-3 — by India has signalled two things. One, India, which has adopted strategic and operational defensive posture against both Pakistan and China needs to protect its metropolitan cities and other high value targets from hostile AWACS (which have the dual purpose of air defence and offensive air operations), ballistic and cruise missiles. China has plenty of these assets and given its inter-operability (ability to fight together for common mission) with Pakistan, has transferred a large number of these to its closest ally.

    That India is willing to purchase the S-400 by cash payment is testimony to the hope that Russia might place India ahead in its exports queue. Moreover, India, which was keen that Russia integrates indigenous Akash short-range anti-missile system with the S-400 has now decided to save time by first going ahead with the procurement. In the Russian armed forces, the S-400 has been integrated with the TOR system for short range target destruction. Russia was, therefore, keen that India buys its TOR system too; but this has not made much headway at this juncture.

    The second clear signal from India is this: the Defence Research and Development Organisation cannot be trusted with real things. In a detailed conversation with me, the then DRDO chief, Padmashri Dr V.K. Saraswat had said in March 2010, “I will have all needed systems for Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Phase-I (meant to hit medium-range ballistic missiles at ranges of 2,000km) including missiles, radars and all other elements required for strategic defence ready to protect New Delhi by 2013.” He had added that, “after that we will start work on Phase-II to cover ranges up to 5,000km.”

    The BMD missiles, according to him, would be able to hit and kill hostile ballistic missiles both outside (exo-atmospheric) and inside (endo-atmospheric) during its trajectory which re-enter the atmosphere after first entering space on its launch. The purchase of S-400 ADMS underscores that India has little faith in the indigenous BMD. Given this, it is time that technical audit be done on all DRDO strategic systems including the BMD, Agni series of missiles, and of its claimed anti-satellite capability to hit satellites in all orbits — low, polar and even geo-synchronous. Dr Saraswat had told me that unlike China which has repeatedly demonstrated its anti-satellite capability by killing of its own legacy satellite, “We will have no technical benefit by actual flying test of anti-satellite capability.” It should be remembered that unlike conventional war systems which are tested by the users before induction in their inventory, the strategic systems meant for nuclear weapons deliver are not tested. India has little option but to trust its DRDO on this crucial aspect.
     
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    You know Israel is hiding its fact from the world that its F-35I was shot down by S-200.
     
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    Sawhney pulling facts out of his arse when he rants

    First of all, BMD and S400 are two different systems- BMD is dedicated to defending against ballistic missiles, S400 is a multi-purpose system.

    Secondly, GoI has given the go ahead for BMD deployment starting from Delhi

    http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...le-system-for-indian-metros-soon-1581441.html

    The proof of this lies in this bit of information straight from DRDO's website

    https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/npc/2017/august/din-05August2017.pdf

    #Presstitutes are spineless, shameless and gutless.
     
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    Spineless Presstitutes spreading false rumour and filth. We should wait till the final confirmation. Also since XRSAM is getting shape by DRDO and BMD is quietly getting inducted into service with Phase 2 coming up these presstitutes are getting nervous.
     
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    Lots of incorrect reporting here. We are paying more for 5 regiments because the scale of each regiment in the Indian context is bigger. Each regiment in the Indian context could have between 2-4 battalions, each battalion with 4 fire units of 4 laucnhers each. Heck even the Chinese ordered 3 regiments for 3 billion, for them each regiment has 2 battalions and each battalion in their setup has 8 launchers and 112 missiles bringing their order total to 48 launchers and missile count to 672 . Even if we have the same set-up, we are looking at atleast 80 launchers and nearly 1200 missiles.

    Secondly, it is entirely incorrect to say that S-400 will be deployed to protect 2-3 cities. The S-400 is being acquired primarily to enforce no fly zones over virtually all of Puki air space and the eastern frontier. Around 3-4 regiments will be based in key areas facing the western and eastern frontier. They'll be kept in classfied undergound shelters and will move out to various pre desginated firing locations when needed. These top secret under ground shelters will never be more than 20-30 km away from the border. The idea is to have maximum coverage into threat zones. 1 Regiment with it's split battalions will certainly be kept near large airlift hubs from where they can be quickly airlifted to threat zones as when needed to bolster the area wide defence.
     
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    XRSAM will take atleast till end 2020 before all the various tests are done, plus the production ramp up and eventual deliveries can only begin around 2023 given all goes well with the program during the next 2 years of critical testing, meanwhile the 5 regiments of S-400 would have been delivered.
     
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    Which solid rocket motor is used in S-400? As per wiki missile speed is 5.9 Mach.
     
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    S-400 operates 5 different types of missiles.
    Which ones SRM do you mean? :)

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    400 km range missile and all other missiles too.
     
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    400km capable one is 40N6.
    It's top speed is 7km/s.

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    What king of solid rocket motors are they?
     
  12. Tanmay

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    In Syria, S 400 (or was it S-300?) was deployed along with Pantsir system. In Indian context will this mean more Akash systems or deployment in Akash equipped bases. Or for that matter QRSAM if it's developed quickly and mated along with ZSU guns :p to form desi Pantsir.

    Important to note is that with smaller hobbyist types UAVs coming around with extreme low flying and smaller sizes such cheaper point defence systems to protect more valuable Air defence facilities will be needed. A swarm of Chinese quadcopters / hobby planes with explosives can quickly get through and wreck havoc. Was seen in Syria too where the Pantsir shot down a few of them
     
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    The range of 40N6E is 450km
    Btw are we getting this missile in our package
     
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    India begins talks with Russia for Rs 39,000 cr Triumf missile shield deal



    NEW DELHI: India has now begun final contract negotiations with Russia for the Rs 39,000 crore (over $5.5 billion) acquisition of five advanced S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, which can detect, track and destroy hostile strategic bombers, stealth fighters, spy planes, missiles and drones at a range of up to 400 km and altitude of 30 km.
    India wants to conclude the major deal in the 2018-19 financial year, with the first S-400 surface-to-air (SAM) missile system, with its associated battle-management system of command post and launchers, acquisition and engagement radars, and all-terrain transporter-erector-launcher vehicles, slated for delivery two years after the contract is inked.

    "All the five S-400 systems, which can even take on medium-range ballistic missiles, apart from cruise missiles, will be delivered in 54 months. The force-multiplier will change the dynamics of air defence in the region," a defence ministry source said.

    India's final commercial negotiations with Russia after extensive field trials come at a time when China has already begun to get deliveries of six S-400 batteries - designated 'SA-21 Growler' by NATO - under a $3 billion deal inked in 2014.

    There were, however, reports that some auxiliary components of the S-400 systems being shipped to China from Russia were damaged in a storm last week. Russia, which has deployed the S-400 in Crimea for airspace protection along the Ukraine border, is also set to sell the air defence systems to Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

    India can deploy the highly-mobile S-400 system to protect a city during war, or even use it to neutralise Pakistan's short-range Nasr (Hatf-IX) nuclear missiles. Pakistan often recklessly brandishes its Nasr missiles as a battlefield counter to India's 'Cold Start' strategy of swift, high-intensity conventional attacks into enemy territory.
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    With long-range radars to track 100 to 300 targets simultaneously, the S-400 has different kinds of supersonic and hypersonic missiles to intercept incoming aerial threats at different ranges. The system's cost depends on the configuration a customer wants. India, for instance, is mainly going in for long-range (120-370-km) interception missiles.TOI was the first to report in October 2015 that the Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC) was finalising the game-changing acquisition of the S-400 systems to plug major operational gaps in airspace defence.

    After clearance from the DAC in December that year, the Modi-Putin summit in Goa in October 2016 led to inking of inter-governmental agreements for five S-400 systems, four Grigorivich-class frigates and 200 Kamov-226T light helicopters, while the two also sealed the lease of a second nuclear-powered submarine after INS Chakra, all together worth around $10.5 billion, as was then reported by TOI.

    When the S-400 contract is actually inked, it will be among the largest-ever deals with Russia. The other big deals include the ones for 272 Sukhoi-30MKI fighters (over $12 billion) and INS Vikramaditya ($2.33 billion for the aircraft carrier and another $2 billion for 45 MiG-29Ks to operate from its deck).

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-missile-shield-deal/articleshow/62596978.cms
     
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    What's the difference between the S-400 ordered by China from the S-400 that India is ordering?
     
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    The difference is China will have theirs in pieces trying to copy it while India's will be doing what it was built to do.
     
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    As per some reports Indian will only have 40N6 and 48N6 missiles. It will be integrated with over all AD to work in tandem with LRSAM and Akash-NG.
     
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    Do we need something on lines of Pantsir to complement S-400 as seen in Syria. Say the new QRSAM being tested mated with AK or Zu. A highly mobile and networked system
     
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    So China will learn more about S-400 than India, including its weaknesses in the process of reverse engineering? That's not good...
     
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    Are you sure we are getting 40N6????
    The missiles India will get in package
    *The 48N6E3/48N6DM long range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 250 km (160 mi).Semi-active radar homing head.
    *The 9M96E2 extended range missile is capable of destroying airborne targets at ranges up to 120 km (75 mi). It has the highest hit probability against fast, maneuverable targets such as fighter aircraft. Active radar homing head.
    *The 9M96E medium range missile.[​IMG]
     

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