China's vulnerability in Malacca Strait

[Tolaha]

those things can be fool easily during war time. its only useful during peceaful time when ship transmit the location for trafficing purpose. its doesnt tell destination, and othe infos. also even those info can be fool/forged. the only way to stop a chinese ship passing through is board it and check it. which is impossible due to the amount of traffic. the sure way is seal the entire strait, which US will guranntee intervane. so basically there is no sure way to stop/know which oil tanker goto china vs a tanker goto japan

And it is for this reason that India needs to get in with Vietnam and start drilling South China sea. And then pray that China does what it has been barking all this time. That will be a sure shot at getting the Japan, Korea, SE Asian nations along with US into an alliance.

 

[s002wjh]

About 10 tankers pass everyday through the Malaccas. I don't see how we would not able to handle that.

IF it was not a major issue for the Chinese to get choked at the Malaccas, why the strong of pearls, why the pipeline from Myanmar?

not sure where you get 10 tankers pass there everyday. for starter, its not just china, but all the other countries in the region. also you basically has to loacte all the tanker, board it, check it to know where they going. on top of that tanker can go through other strait, cost a bit more, but safer. the important of malcca is not about tanker, but ALL ships in size/purpose go through there.

 

[arkem8]

not sure where you get 10 tankers pass there everyday. for starter, its not just china, but all the other countries in the region. also you basically has to loacte all the tanker, board it, check it to know where they going. on top of that tanker can go through other strait, cost a bit more, but safer. the important of malcca is not about tanker, but ALL ships in size/purpose go through there.

We did it 30 odd years ago with Pakistan when the Yanks supported with shipments out of South Vietnam. The Oil Tankers will be boarded, Bulk Cargo Freighters will be used for shore battery target practice.

Many thousand merchant marines are Indian all over the world if I am not mistaken, endless stream of Intel.

 

[J20!]

We did it 30 odd years ago with Pakistan when the Yanks supported with shipments out of South Vietnam. The Oil Tankers will be boarded, Bulk Cargo Freighters will be used for shore battery target practice.

Many thousand merchant marines are Indian all over the world if I am not mistaken, endless stream of Intel.

Most ships that carry cargo and oil through the Indian ocean to China, aren't Chinese. Are you going to board and sink Canadian, Saudi, American Euro cargo ships? The Americans are always barking about freedom of navigation, do you think they'd let INDIA block one of the world's busiest trade passages?

China's vulnerable to AMERICAN blockades in the Malacca straits because no one could stop them if it came to it. You blockaded a Pakistani port, could you blockade ANY Chinese port? Shanghai's maybe? Stop with the armchair general rubish...

 

[arkem8]

Most ships that carry cargo and oil through the Indian ocean to China, aren't Chinese. Are you going to board and sink Canadian, Saudi, American Euro cargo ships? The Americans are always barking about freedom of navigation, do you think they'd let INDIA block one of the world's busiest trade passages?

China's vulnerable to AMERICAN blockades in the Malacca straits because no one could stop them if it came to it. You blockaded a Pakistani port, could you blockade ANY Chinese port? Shanghai's maybe? Stop with the armchair general rubish...

No need of blackade anything!! IN will simply use Drone recon assets to asertain origin of crew majority on board,rest will be easy..

Believe me the Yanks would give an arm to see you Chinese suffer, the 08 nuke deal would not have happened otherwise- in 5-10 years time you will see the difference this one simple rule-change makes to our stockpiles.

No need to blockade Chinese Ports!! In case of full out WAR, We will use the airspace of third countries with limited airforce capabilities to launch c/m's at targets in your pearl river delta. Even a "rumor" of chemical agent poisoning (in south, sw, se China)will take your economy straight to the gutter.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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Jovian

I have seen it, Its Interesting but its a theory, though you don't understand the basics of a blockade in War times, you keep your imagination floating in that post but time to see the fact Indians did this before against US in 70s, And they will do it much better with US in Near Future against China, Best of luck to you with your happy life..


Cheers..

 

[panduranghari]

the only way to stop the transport is seal it off and stop any ship attempt to pass through the strait, and i can guranntee you that US won't allow that to happen. this is the same reason why US won't allow china to have south china sea. freedom of navigation is ong the most important thing for US. also you think other country will just ignore india take over of malacca. its not just affecting china but all the other countries as well. it won't be long before US intervane

What if the war against China is conducted by USA and India happens to be a vested interest who supports USA.

USA likes to fight wars away from home, so its possible that the war in the straits of Malacca is a war started by USA.

Its your misconception that if China collapses, the west also collapses. Just because you buy US government debt makes you no stronger than any other country. Do you think you can sell US government debt and get away with it?

If you sell US government debt, you will be officially at war with USA.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

What if the war against China is conducted by USA and India happens to be a vested interest who supports USA.

USA likes to fight wars away from home, so its possible that the war in the straits of Malacca is a war started by USA.

Its your misconception that if China collapses, the west also collapses. Just because you buy US government debt makes you no stronger than any other country. Do you think you can sell US government debt and get away with it?

If you sell US government debt, you will be officially at war with USA.

look at USA's pacific bases below. USA is well prepared

 

[Ray]

China has still a long way to go before they can challenge the USA.

And the way it is going by antagonising its neighbours, it is hardly in a position to do sausage to anyone.

To much of belligerency on the part of China will bring in the US in a big way to support the insurgencies in Tibet and East Trukmenistan and even Outer Mongolia and China will be up a gum tree.

If the US has been able to bring down one totalitarian regime and make it eat crow, then what prevents it to bring another one down.

They are already at it, but encouraging greed in China and when greed hits the ceiling, so does faeces hit the fan!

 

[s002wjh]

What if the war against China is conducted by USA and India happens to be a vested interest who supports USA.

USA likes to fight wars away from home, so its possible that the war in the straits of Malacca is a war started by USA.

Its your misconception that if China collapses, the west also collapses. Just because you buy US government debt makes you no stronger than any other country. Do you think you can sell US government debt and get away with it?

If you sell US government debt, you will be officially at war with USA.

NO selling debt is not indication of war. also there is no point to sell the debt, it will devalue chinese holding of debt. china have to keep loaning to US in order NOT no devalue their own US bond significantly.

there are only 2 potential place that can cause conflict between US and china. south china sea and taiwan, but chance for conflict between US and China is so small that i have better chance to win a multi-million $$$ lotery than a US-china war. people fell to notice that both US-chinese economy are intertwined. a war with china will not benefit US slightest, furthermore pretty much ALL US politician are buddys with CEO of different corporation. if china economy fall, is those corporation will hurt the most, not only do they lose 1.3Billion potential customer, hundreds millions exist customer, but most important is they lose all their investment in china. also china economy fall will hurt entire global economy. the current china-US situation is very different from cold war era where soviet economy never intertwined with US. the fact china-US trade is so important that will make US think twice about going war with china. Same with china, they have alot to lose if they invade south china sea or taiwan. so both US and China don't want a war with each other, if both party don't want a war, its pretty hard to have a conflict out of thin air.

the likely hood of US-china war is so small, poeple can consider non-existance, it won't happen,

 

[s002wjh]

No need of blackade anything!! IN will simply use Drone recon assets to asertain origin of crew majority on board,rest will be easy..

Believe me the Yanks would give an arm to see you Chinese suffer, the 08 nuke deal would not have happened otherwise- in 5-10 years time you will see the difference this one simple rule-change makes to our stockpiles.

No need to blockade Chinese Ports!! In case of full out WAR, We will use the airspace of third countries with limited airforce capabilities to launch c/m's at targets in your pearl river delta. Even a "rumor" of chemical agent poisoning (in south, sw, se China)will take your economy straight to the gutter.

it won't be that easy

for start. there are Alternative Route for tanker to travel to china.

2nd. other than physically board the ship, its almost impossible to ID, destination of the ships. note most tanker are NOT chinese ship but from opec or other countries. so unless you board teh ship check documents etc, Drone won't help, its just tell you its an ship. furthermore you have about 1000 ships in that area.

 

[Adux]

Long time Adux chetta 2008-09 Milphotos:cool2:

Doing good bud, did you have the same id over there?

 

[Adux]

it won't be that easy

for start. there are Alternative Route for tanker to travel to china.

2nd. other than physically board the ship, its almost impossible to ID, destination of the ships. note most tanker are NOT chinese ship but from opec or other countries. so unless you board teh ship check documents etc, Drone won't help, its just tell you its an ship. furthermore you have about 1000 ships in that area.

Today all Tankers and Ships are tagged, logged and GPS enabled. Its child's play to determine which tanker is going where! As simple as that. If a country like India declares war on a country like China, trust me when I say this, oil tankers wont pass the malacca and oil will shoot up. IOR is India's playground, challenged only by USN, in war if even PLAN ventures in the borders of IOR, you can consider it sunk.

 

[s002wjh]

Today all Tankers and Ships are tagged, logged and GPS enabled. Its child's play to determine which tanker is going where! As simple as that. If a country like India declares war on a country like China, trust me when I say this, oil tankers wont pass the malacca and oil will shoot up. IOR is India's playground, challenged only by USN, in war if even PLAN ventures in the borders of IOR, you can consider it sunk.

right you think china won't just modify the tag etc or better yet, how you gonna know if that ship is goto china or japan. the transponder on the ship is use for TRAFFIC/DISTRESS only. it can be easily forged/modified. furthermore the tag doesn't tell you the destination, the tanker today could goto japan, and next month could goto china. the tag is use for Civilian purpose only. the tag can also modified to send false information indicate its different ship etc etc. again without physically locate, board the ship its not possible to know the destination/info about the ship.

also ships transponder can be turn off, which mean you got search tanker in a large area with thousands other ships.

there are just too many way for a tanker to slip through. alternative route, fake transponder, turn off the transponder, mix in with thousands ships etc etc. selective blockage at malcca will not work, too many issues to work around. either you shut off the strait compeletly or bloackade chinese ports near in china. only US can acheive these.

 

[Adux]

Most ships that carry cargo and oil through the Indian ocean to China, aren't Chinese. Are you going to board and sink Canadian, Saudi, American Euro cargo ships? The Americans are always barking about freedom of navigation, do you think they'd let INDIA block one of the world's busiest trade passages?

China's vulnerable to AMERICAN blockades in the Malacca straits because no one could stop them if it came to it. You blockaded a Pakistani port, could you blockade ANY Chinese port? Shanghai's maybe? Stop with the armchair general rubish...

Chicom,


Most Ships that went to Pakistan was also not Chinese, most of them were even Americans, but an Indian blockade, is an Indian blockade in the IOR and Arabian Sea and Bay of Bengal. It is our playing field. What we say works. We are also helped by the fact, that there arent any serious Naval competitors other than the USN. Unlike you with Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, US Navy and Malaysia. You are boxed. We arent.

 

[Ray]

If there is a blockade, the adversary is to break it.

Feasible?

 

[Adux]

right you think china won't just modify the tag etc or better yet, how you gonna know if that ship is goto china or japan. the transponder on the ship is use for TRAFFIC/DISTRESS only. it can be easily forged/modified. furthermore the tag doesn't tell you the destination, the tanker today could goto japan, and next month could goto china. the tag is use for Civilian purpose only. the tag can also modified to send false information indicate its different ship etc etc. again without physically locate, board the ship its not possible to know the destination/info about the ship.

also ships transponder can be turn off, which mean you got search tanker in a large area with thousands other ships.

there are just too many way for a tanker to slip through. alternative route, fake transponder, turn off the transponder, mix in with thousands ships etc etc.

Nope, Ships have their routes planned and is actually even available online to see. The tag does tell you destination and the location. Because it contains both the information. E.G.Wald has already given the links. India has to only phsyical board the ships which it feels, it has too. Whatever Chinese does with the tags(which they cant), doesnt really matter since the genuine cargo ships headed for other countries will beacon out true info, which means IN exculde them. Only the suspicious and china bound ships have to be stopped, This you see is far different from earlier times, when you had to board EVERY ship.

 

[Adux]

If there is a blockade, the adversary is to break it.

Feasible?

That is what IN wants, IN wants the PLAN to get into IOR which is under the reach of its Landbased aircrafts and smaller logistical footprints for its ships, Chinese ships will be toast.

 

[s002wjh]

If there is a blockade, the adversary is to break it.

Feasible?

there is not gonna be a blockade. selective blockade at malacca wont work well. a total blockage wont happen

 

[s002wjh]

Nope, Ships have their routes planned and is actually even available online to see. The tag does tell you destination and the location. Because it contains both the information. E.G.Wald has already given the links. India has to only phsyical board the ships which it feels, it has too. Whatever Chinese does with the tags(which they cant), doesnt really matter since the genuine cargo ships headed for other countries will beacon out true info, which means IN exculde them. Only the suspicious and china bound ships have to be stopped, This you see is far different from earlier times, when you had to board EVERY ship.

if you keep insisting tag will work during war time, then fine, i'm done try to convincing you. the tag purpose is FOR CIVILIAN/PEACETIME use only. its easy to fake a tag indicate its from another country etc etc. the whole transponder purpose WAS not for blockade purpose, it wont work!!! i sugges you ask some expert about this.

if it was that easy US would stop N.korean ship to burma or Iran ships to other countries easily before etc etc. no, its not that easy it wasn't design for bloackade purpose, the transponder is volunteer info, there are tons loopholes in it to make military tracking useless.