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J20 may carry 6 interior missiles if minimizing the missile size in the future.

 

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It looks like an extended AC352 with cosmetic alterations to mimic a Blackhawk. It definitely has the same engine configuration as AC352.

are you trying to prove AC352 is similar to Black Hawk?

 

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It looks like an extended AC352 with cosmetic alterations to mimic a Blackhawk. It definitely has the same engine configuration as AC352.

are you trying to prove AC352 is similar to Black Hawk?

 

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A relatively detailed summary of combat aircrafts in PLA air force as of July, 2019

NOTE: the following is machine translate from various sources. Accuracy may not be guaranteed and only for reference.

Sukhoi series: 161

SU-27SK/UBK: 40 (Air Force Sniper Aviation 4th, 16, 41, 55 Brigade)

SU-30MKK: 73 (Air Force Cangzhou Base Flight Training 3, Air Force Sniper Aviation, 6th, 54th, 85th, 99th Brigade)

SU-30MK2: 24 (Qinghai Sniper Aviation 4th Brigade)

SU-35SK: 24 (Air Force Sniper Aviation 6th Brigade)

J-11/15/16 series: 597

J-11A: 105 (Air Force Test Flight, Air Force Sniper Aviation 4th, 16, 41, 55 Brigade)

J-11B/BS: 220 (Air Force Cangzhou Base Flight Training 2nd Regiment, Air Force Dingxin Base Weapons Test Mission, Air Force Dingxin Base Blue Army Brigade, Air Force Sniper Aviation 1st, 19th, 89th, 95th, 111th Brigade)

J-11BH/BSH: 72 (Navy Aviation University, Haihang Sniper Aviation 8th Brigade)

J-15: 40 (a group of Haihang Xingcheng carrier aircraft base)

J-16: 160 (Air Force Cangzhou Base Flight Training 3rd Regiment, Air Force Dingxin Base Evaluation and Test Center, Air Force Dingxin Base Blue Army Brigade, Air Force Sniper Aviation 3rd, 7th, 40th, 83rd, 98th Brigade)

J-20 series: 30

J-20: 30 (Air Force Zhangzhou Base Flight Training 3rd Regiment, Air Force Dingxin Base Evaluation and Testing Center, Air Force Sniper Aviation 9th Brigade)

J-10 series: 530

J-10A: 192 (Air Force Cangzhou Base Flight Training 1st Regiment, Air Force Dingxin Base Blue Army Brigade, Air Force Sniper Aviation Brigade 8, 26, 34, 43, 70, 124, 130 Brigade)

J-10AH: 16 (Qinghai Sniper Aviation 4th Brigade)

J-10AY: 8 (Air Force Bayi Air Show Team)

J-10B: 58 (Air Force Cangzhou Base Flight Training 1st Regiment, Air Force Sniper Aviation 5th, 56th, 61st Brigade)

J-10C: 120 (Air Force Zhangzhou Base Flight Training 1st Regiment, Air Force Dingxin Base Evaluation and Test Center, Air Force Dingxin Base Blue Army Brigade, Air Force Sniper Aviation 2nd, 5th, 72nd, and 131st Brigade)

J-10S: 124 (Air Force Zhangzhou Base Flight Training 1st Regiment, Air Force Dingxin Base Evaluation and Test Center, Air Force Dingxin Base Blue Army Brigade, Air Force Sniper Aviation 2nd, 5th, 8th, 26th, 34th, 43th, 56th, 61st, 70th 72, 124, 130, 131 brigade)

J-10SH: 8 (Qinghai Sniper Aviation 4th Brigade)

J-10SY: 4 (Air Force Bayi Air Show Team)

J-8 series: 132

J-8F/DF/HF: 96 (Air Force Sniper Aviation 78th, 109th Brigade, Sea Air Sniper Air Force 5th Brigade)

J-8FR: 36 (Air Force Reconnaissance Aviation Units 46, 93)

J-7 series: 396

J-7G: 72 (Air Force Sniper Aviation, 34th, 44th, 52nd Brigade)

J-7L: 72 (Air Force Sniper Aviation, 21st, 53nd Brigade)

J-7E: 144 (Air Force Sniper Aviation, 25th, 88th, 97th, and 132nd brigades)

J-7H: 108 (Air Force Sniper Aviation, 18th, 63rd, 125th Brigade)

Flying Leopard Series: 288

JH-7: 32 (Hangzhou Airlines sniper bombing aviation 6th brigade)

JH-7A: 256 (Air Force Dingxin Base Weapons Test Mission, Air Force Dingxin Base Blue Army Brigade, Air Force Sniper Bombing Aviation, 15th, 31st, 83rd, 110th, 126th Brigade, Naval Air University, HNA Training Base 2, HNA Sniper Aviation 5 Brigade, Haihang sniper bombing aviation 9th brigade)

Total number of fighters: 2,134

Total number of 4/4+ generation fighters: 1173 (SU-30MKK+SU-30MK2+SU-35SK+J-11B/BS+J-11BH/BSH+J-15+J-16+J-20+J-10 series

Note: sniper should be translated as figther

 

[Armand2REP]

are you trying to prove AC352 is similar to Black Hawk?

No, I am exploring the possibility that China is using a French helicopter as the base for its Blackhawk clone.

 

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No, I am exploring the possibility that China is using a French helicopter as the base for its Blackhawk clone.

so you're exploring 1>2 again

 

[Armand2REP]

so you're exploring 1>2 again

It is clear that China is totally reliant on France for all aspects of its helicopter production. You can't make your own turbines and it appears you can't even make your own airframes without using a license produced French helicopter as its base.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

so you're exploring 1>2 again

Not really, at least Chinese helicopter tech was from France. China produced their helicopters on license and as usual released clones later on.

 

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It is clear that China is totally reliant on France for all aspects of its helicopter production. You can't make your own turbines and it appears you can't even make your own airframes without using a license produced French helicopter as its base.

You're assuming it's based on French AC352 and conclude China can't make airframe.
sadly, you haven't proved how it's based on French AC352.
what's more funny is how it's based on French AC353 leads you to conclude China can't make airframe?

what you're showing is like this:
assume 1>2
then 1+1=1+2
hence 2=3

 

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It is clear that China is totally reliant on France for all aspects of its helicopter production. You can't make your own turbines and it appears you can't even make your own airframes without using a license produced French helicopter as its base.

You're assuming it's based on French AC352 and conclude China can't make airframe.
sadly, you haven't proved how it's based on French AC352.
what's more funny is how it's based on French AC353 leads you to conclude China can't make airframe?

what you're showing is like this:
assume 1>2
then 1+1=1+2
hence 2=3

 

[Indx TechStyle]

You're assuming it's based on French AC352 and conclude China can't make airframe.

Chinese helicopters are based on French airframes and new ones are improvement on those models.
Obviously, there is no bashing "China can't make this or that" but a non-experienced player needs a design to initiate.

Better compare the layouts of Chinese and French helos first.

 

[Armand2REP]

Chinese helicopters are based on French airframes and new ones are improvement on those models.
Obviously, there is no bashing "China can't make this or that" but a non-experienced player needs a design to initiate.

It isn't about bashing China, it just about destroying their superiority complex and making them face reality. India actually has the lead in helicopter development as they come up with original designs.

 

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India actually has the lead in helicopter development as they come up with original designs.

No, we had lot from Germany and France. Especially France. Chinese at least locally produced them, we even started with importing even sub-assemblies in initial years.

 

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It isn't about bashing China, it just about destroying their superiority complex and making them face reality. India actually has the lead in helicopter development as they come up with original designs.

I thought this is a thread about China military news. so I follow the thread rules and post China military related stuff and I did't talk about anything irrelevant unless anyone posts it first. if you are into psychological war debate, why not create a new thread about superiority complex. and this is not a thread about India related stuff. whether India leads in design or keeps importing everything is out of my interest and irrelevant in this thread. so I'm not gonna go into this topic.

Back to the topic, you haven't proved how Z20 is based on French AC352.

 

[Armand2REP]

No, we had lot from Germany and France. Especially France. Chinese at least locally produced them, we even started with importing even sub-assemblies in initial years.

India might have taken design queues from the EC145 but there was never any licensed production to get the production tech for Dhruv. India developed that on its own.

 

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India might have taken design queues from the EC145 but there was never any licensed production to get the production tech for Dhruv. India developed that on its own.

irrelevant........................................

 

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It is clear that China is totally reliant on France for all aspects of its helicopter production. You can't make your own turbines and it appears you can't even make your own airframes without using a license produced French helicopter as its base.

Back to the topic, you haven't proved how Z20 is based on French AC352. find yourself stuck in a flawed theory?:bounce:

 

[Armand2REP]

Back to the topic, you haven't proved how Z20 is based on French AC352. find yourself stuck in a flawed theory?:bounce:

Who are you trying to fool? If you could build your own helicopter turbines you wouldn't be ordering engines from Safran left and right. If you could build your own helicopters you wouldn't be ordering assemblies from Mérignac to be screwdrivered in China. The simple fact is, if you were self sufficient you wouldn't be ordering billions worth from us.

 

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Who are you trying to fool? If you could build your own helicopter turbines you wouldn't be ordering engines from Safran left and right. If you could build your own helicopters you wouldn't be ordering assemblies from Mérignac to be screwdrivered in China. The simple fact is, if you were self sufficient you wouldn't be ordering billions worth from us.

tell me about which country is self sufficient?:bounce:

 

[Armand2REP]

tell me about which country is self sufficient?:bounce:

When China becomes self sufficient in a technology they don't import it. That is the command economy rules.