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You always say that but never back it up with facts. Link please...?How will China be a world dominating superpower with a Brown water navy?
Not similar China is about 20 years behind. China has never had even a Noble Prize winner, except for the one in prision. Of the top 500 Universities in the world only 8 are in China.Before the new energy revolution happens in China, I personally don't appreciate the thought to trigger a world-conquer compaign when your rivals are of similar technology level with you.
You always say that but never back it up with facts. Link please...?
If the PLAN, the bigger navy with better equipped, and more than double the ships RIGHT NOW is a brown water navy, then what is the IN? No navy at all?
We have an operational ACC, while China has one ACC for use as a training ship. That should put things into perspective.You always say that but never back it up with facts. Link please...?
If the PLAN, the bigger navy with better equipped, and more than double the ships RIGHT NOW is a brown water navy, then what is the IN? No navy at all?
Hahaha! You're quoting an article that's SO OLD that when it was published "The newest indigenously produced addition to the fledgling blue water fleet of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, the Luhai-class guided missile destroyer, Shenzhen, emerged from the Dalian shipyard in August 1998." 14 years and 5 evolutionary destroyer classes later and China has launched this:Overview - People's Liberation Army Navy Overview
People's Liberation Army Navy
But the PLAN remains little more than a "brown water" coastal defense with limited "green water" capabilities, and no pretense of "blue water" aspirations
Since you made the comparision to the Indian Navy. Indian Navy covers an area 10 times the area Chinese navy
covers.China is confided to South China seas. Indian navy covers the whole Indian ocean from the Horn of Africa
to the Malacca straits.
You have a 50 year old STOVL museum that carries less than 10 obsolete Harriers with no spares. Would that ever survive an engagement anywhere near the Pacific protected by 32km shtil's from the old Dehli's? Don't make me laugh.We have an operational ACC, while China has one ACC for use as a training ship. That should put things into perspective.
grow up....:cool2: denying the ovbious fact will make you looks even more retarded than you already are
come on mate its a chini aircraft carrier afterall!and i think everyone knows here that the words "chini" and "quality" are quite opposite to each other.so in case of a naval war its a high probaqbility that the Varyag will have some malfunctions or other as its been fitted by chini components!so guess who's gonna have an upperhand thenYou have a 50 year old STOVL museum that carries less than 10 obsolete Harriers with no spares. Would that ever survive an engagement anywhere near the Pacific protected by 32km shtil's from the old Dehli's? Don't make me laugh.
Thailand has an operational carrier too, are they superior to the PLAN as well? The Brazilian navy too?
but its chini after all, and that matters most!come on mate face the reality that you guys can't even design a simple RD-93 like engine and you want us to believe that you have developed an evolutionary next-gen warship just out of nowhere:taunt1:!wake up from this wet dream mate that chinis will be a military superpower like USA in the near future because no matter how much developed the chini economy might become at the end of the day you guys will still be manufacturing junks and not top class weaponsHahaha! You're quoting an article that's SO OLD that when it was published "The newest indigenously produced addition to the fledgling blue water fleet of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, the Luhai-class guided missile destroyer, Shenzhen, emerged from the Dalian shipyard in August 1998." 14 years and 5 evolutionary destroyer classes later and China has launched this:
Our 2nd generation AESA AAW destroyer the 052D was launched a while back (armed with 64 strike length CCL(I bet you don't even know what that is) VLS cells and 4 massive new AESA arrays), whilst India will commission its FIRST GENERATION AESA destroyer the P15A(that doesnt have any strike length cells who's VLS can only carry one type of small SAM in the Barak 8) hopefully in 2014, ours, the 052C has been operational since 2005.
Whaaaaat?! Are you serious? Maybe you're referring to the PLAN's South Sea Fleet, which alone has 3 LPD's to the IN's single old ex-USN LPD, and 5 modern destroyers including 2 Type 052C's and Shenzen mentioned in the article vs the IN's 3 Delhi's which only carry 32km range Shtil... There is the North Sea Fleet and the East Sea Fleet as well, The East Sea Fleet as well has 4 Sovremeneys vs India's 3 Dehli's.
If the PLAN is confined to the SCS, then why is India always whinging over PLAN activities in the IN from the Malacca straight to the Gulf of Aden and below towards Madagascar?
Give me an article from a naval expert calling TODAY's PLAN a coastal navy, not an article from before the new millennium. LOL! smh.
But the brown water navy is still pussyfooting against smaller neighbors like phillipines.Hahaha! You're quoting an article that's SO OLD that when it was published "The newest indigenously produced addition to the fledgling blue water fleet of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, the Luhai-class guided missile destroyer, Shenzhen, emerged from the Dalian shipyard in August 1998." 14 years and 5 evolutionary destroyer classes later and China has launched this:
Our 2nd generation AESA AAW destroyer the 052D was launched a while back (armed with 64 strike length CCL(I bet you don't even know what that is) VLS cells and 4 massive new AESA arrays), whilst India will commission its FIRST GENERATION AESA destroyer the P15A(that doesnt have any strike length cells who's VLS can only carry one type of small SAM in the Barak 8) hopefully in 2014, ours, the 052C has been operational since 2005.
Whaaaaat?! Are you serious? Maybe you're referring to the PLAN's South Sea Fleet, which alone has 3 LPD's to the IN's single old ex-USN LPD, and 5 modern destroyers including 2 Type 052C's and Shenzen mentioned in the article vs the IN's 3 Delhi's which only carry 32km range Shtil... There is the North Sea Fleet and the East Sea Fleet as well, The East Sea Fleet as well has 4 Sovremeneys vs India's 3 Dehli's.
If the PLAN is confined to the SCS, then why is India always whinging over PLAN activities in the IN from the Malacca straight to the Gulf of Aden and below towards Madagascar?
Give me an article from a naval expert calling TODAY's PLAN a coastal navy, not an article from before the new millennium. LOL! smh.
Last time I checked, it was your Russian refitted carrier that was blowing up its boilers during trials. In the space of a year, the Liaoning has spent a total 102 days at sea, yours didn't last 3 months before having to go back for repairs. Our carrier was refitted in one of our well equipped shipyards with world class shipyard infrastructure(cranes, dry docks etc), not in a pen made for nuclear submarines. All you've done is let Russia re-learn carrier building and maintenance before refitting their own Admiral Kuznetsov.come on mate its a chini aircraft carrier afterall!and i think everyone knows here that the words "chini" and "quality" are quite opposite to each other.so in case of a naval war its a high probaqbility that the Varyag will have some malfunctions or other as its been fitted by chini components!so guess who's gonna have an upperhand then
Where is Kaveri my Indian friend? Not 1 SINGLE INDIAN FIGHTER FLIES WITH AN INDEGENOUS ENGINE. Not even 1 prototype. WS10A's are flying on OPERATIONAL J11B's, but you're just trolling so no matter. Its amazing that an INDIAN could laugh at our tech considering that you don't have a single indigenous fighter in operation, you cant even export guns, let alone fighters.but its chini after all, and that matters most!come on mate face the reality that you guys can't even design a simple RD-93 like engine and you want us to believe that you have developed an evolutionary next-gen warship just out of nowhere:taunt1:!wake up from this wet dream mate that chinis will be a military superpower like USA in the near future because no matter how much developed the chini economy might become at the end of the day you guys will still be manufacturing junks and not top class weapons