We have inadequate air defense to stop chinese airdropped divisions.

[BunBunCake]

cruise missiles are not ideal for mountaineous regions like POK.

LF, This is against China. Also, aircraft can come furthur up.... especially Su-30's (which china has)

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Listen up bro,
You shouldn't underestimate the J-10's capabilities, because it's very similar to the Tejas, Gripen, Etc..
I don't understand you mentioning the MKI here, because by your logic, we don't need ANY SAM's since we have MKI's to shoot down all enemy aircraft.


Akash is a SHORT range SAM, and as KB said, we have SIX S-300's. Rest should be self explanatory

how does an uproven reverse engineered plane get compared to sukhois and Gripens???

 

[LETHALFORCE]

LF, This is against China.

he have air launched brahmos soon air launched Nirbhay and CBU-105'S to start not to mention Harpy,Harop and other UAV to take out their radars.

 

[The Messiah]

Our philosophy should be "madness" ie if china does anything hanky panky and we are losing then nuke china with 80% of our arsenal and 20% on pakistan for good measure.

I am prepared to die in this scenario aswell...maybe im mad myself.

 

[maomao]

Listen up bro,
You shouldn't underestimate the J-10's capabilities, because it's very similar to the Tejas, Gripen, Etc..
I don't understand you mentioning the MKI here, because by your logic, we don't need ANY SAM's since we have MKI's to shoot down all enemy aircraft.


Akash is a SHORT range SAM, and as KB said, we have SIX S-300's. Rest should be self explanatory

Listin up sis!

MKI is better than J-10, no one underestimates anything, J-10 is a Chinese a/c still under development and its avionics are the question!! I doubt technology wise they are similar to gripen! I had clearly mentioned Akash and other systems, and BTW S-300 can be used against air targets too!

If everything is self-explanatory then why have discussions. let IAF, IA deal with the self-explanatory, why bother?

 

[divya]

he have air launched brahmos soon air launched Nirbhay and CBU-105'S to start not to mention Harpy,Harop and other UAV to take out their radars.

we will definetly not want Dongfeng series to come into picture after that. Thats why we will have to limit as much as we can......

 

[SHASH2K2]

I think we are discussing Air dropping here and question is that do we have enough air defence units to stop them ?
answer is no . If its an air drop it will be deep inside our territory to cut our supply lines . lets assume siliguri coridor is their target to cut off NE from India . I think they need to come deep into Indian territory and should definitely get detected. If not God saves us .

 

[divya]

I think we are discussing Air dropping here and question is that do we have enough air defence units to stop them ?
answer is no . If its an air drop it will be deep inside our territory to cut our supply lines . lets assume siliguri coridor is their target to cut off NE from India . I think they need to come deep into Indian territory and should definitely get detected. If not God saves us .

Shash can they have access to Silguri corridor from the side of Nepal. Because I dont think its far from China and hardly have land in between china and India?

 

[BunBunCake]

how does an uproven reverse engineered plane get compared to sukhois and Gripens???

I'm neither praising the J-11 nor saying it's useless. If it satisfies you, China also has Su-27's, Su-30's that are from Russia.

Listin up sis!

I'm a dude.

MKI is better than J-10, no one underestimates anything, J-10 is a Chinese a/c still under development and its avionics are the question!! I doubt technology wise they are similar to gripen!

You saying the MKI is better than the J-10 is the same thing as a Pakistani saying the JF-17 is better than the Tejas. They too doubt the capabilities of the unproved Tejas. What should I tell them?

I had clearly mentioned Akash and other systems, and BTW S-300 can be used against air targets too!

The # of S-300's we have aren't enough to cover all major cities in India. And once again, Akash is a short range SAM.

The title of this thread is correct =)

 

[BunBunCake]

he have air launched brahmos soon air launched Nirbhay and CBU-105'S to start not to mention Harpy,Harop and other UAV to take out their radars.

LF, we're talking about DEFENDING our borders, not taking out Chinese radars. And, it'll be easier for Indian aircraft to enter Western China, which isn't as heavily protected as the Eastern part is.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Shash can they have access to Silguri corridor from the side of Nepal. Because I dont think its far from China and hardly have land in between china and India?

do yo think something as critical as siliguri coridor will be left unprotected. our defenses forces may not have all equipments they need but they have enough to protect Vital installations . India have more than decent relationships with Nepal Army so Nepal will never allow china to use its territory against India .

 

[divya]

do yo think something as critical as siliguri coridor will be left unprotected. our defenses forces may not have all equipments they need but they have enough to protect Vital installations . India have more than decent relationships with Nepal Army so Nepal will never allow china to use its territory against India .

shash this is the main prob like as in if chines are able to pressuraize nepal for just providing air space for air drops out of their might and if nepal feels threatned then it can be a very very big problem......

 

[SHASH2K2]

shash this is the main prob like as in if chines are able to pressuraize nepal for just providing air space for air drops out of their might and if nepal feels threatned then it can be a very very big problem......

I think this should be more than enough .
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/Nepal-Army-readies-red-carpet-for-Indian-Army-chief/articleshow/7123162.cms

 

[The Messiah]

China can never win war now...Indian people will rise up in millions to fight.

A defensive war on home turf will also give us an advantage. A long drawn out war is something that china will avoid at all costs....there plan will be a quick land grab but that too will not achieve anything since we will retaliate and that too will turn into full war.

So conclusion is that china will not commit to any type of direct war.

 

[BunBunCake]

do yo think something as critical as siliguri coridor will be left unprotected. our defenses forces may not have all equipments they need but they have enough to protect Vital installations . India have more than decent relationships with Nepal Army so Nepal will never allow china to use its territory against India .

That's very true, siliguri coridor is probably under watch by the IA and IAF.

Also, put aside the Tibet issue, Nepal has good relations with China. Both India and China are fighting to score Nepal.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2645066
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=26083&article=China+pledges+military+assistance+worth+Rs100+million+to+Nepal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5086416.stm
gl
gl

 

[Shaitan]

China can never win war now...Indian people will rise up in millions to fight.A defensive war on home turf will also give us an advantage. A long drawn out war is something that china will avoid at all costs....there plan will be a quick land grab but that too will not achieve anything since we will retaliate and that too will turn into full war.

So conclusion is that china will not commit to any type of direct war.

On paper it seems China can beat India.

 

[maomao]

I'm a dude.


You saying the MKI is better than the J-10 is the same thing as a Pakistani saying the JF-17 is better than the Tejas. They too doubt the capabilities of the unproved Tejas. What should I tell them?


The # of S-300's we have aren't enough to cover all major cities in India. And once again, Akash is a short range SAM.

The title of this thread is correct =)

MKI has been fully developed unlike Chinese J-10 and Junk Fighter-17 which have been induced first and developed latter! You can tell your pakistani friends when Tejas gets IOC and FOC we will talk about in details and surely we all know how pakistanis were running around French and UK firms for Avionics and Radar....there goes Chinese a/c being superior!!

Agreed we don't have all areas covered, however, in no scenario all areas can be covered, however, if you want to cover all towns, villages and rooftops we have to work on it; but it is not a cake walk to Drop in troops and take over.....!!

Pakistan in 1965 tried it on one of our airfields and failed miserably, almost 111 of their Elite SSG commandos got killed or captured by Police/Villagers/Soldiers on the Indian side and only around 10-11 returned....these suicidal missions undermining Supply lines never work in the Long run, we all know what happened to Nazis at the Russian corridor, here we are talking about a bigger force behind enemy lines, logistical issues will cause failure in the mission.....they have to secure supply routes first and it not easy to know the terrain and PLA withdrawing back is a Historical fact!

 

[Shaitan]

It sure does..:angry_7:

 

[maomao]

On paper it seems China can beat India.

On paper pakistan flew its First Helicopter yesterday (we all know a Gyro Kit is no helicopter), on paper pakistan is a super power (by pakistanis, as they have nukes) and a rich state, on paper pakistan says they won 1965 (still we were requested to give they conquered land back which we had rightfully earned) etc etc. China is next US (still owning huge amounts of Bonds and Dollar reserve, I guess only CCP knows how they will replace their Dollar based economy):happy_2:

 

[Tshering22]

FYI, the PAAF have SU-30's and their own J-11's to escort their "vintage" bombers...
And Akash isn't much of a boost to Indian defences.... the IAF needs more Medium ranged and Long ranged SAM's.

Akash can only be used to guard some assets. It's not going to help us guard New Delhi, Mumbai, etc..
gl

Akash is the best available option if we consider cheap, mass induction with effective technology. It has an intercepting range of 30 Km, is easy to produce and is accurate to pinpoint. If we can use the advantage of its low cost, we can practically cover entire northeast and east borders with it like a blanket. Remember, PLAAF believes in quantity and hence having an overwhelming number of short range SAMs would simply make PLAAF bombers and fighters think twice.

Now naturally since PLAAF's H-6 and J-11s won't be carrying nuclear bombs, I think 30 KM range is fine sufficient for interception which will have little or no impact from our border. Better than needlessly acquiring excess SPYDERs that are expensive and pointless to attack waves of medium tech fighters or even high tech ones. Akash is quality+quantity and that's the strategy we need with PLAAF. If IAF and IA can get over their obsession of foreign maal, I think DRDO can simple make extend Akash's range through slight modifications to as far as 100 KM away.

But commission-obsessed corrupt babus won't let indigenous programmes succeed to keep their foreign masters happy.