US warns Solomon Islands over China pact

[gajapati]

I doubt there will be any further expansion of QUAD or it becoming anything relevant.
USA has plenty of allies and bases in the East . US has 73 bases in south Korea alone. Japan is
a major ally and it is considered the fourth strongest naval power. I don't want overstate India's position in the Quad. India has a history of being a flip flopping and being a fickle and unreliable partner on many occasions.
With no clear policy or formal agreements India's role in quad will always be uncertain.

That flip flop is not without context ... Indo USA partnership goes back to 15 years which is recent and was a break since kennedy 's assassination and assassination of lal bahadur shastri 5 decades back .. We never had a energy trade with them which started 2/3 years back and now 4th largest supplier of LNG and petroleum . If u look back history u ll find the NPT treaty was aimed at India's nuclear test and india has faced sanctions as well as nuclear threat from USA .. We come from that history .. And now a woke movement going on where india presented as some fascist state .. Negative coverage of india all the time .. And now this CATSA sanction issues .. Its the same USA which maintained good strategic relationship with china despite all kinds of human right violations..

So there is some context to present ..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

That flip flop is not without context ... Indo USA partnership goes back to 15 years which is recent and was a break since kennedy 's assassination and assassination of lal bahadur shastri 5 decades back .. We never had a energy trade with them which started 2/3 years back and now 4th largest supplier of LNG and petroleum . If u look back history u ll find the NPT treaty was aimed at India's nuclear test and india has faced sanctions as well as nuclear threat from USA .. We come from that history .. And now a woke movement going on where india presented as some fascist state .. Negative coverage of india all the time .. And now this CATSA sanction issues ..

India during the cold war had sided with Russia. Nehru made the choices that created many diplomatic
failures that exist today. Not just USA even for Russia India flip flops. When Russia invaded afghanistan India
did nothing to help Russia. While Pakistan benefitted greatly helping USA.

 

[gajapati]

India during the cold war had sided with Russia. Nehru made the choices that created many diplomatic
failures that exist today.

We were non aligned before war with china .. After that Neheru and kennedy were getting closer .. USA was even increasing military ties but both of them died .. Then lal bahadur shastri who came next died early in Tashkent .. Then came the indra gadhi who was pro ussr and Nixon who was highly racist towards indians and pro china .

 

[DEV1729]

India during the cold war had sided with Russia. Nehru made the choices that created many diplomatic
failures that exist today. Not just USA even for Russia India flip flops. When Russia invaded afghanistan India
did nothing to help Russia. While Pakistan benefitted greatly helping USA.

USA flip flops in Vietnam and Afghanistan and ran away instead of saving democratic governments over there.Usa had Nixon and Kissinger even if nehru had been a USA stooge they would have supported porkistan.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

We were non aligned before war with china .. After that Neheru and kennedy were getting closer .. USA was even increasing military ties but both of them died .. Then lal bahadur shastri who came next died early in Tashkent .. Then came the indra gadhi who was pro ussr and Nixon who was highly racist towards indians and pro china .

Non alligmnent is total BS . You are not helping anyone or fooling anyone; and want help from others.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

USA flip flops in Vietnam and Afghanistan and ran away instead of saving democratic governments over there.Usa had Nixon and Kissinger even if nehru had been a USA stooge they would have supported porkistan.

They were not allies but enemy nations. Wars that US lost.

 

[DEV1729]

Non alligmnent is total BS . You are not helping anyone and want help from others.

Non alignment was neccessity despite using India's resources in world war 1 and 2 Indians never got any credit nor any reparations for their effort not even a un seat for permanent security council.Why India must starve itself for wars by mlecchas.Anyways we have seen how Pakistanis have done after supporting usa for so long.

 

[DEV1729]

They were not allies but enemy nations. Wars that US lost.

Nope they weren't enemy nations South Vietnamese government was a republic and had parliamentary government fighting the naxals same with the gani democratic government alas usa ditched them both because it was against its interest.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Non alignment was neccessity despite using India's resources in world war 1 and 2 Indians never got any credit nor any reparations for their effort not even a un seat for permanent security council.Why India must starve itself for wars by mlecchas.Anyways we have seen how Pakistanis have done after supporting usa for so long.

india diplomatically did not know how to play on a world stage. UK wanted a port to develop they
asked india about mumbai and india gave no response. Singapore and Hong kong were developed instead.
UNSC seat was offered India refused Nehru said give to China and they gladly took it.
This kind of stupidity is very rare in history.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Nope they weren't enemy nations South Vietnamese government was a republic and had parliamentary government fighting the naxals same with the gani democratic government alas usa ditched them both because it was against its interest.

after TET offensive US had lost the war.

 

[gajapati]

india diplomatically did not know how to play on a world stage. UK wanted a port to develop they
asked india about mumbai and india gave no response. Singapore and Hong kong were developed instead.
UNSC seat was offered India refused Nehru said give to China and they gladly took it.

If it was before 80s then handing over port to UK after hard earned freedom with struggle of centuries was not a option .. You wld have seen gandhian movement with little foreign funding .. The mindset has changed after globalization increase in indian diaspora in west and increased penetration of movies tv shows from USA .

Regarding China our home grown communists did a number on us .. They screwed us so that their father land can rise .

 

[LETHALFORCE]

If it was before 80s then handing over port to UK after hard earned freedom with struggle of centuries was not a option .. You wld have seen gandhian movement with little foreign funding .. The mindset has changed after globalization increase in indian diaspora in west and increased penetration of movies tv shows from USA .

Regarding China our home grown communists did a number on us .. They screwed us so that their father land can rise .

5 million Indians fought and died in ww1 and WW2 . I never heard anyone Indian official ask for reparations or
compensation . Indian government does not even ask that this gets recognized in history.

 

[gajapati]

5 million Indians fought and died in ww1 and WW2 . I never heard anyone Indian official ask for reparations or
compensation . Indian government does not even ask that this gets recognized in history.

Reminds me of this video regarding ww1

 

[KurtisBrian]

What does QUAD do? It risks drawing the US into a Pakistan India conflict (via tic tac toe). It risks drawing India into a China Taiwan conflict.

So in both cases QUAD increases the scale and intensity of possible wars. It turns those potential wars from survivable to possibly not survivable.

If India fought with Pakistan, Americans likely wouldn't have been involved. No risk to Americans.
If US fought China over Taiwan, Indians likely wouldn't have been involved. No risk to Indians.

So QUAD, greatly increases your possibility of war and hugely increases the likely casualty rate.

WW1 and 2 alliances did the same thing.
Gee wonder why Indians have tried to stay away from alliances.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Opinion | Why tiny Solomon Islands fuels Five Eyes’ paranoia

With the security pact between China and the island nation signed, great power rivalry and hysteria have now extended from the South China Sea to the South Pacific.

www.scmp.com

Why tiny Solomon Islands fuels Five Eyes’ paranoia

 

[LETHALFORCE]

US to help India project force to counter China’s naval activity: US official

The US official noted that India’s response to the Russian invasion, which is at variance with the reaction of other Quad members, will not be a “significant hindrance” to cooperation within the grouping.

www.hindustantimes.com

US to help India project force to counter China’s naval activity

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

South Korea emerges as Quad alternative to India - Asia Times

South Korea has long stood out as a geopolitical anomaly – a rising power curiously punching well below its weight. A long-time US treaty ally, the

asiatimes.com

South Korea emerges as Quad alternative to India

Biden wants India out of QUAD.

isnt south korea experiencing a very low tfr and hence demographic crisis.they are starting to shrink very fast along with japan and taiwan.

they are basically a larger taiwan.i dont think south korea can be a military tool in the near or medium term for America where it will be crucial.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

isnt south korea experiencing a very low tfr and hence demographic crisis.they are starting to shrink very fast along with japan and taiwan.

they are basically a larger taiwan.i dont think south korea can be a military tool in the near or medium term for America where it will be crucial.

Many of the latest US weapons are in South Korea. 50 million population far from Taiwan.
Most US land bases in Asia . South Korea and USA have long standing ties since the
Korean war ; which have brought economic prosperity to s. korea.

 

[Moroboshi]

South Korea emerges as Quad alternative to India - Asia Times

South Korea has long stood out as a geopolitical anomaly – a rising power curiously punching well below its weight. A long-time US treaty ally, the

asiatimes.com

South Korea emerges as Quad alternative to India

Biden wants India out of QUAD.

Lol. Still seething about being flipped the finger on Ukraine. Good.

 

[Moroboshi]

isnt south korea experiencing a very low tfr and hence demographic crisis.they are starting to shrink very fast along with japan and taiwan.

they are basically a larger taiwan.i dont think south korea can be a military tool in the near or medium term for America where it will be crucial.

Right? Yeah, a tiny aging country will be an effective replacement for India. Let's see how that works out for these guys.