Trump Uses the K-word, Includes Bajwa in Talks with Imran

[afako]

Pakistan ka chutiya kata:

 

[Deathstar]

what is tharoor smoking now!

Congress MP Shashi Tharoor Defends PM Modi On US President Trump’s Kashmir Mediation Claim

Refuting United States (US) President Donald Trump's claim that Prime Minister Narendra Modi asked him for mediation on Kashmir, Senior Congress leader and Lok Sabha MP Shashi Tharoor blasted Trump for his ‘ignorance’ on the issue.

"I honestly don't think Trump has the slightest idea of what he's talking about," Tharoor said in a tweet on Monday (22 July).

The Congress MP from Thiruvananthapuram added that Trump “has either not been briefed or not understood what Modi was saying or what India's position is on 3rd-party mediation,"

I honestly don't think Trump has the slightest idea of what he's talking about. He has either not been briefed or not understood what Modi was saying or what India's position is on 3rd-party mediation. That said, MEA should clarify that Delhi has never sought his intercession. https://t.co/DxRpNu6vw2

— Shashi Tharoor (@ShashiTharoor) July 22, 2019


Tharoor's comments stand in absolute disconnect with those of erstwhile Congress chief Rahul Gandhi.

Gandhi tried to corner the Government on the issue by asserting, "PM must tell the nation what transpired in the meeting between him and POTUS."

"If true, PM Modi has betrayed India's interests & 1972 Shimla Agreement,” he added.

President Trump says PM Modi asked him to mediate between India & Pakistan on Kashmir!

If true, PM Modi has betrayed India’s interests & 1972 Shimla Agreement.

A weak Foreign Ministry denial won’t do. PM must tell the nation what transpired in the meeting between him & @POTUS

— Rahul Gandhi (@RahulGandhi) July 23, 2019


Yesterday (23 July), raking up the issue, the Congress party led by senior politician Ghulam Nabi Azad refused to participate in the Parliamentary proceedings and carried out a walkout from the Rajya Sabha

Wink wink Sunanda Pushkar case is still haunting him

 

[AnantS]

What’re the new developments on this issue?

Only thing is Kudlow(not Kushner) saying that he has no knowledge of the subject, but only objected to Trump being called a liar by the reporter.

Both sides seem to be trying to bury this issue. But when I said - there is no smoke without fire. What I meant was - maybe modi did not use the same sentence(Given how Trump summarized NM's details on India's aid to Afghan - as a donation of library). But given Afghanistan issue is being discussed between all parties except India - with primacy given to Pakistan viewpoint. You can bet - there is Kashmir being discussed or being forced to discussed behind curtains. We should be keenly to watch all sly track thoo meetings and utterances by our old dear friend russia and new 100% organic all natural ally US.

 

[ezsasa]

what is tharoor smoking now!

Congress MP Shashi Tharoor Defends PM Modi On US President Trump’s Kashmir Mediation Claim

Refuting United States (US) President Donald Trump's claim that Prime Minister Narendra Modi asked him for mediation on Kashmir, Senior Congress leader and Lok Sabha MP Shashi Tharoor blasted Trump for his ‘ignorance’ on the issue.

"I honestly don't think Trump has the slightest idea of what he's talking about," Tharoor said in a tweet on Monday (22 July).

The Congress MP from Thiruvananthapuram added that Trump “has either not been briefed or not understood what Modi was saying or what India's position is on 3rd-party mediation,"

I honestly don't think Trump has the slightest idea of what he's talking about. He has either not been briefed or not understood what Modi was saying or what India's position is on 3rd-party mediation. That said, MEA should clarify that Delhi has never sought his intercession. https://t.co/DxRpNu6vw2

— Shashi Tharoor (@ShashiTharoor) July 22, 2019


Tharoor's comments stand in absolute disconnect with those of erstwhile Congress chief Rahul Gandhi.

Gandhi tried to corner the Government on the issue by asserting, "PM must tell the nation what transpired in the meeting between him and POTUS."

"If true, PM Modi has betrayed India's interests & 1972 Shimla Agreement,” he added.

President Trump says PM Modi asked him to mediate between India & Pakistan on Kashmir!

If true, PM Modi has betrayed India’s interests & 1972 Shimla Agreement.

A weak Foreign Ministry denial won’t do. PM must tell the nation what transpired in the meeting between him & @POTUS

— Rahul Gandhi (@RahulGandhi) July 23, 2019


Yesterday (23 July), raking up the issue, the Congress party led by senior politician Ghulam Nabi Azad refused to participate in the Parliamentary proceedings and carried out a walkout from the Rajya Sabha

These statements from shampoo boy were from morning, by evening he flipped back to being congi..

 

[vampyrbladez]

I'm trying to make sense of the Afghan clusterfuck. Check it out if you like!

https://defenceforumindia.com/forum...raveyard-and-the-forgotten-dogs-of-war.81662/

 

[Haldiram]

Gist : "We don't approve US talks with Taliban; We are capable of representing ourselves. The Taliban does not represent us."

Now I see why Murica is so frustrated.

 

[Immanuel]

Another angle is perhaps Trump wants India to do more in Afghan, that is potentially the only way forward.

Afghans hate Pukis with a passion and most Afghan people love India, Indians and hold us in high regard. They would welcome India's help but they refuse to deal with Napakis. Why aren't we pushing easy exports of LCA, LCH, Dhruv, Arjun, Nag and other to Afghan? We are we so indecisive in making deals .

Afghan border with Pak needs a Wall + the entire border should be sealed up (that will automatically stop a lot of support mechanism from Pukis for the Tabils), how about some more military advisers, classified SF rotations.

Bringing peace to Afghan is worth it, in return we can get access natural resources from Gold, Cobalt, Lithium, Precious stones, natural gas, Uranium and others.

Eitherway, many of the LET, JEM abduls are now being trained in Afghan. We should go head hunting over there.

Perhaps it's better to keep Pukis busy on the Afghan border, a few months of this and the Kashmir network falls apart fast as well. Eitherway if Pukis cut the taliban out, there will be backlash on them.

 

[mayfair]

And how do you propose we take care of our logistics should we take your advice and deploy into Afghanistan?

 

[Immanuel]

And how do you propose we take care of our logistics should we take your advice and deploy into Afghanistan?

Logistics is not a big deal, we need a few companies of SF operators rotated out in a C-17 or two. They are more than enough to act as force multipliers in the short term. We could also ship 4-5 Tejas, LCH, Rudra as nice place for target practice on the talibs. The unwahsed abdul can't tell what hit em anyways.

I speak more of military sales of equipment as well, Afghan forces needs to propped up. Easy export access for Tejas MK-1/ 1A, Arjun, Dhruv, LCH, Ghatak rifles, Pinaka, Akash SAM etc.

 

[mayfair]

I speak more of military sales of equipment as well, Afghan forces needs to propped up

NATO has been trying that since 2001. Fair to say that it hasn't really worked out so far.

 

[ezsasa]

Gist : "We don't approve US talks with Taliban; We are capable of representing ourselves. The Taliban does not represent us."

Now I see why Murica is so frustrated.

So it means the whole niazi trump meeting was a promotional event, to hard sell Taliban talks without involving afghan govt.

Indian and afghan govts stand is that America should remain deployed in limited capacity, Pakistan is saying we can help America get out.

Which also means this is a futile exercise, Americans are here to stay in Afghanistan for some time.

 

[ezsasa]

Logistics is not a big deal, we need a few companies of SF operators rotated out in a C-17 or two. They are more than enough to act as force multipliers in the short term. We could also ship 4-5 Tejas, LCH, Rudra as nice place for target practice on the talibs. The unwahsed abdul can't tell what hit em anyways.

I speak more of military sales of equipment as well, Afghan forces needs to propped up. Easy export access for Tejas MK-1/ 1A, Arjun, Dhruv, LCH, Ghatak rifles, Pinaka, Akash SAM etc.

And then when talibs start doing big IED action in Kashmir when ever they are targeted in Afghanistan, what do we do?

 

[hit&run]

How about that Kerala folk Rahul Eshwar? That was a true coup in RW world. He flipped on Sabrilmala.

He is not worth my time. Because of Hindus (If he is) like him, people don't take other Hindus seriously.

 

[Srinivas_K]

NATO has been trying that since 2001. Fair to say that it hasn't really worked out so far.

India can deal with this scenario, India has friendly relations with Iran, China, Russia and central Asian countries.

Small team of military advisers, developmental programs and UN support is needed in this regard.

Regarding Pakistan FATF will take care of their motives. they know what exactly they have to go through if they try to export terror.

NATO did not have the FATF plan at that time.

Afghanistan people are against Taliban and there will be people’s movement and uprising against Taliban and Pakistan.

Add to that pasthun belt is slowly turning against Pakistan establishment. They do not support Taliban but they do not agree with Pakistani either.

 

[hit&run]

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[Immanuel]

And then when talibs start doing big IED action in Kashmir when ever they are targeted in Afghanistan, what do we do?

Well the Talibs first have to escape Afghan for that. Besides, LOC is secure enough to thwart the Talibs from miles away. Besides the local support structure in Kashmir is already under duress and will collapse to a bare minimum with a few more months.

Our boys would help in wrapping this up quickly, no one has more experience in this.

 

[ezsasa]

Well the Talibs first have to escape Afghan for that. Besides, LOC is secure enough to thwart the Talibs from miles away. Besides the local support structure in Kashmir is already under duress and will collapse to a bare minimum with a few more months.

Our boys would help in wrapping this up quickly, no one has more experience in this.

Sure, agreed. Since we are discussing a “what if” scenario, include my “what if” into your scenario.

Another “what if” is that you cannot assume that BJP is always going to be in power. If BJP goes out of power, bomb blasts in cities might return.

Then what happens?

 

[Hari Sud]

First time in US history that two Pakistani generals were leading the talks with the American President. Imran Khan was an addendum during these conversations. Real talks were with the generals. They were the one who will deliver US withdrawal from Afghanistan without America loosing its honour as it happened in Vietnam and elsewhere.

The generals got most likely all economic and military aid restored to Pakistan and persuaded Trump to throw India under the bus.

The forgoing will leave a permanent scar on Indo-US ties.

 

[Vijyes]

First time in US history that two Pakistani generals were leading the talks with the American President. Imran Khan was an addendum during these conversations. Real talks were with the generals. They were the one who will deliver US withdrawal from Afghanistan without America loosing its honour as it happened in Vietnam and elsewhere.

The generals got most likely all economic and military aid restored to Pakistan and persuaded Trump to throw India under the bus.

The forgoing will leave a permanent scar on Indo-US ties.

USA never had any genuine intention towards relationship with India. So, nothing to lose

 

[hit&run]

I am steadfast fast on my opinion that what Trump said was of no value and Indians are overreacting. That utterances were due to some mismatch, misinterpretations and poor translation.

In the same breath, he also told Lafanga Khan that you say India is destabilizing Pakistani but India says it is Pakistan who is destabilizing India. He said this in front of the public and press. It tells how much trump trusts his words. You never say it to the plaintiff if you see the truth in his statements.

Trump in my understanding experienced the ''Tattey'' ball-licking by low life convert 'Marassee' nation as Lafanga started praising him with attributes of 'Mai-Baap' of the world. These bikhmangee can hold your trousers and start weeping and cleaning their nose till you yield favours to them. When they come out they call it great influence and victory. Trump enjoyed that licking so much that he went out of the brief.