Tracking Indian Economy till general elections 2019

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Well usually that "oil value" is supply demand right? Plus increase in expenses in constructing a similar house. Plus how much does a similar house rent for nearby? Plus how much can I save using a mortgage interest deduction (America specific). :smile:
Nope.

Oil demand as in hidden value which others don't know. How Vadra made windfall because he knew where solar farm is coming up, so brought land.

I gave you a simple way to think. There can be other ways as well in which one might know better about how certain asset will perform.
 

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Nope.

Oil demand as in hidden value which others don't know. How Vadra made windfall because he knew where solar farm is coming up, so brought land.

I gave you a simple way to think. There can be other ways as well in which one might know better about how certain asset will perform.
This is getting to be circular discussion but my post is exactly why house prices go up over long run in the absence of speculation.

Please take a look at this calculator - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calculator.html

It covers exactly what goes on in the mind of the average home buyer and partly reflects whether a home is still attractive at a given price.
 

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It has luck on its side. But luck runs out!!
Is this is what you really think???

Then may God Bless you!!!

BJP definitely has good luck!!!

Because it is invincible in States since last 3-4 terms. These States are Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh. And Good Luck will Smile at BJP in these States in Future also.

And now add these States as well to the list, where it will be difficult to dislodge them from Power: Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh, Harayana, Uttarakhand.

Do you know Opposition is also making the same mistake as you.

They also think that BJP is just having "GOOD LUCK". And these scums Dreaming end of GOOD LUCK of BJP.

May God Bless both you and Opposition.

Thank you.
 

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Is this is what you really think???

Then may God Bless you!!!

BJP definitely has good luck!!!

Because it is invincible in States since last 3-4 terms. These States are Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh. And Good Luck will Smile at BJP in these States in Future also.

And now add these States as well to the list, where it will be difficult to dislodge them from Power: Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh, Harayana, Uttarakhand.

Do you know Opposition is also making the same mistake as you.

They also think that BJP is just having "GOOD LUCK". And these scums Dreaming end of GOOD LUCK of BJP.

May God Bless both you and Opposition.

Thank you.
Oil may not always be cheap but Jai-Italy will forever be dumb!
 

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This is getting to be circular discussion but my post is exactly why house prices go up over long run in the absence of speculation.

Please take a look at this calculator - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calculator.html

It covers exactly what goes on in the mind of the average home buyer and partly reflects whether a home is still attractive at a given price.
In a country like India house rent comparison doesn't work for 90% of population because there is no guarantee of continued income to pay rent life long for 90% of population.

Hence housing is always attractive no matter how ridiculous the price is.

Unless economy formalized and investing becomes a common thing it will remain so.
 

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In a country like India house rent comparison doesn't work for 90% of population because there is no guarantee of continued income to pay rent life long for 90% of population.

Hence housing is always attractive no matter how ridiculous the price is.

Unless economy formalized and investing becomes a common thing it will remain so.
Yes, also renting is very cheap compared to price of house in most of India. We got sidetracked into discussion of America because he mentioned "the West". Sorry.
 

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In a country like India house rent comparison doesn't work for 90% of population because there is no guarantee of continued income to pay rent life long for 90% of population.

Hence housing is always attractive no matter how ridiculous the price is.

Unless economy formalized and investing becomes a common thing it will remain so.
Can you pay back house loan with non-guaranteed income?

Indians have fetish for housing in big cities, which might be the worst investment among all options available. Not everyone has gained on housing transactions.
 

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Can you even get a loan on non guaranteed income? Maybe this discussion is moot. The people who are buying houses probably have some form of steady income.
My rebuttal was on the point of- housing is attractive, no matter how ridiculous the price is.
 

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Can you pay back house loan with non-guaranteed income?

Indians have fetish for housing in big cities, which might be the worst investment among all options available. Not everyone has gained on housing transactions.
Most house in small Cities and rural areas (where 90% of India lives) are still build with self financed money + relatives help.

Many people build house block by block as the money comes by. They build small single floor first then years later build second floor.

Even in formal sector ( which employs just 10-15 % of all employed people) most people want to clear house loan asap because they are not confident that their income would remain study . ( Though the banks might believe otherwise). people rather save money for health care and to support children after retirement and of course to marry the daughter. Hence they try to take minimum loan and try to pay it asap .
 

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Most house in small Cities and rural areas (where 90% of India lives) are still build with self financed money + relatives help.

Many people build house block by block as the money comes by. They build small single floor first then years later build second floor.

Even in formal sector ( which employs just 10-15 % of all employed people) most people want to clear house loan asap because they are not confident that their income would remain study . ( Though the banks might believe otherwise). people rather save money for health care and to support children after retirement and of course to marry the daughter. Hence they try to take minimum loan and try to pay it asap .
Till now price of Housing in India was kept Artificially High. Thanks to Capital Incentive Growth in MMS Decade. This had resulted in Sky High Price of Housing which fueled Inflation.

All the Black and Informal Money was sucked up in Real State and Gold.

The Housing went out of the reach of Common man.

The prices are not rising now but neither they are not coming down.

This is because lost of Black and Corruption money is invested in it.

There is lot of Inventory blocked with these so called INVESTORS, which is literally unoccupied.

These INVESTORS are just sitting on the Inventories but are not selling them because that will be a nett loss on their part and real buyers are not in the position to pay hyper inflated price.

Builders are also stuck with the project they bought land at high prices in UNACCOUNTED CASH, and cannot dispose off the Inventory at loss.

Everybody is doing wait and watch.

This stagnation in Property Market will continue till Inflation brings down the actual Cost of property in Monetary Terms, where it becomes viable for Actual Buyers. And the INVESTOR gets in Rupee terms what he had paid for the property.

Or there may be other solution to Situation.

Government implements "Housing for All" Scheme with full guns blazing. This can also bring down the property to the affordable level.
 

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Till now price of Housing in India was kept Artificially High. Thanks to Capital Incentive Growth in MMS Decade. This had resulted in Sky High Price of Housing which fueled Inflation.
That is correct but only partially. The fundamental problems are two
A) lack of infrastructure which hinders horizontal growth of cities. Thus population has to be concentrated at much smaller area. If proper infrastructure is developed population can move much further around the city yet stay connected by expressways , metros etc.

B) regulations on vertical growth. Look at Delhi. Only recently in thane , govt allowed to remove the hight cap. Most Indian cities have stupid cap on hight of buildings. Thus forcing more land to be bought and push up prices.

In small cities govt should encourage apartment system over individual housing via tax incentives because individual house in country as populated as India are wastage of land , resources , money and time. Rather then having box like 1000 houses govt should promote huge apartment complex with gardens , pools , tracks which will improve quality of life of ordinary indians at lower price point.

Sale of individual plot must be banned .
Minimum plot size should be 3000 SQ foot (so as to include parking , garden etc). Those who can't afford such plots should opt for apartments which must be promoted with tax breaks , low price , free amenities , etc.

This way cities will also be more manageable.
 

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That is correct but only partially. The fundamental problems are two
A) lack of infrastructure which hinders horizontal growth of cities. Thus population has to be concentrated at much smaller area. If proper infrastructure is developed population can move much further around the city yet stay connected by expressways , metros etc.

B) regulations on vertical growth. Look at Delhi. Only recently in thane , govt allowed to remove the hight cap. Most Indian cities have stupid cap on hight of buildings. Thus forcing more land to be bought and push up prices.

In small cities govt should encourage apartment system over individual housing via tax incentives because individual house in country as populated as India are wastage of land , resources , money and time. Rather then having box like 1000 houses govt should promote huge apartment complex with gardens , pools , tracks which will improve quality of life of ordinary indians at lower price point.

Sale of individual plot must be banned .
Minimum plot size should be 3000 SQ foot (so as to include parking , garden etc). Those who can't afford such plots should opt for apartments which must be promoted with tax breaks , low price , free amenities , etc.

This way cities will also be more manageable.
The development or the lack of infrastructure was also next important issue.

The India was piss poor when she got independence. Priorities of Govts. was on agriculture. But due to rampant mismanagement and corruption, we never had healthy growth. Due to this the urban development was restricted around few cities.

Infrastructure was never a priority till ABV taken it seriously as tool to develop the economy.

The land consumed by Urban India is minuscule in comparison to total land mass of India, and still 30% of India lives in Cities.

Instead for focusing on few cities more investments should be made in tier 3 and tier 4 cities, so that the Growth opportunities are distributed all along the country and pressure on tier 1 and tier 2 cities may be reduced.

Instead of growing cities vertical it is better to distribute the growth all along the country by developing small urban centers on pan India scale.

This will also have cascading effect on rural India, who rush for jobs in distant Urban Centers.
 

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just because you banned somebody for posting some irrelevant facts,
Yes. Derailing (multiple) threads bad. Very bad :sad:

But letting go the one who is continuously insulting Hindus and insulting other members.
Funny. The member is actually a very right wing hindu AND economically right wing, unlike the so called 'right wingers' on this forum who are closet socialists :lol:

I just wish @YagamiLight laid off on the personal attacks.
 
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Hate to break it to you guys. These are just eco chambers. Modiji has given more than 3 years time to these so called RW. They never came out of their room, never joined any movement on ground. All they did is whining nonstop online.
@YagamiLight and others you keep crying. You guys are dead weight to any party. No political gain anyway.
 

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Since so many bhakths here cry for my ban, I will stop busting their echo chambers for now. Lets see for next 2 quarters. Indian economy is still going to be shit then, if we go by the current models and predictions and I want to see how bhakths defend the present govt then. Till then keep they can keep living in their lala land
 

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Since so many bhakths here cry for my ban, I will stop busting their echo chambers for now. Lets see for next 2 quarters. Indian economy is still going to be shit then, if we go by the current models and predictions and I want to see how bhakths defend the present govt then. Till then keep they can keep living in their lala land
There is no alternative to Modi in India. His economic vision, military vision and conservative right wing values are all that hold back India from the abyss of Western Liberalism and multiculturalism. Rahul Gandhi is a buffoon like Justin Trudeau and the commies want world communism and have no true loyalty to India.

So come 2019, Abki Baar Modi Sarkar!

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