To counter China, Parrikar rushes to BD

[amoy]

Then you should've got the port project of BD based on that track record. And since when Taiwan became a PRC territory ?

Patience is a good virtue Chinese possess. Now u see, Chinese have delivered two submarines to Bangladeshi navy. Just a matter of time.

China COSCO, Evergreen join world's largest shipping alliance

Taiwan is certainly a world recognized part of China - and most of businesses of Evergreen / Yang Ming of Taiwanese holding operate in mainland China. That would be impossible without the one-China umbrella.

Indians shall be happy to see Chinese investment contributing to prosperity of the South Asian community that we share.

 

[republic_roi97]

Patience is a good virtue Chinese possess. Now u see, Chinese have delivered two submarines to Bangladeshi navy. Just a matter of time.

China COSCO, Evergreen join world's largest shipping alliance

Taiwan is certainly a world recognized part of China - and most of businesses of Evergreen / Yang Ming of Taiwanese holding operate in mainland China. That would be impossible without the one-China umbrella.

Well then keep interfering while you can. South China sea would always hold you back. Supply subs to BD, we'll supply boats, missiles systems to vietnam. LOL, plus GOI has already sent proposal to BD for port construction.
All this chinese activities near India, show that how hard you guys are trying to contain and corner India.

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[Project Dharma]

Most of the so called Muslims want freedom instead of sharia .

Not true thought that would seem reasonable given that they left their countries and decided to move to western countries in the hopes of a better life.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/...young-muslims-more-loyal-to-islam-than-to-u-s

Tapper doesn’t get out much. If he did, chances are he’d run into some of the 51% of Muslims living in the U.S. who just this June told Polling Co. they preferred having “the choice of being governed according to Shariah,” or Islamic law. Or the 60% of Muslim-Americans under 30 who told Pew Research they’re more loyal to Islam than America.

51% of these assholes want to enforce Sharia in America!! I bet that the number is much higher because these are just the ones who had the courage to answer truthfully. Also, if you selectively picked from Sharia and asked whether they want punishment for adultery for instance, almost every practicing Muslim would say "yes".

 

[airtel]

Well, Chinese have the expertise and above all MONEY.

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Really ??


date 16th Nov.

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The report says that “China’s rapidly rising debt levels heighten risks to the stability of the country’s financial markets, which can quickly spill over into global markets….China’s rapidly rising corporate debt—which stands at 169 percent of GDP—also raises questions about the sustainability of the country’s economic growth. The International Monetary Fund warned in its annual review of China’s economy that China’s rising corporate debt was a ‘serious and growing problem that must be addressed immediately,’ estimating the potential losses from bad corporate loans to be worth 7 percent of GDP.”


http://breakingdefense.com/2016/11/...-troubling-debt-cited-by-us-china-commission/



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The End of China Inc?

As time is running out for China to pay off its bad debts, 101 East investigates if this could be the end of China Inc.

15 Sep 2016 20:30 GMT China, Business & Economy, Unemployment
There's a magic formula to becoming a millionaire in China - borrow big to earn big.
For years, individuals, state-owned companies and municipalities have taken massive loans to chase the Chinese dream.
Now it's payback time, but a severe economic slowdown means many are struggling to pay their debts.
Entire neighbourhoods have become "ghost towns", industrial companies sit idle and the unemployed are growing desperate.
Government economists claim China has enough in its coffers to cover the bad loans, but defaulting on it could send the world's economy into a tailspin.
101 East asks, is this the end of China Inc?


source = http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2016/09/china-economy-160913081105227.html


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i am waiting for trade war between china & USA = https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-and-us-cars-if-naive-trump-pursues-trade-war

 

[IndianHawk]

Indians shall be happy to see Chinese investment contributing to prosperity of the South

We have no problem with prosperity but we have a problem with naval bases.
And that's a headache for BD also.

A Chinese base in BD means BD will get entangled into indo-china conflict.

We also share Asia Pacific community.
China should welcome our involvement

Taiwan is certainly a world recognized part of China - and most of businesses of Evergreen / Yang Ming of Taiwanese holding operate in mainland China.

World might recognize it but Taiwanese certainly don't. May I remind you there missiles have a singular target the mainland :biggrin2:


The great Chinese project management left Colombo in a mess of debt . BD will also go the same way with Chinese project.

 

[jadoogar]

Really ??


date 16th Nov.

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The report says that “China’s rapidly rising debt levels heighten risks to the stability of the country’s financial markets, which can quickly spill over into global markets….China’s rapidly rising corporate debt—which stands at 169 percent of GDP—also raises questions about the sustainability of the country’s economic growth. The International Monetary Fund warned in its annual review of China’s economy that China’s rising corporate debt was a ‘serious and growing problem that must be addressed immediately,’ estimating the potential losses from bad corporate loans to be worth 7 percent of GDP.”


http://breakingdefense.com/2016/11/...-troubling-debt-cited-by-us-china-commission/



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The End of China Inc?

As time is running out for China to pay off its bad debts, 101 East investigates if this could be the end of China Inc.

15 Sep 2016 20:30 GMT China, Business & Economy, Unemployment
There's a magic formula to becoming a millionaire in China - borrow big to earn big.
For years, individuals, state-owned companies and municipalities have taken massive loans to chase the Chinese dream.
Now it's payback time, but a severe economic slowdown means many are struggling to pay their debts.
Entire neighbourhoods have become "ghost towns", industrial companies sit idle and the unemployed are growing desperate.
Government economists claim China has enough in its coffers to cover the bad loans, but defaulting on it could send the world's economy into a tailspin.
101 East asks, is this the end of China Inc?


source = http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2016/09/china-economy-160913081105227.html


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i am waiting for trade war between china & USA = https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/14/china-threatens-to-cut-sales-of-iphones-and-us-cars-if-naive-trump-pursues-trade-war

It looks like that groups in USA and to a certain extent Europe that are preventing a collapse of the Chinese currency. As proof see how they successfully pushed for inclusion of CNY in the IMF reserve basket. The hope and expectation was that foreign reserves that are indexed to that basket will buy CNY supporting the CNY. Also they may be pumping money into CNY via overpriced IPOs of Chinese companies. However, beware that these equities can remain overpriced for a LOT LONGER than you can remain solvent.
Actual Chinese GDP size is unknown but may be much less than 10 trillion USD
Total Chinese debt is probably more than the oft cited figure of 30 trillion
With this Debt/GDP ratio, capital controls, fake statistics and opacity the CNY does not qualify to be included in the reserve basket.

An effective boycott of Chinese goods would crush the Chinese economy. Chinese goods routed through third countries (eg Canada) must be included in the boycott.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Don't forget China is also an South Asian country.

Similarly, Don't forget India is also located in Latin America. Nigeria is a western European country and Ukraine is there in Africa.

 

[aditya10r]

Similarly, Don't forget India is also located in Latin America. Nigeria is a western European country and Ukraine is there in Africa.

And pakistan is a country that has no relation with earth.................

 

[Mikesingh]

Let's face it. We can't hold a candle to China were investments are concerned. They have invested over $20 billion recently in Bangladesh (incl loans). India gave a measly $2 billion line of credit to Bangladesh & pledged $5 billion worth of investments.

So China will always have the upper hand as their economy can afford to splurge far more dosh than India can ever dream of!

 

[IndianHawk]

Let's face it. We can't hold a candle to China were investments are concerned. They have invested over $20 billion recently in Bangladesh (incl loans). India gave a measly $2 billion line of credit to Bangladesh & pledged $5 billion worth of investments.

So China will always have the upper hand as their economy can afford to splurge far more dosh than India can ever dream of!

We can't out cash them alright .
May be in Latin America and in Africa we can't compete but in South Asia and South East Asia we can sure up the ante. Afterall this is core area for our strategic interest .

We can band together with Japan and America and counter Chinese influence.
Same way port projects in Bangladesh were taken away from china .

Secondaly our priority must be to utilize the infrastructure the Chinese create to our advantage

Let them build roads in Bangladesh we need to remove trade barriers so that our goods can travel on these roads to interiors of BD.
Same goes for entire one road one belt .

We can convert challenge into opportunity.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

their economy can afford to splurge far more dosh than India can ever dream of!

May be today but it's not ever for sure. India's GDP growth rate and growth outlook is way brighter for sure. Like India of 2015 is completely different than India of 2005 in geopolitics, 2025's India will also be a way more brighter and influential country than that of 2015.

 

[rockey 71]

Let's face it. We can't hold a candle to China were investments are concerned. They have invested over $20 billion recently in Bangladesh (incl loans). India gave a measly $2 billion line of credit to Bangladesh & pledged $5 billion worth of investments.

So China will always have the upper hand as their economy can afford to splurge far more dosh than India can ever dream of!

Also we are their top customer for defense eqpt after Pakistan. And the terms are liberal. We train with/in PLA all the time. China is our lone trusted ally in international diplomacy. Her permanent presence in UNSC is a source of relief for us. And never ever have we found any bullying / bossing attitude by the Chinese.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

And never ever have we found any bullying / bossing attitude by the Chinese.

Ask to China's neighbors. It's very usual.:biggrin2:

 

[Mikesingh]

May be today but it's not ever for sure. India's GDP growth rate and growth outlook is way brighter for sure. Like India of 2015 is completely different than India of 2005 in geopolitics, 2025's India will also be a way more brighter and influential country than that of 2015.

Remember, China's GDP is nearly eight times ours. It will take forever to catch up.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Remember, China's GDP is nearly eight times ours. It will take forever to catch up.

5 times not 8 times, it'll take between 30-50 years to be equal. Out population is going to be 40-60% higher than China in 2045. (Medium Fertility variant). If we can sustain current growth for next 10-15 years, gap in growrha will automatically enlargen due to China's declining population. As India's fertility rate remains moderate, neither high, nor low, we can have 70% of China's GDP per capita or 30% of USA in 3 decades from now.
In brief, increment in labour force result in increment in production as well as consumption, specially when price is low. In China, labour priced are rising and population is declining; simply their efforts to change themselves into a high income economy from a middle income economy, more efforts to welfare instead of enchancing production, obviously slowing down growth meanwhile India has to and is fast tracking itself to be an upper middle income country from a lower middle income one.

 

[amoy]

Ask to China's neighbors. It's very usual.:biggrin2:

Of course - here u go -
Chinese companies to help Malaysia build new deepsea
port in Malacca

MALACCA, Malaysia - Three Chinese companies joined hands on Wednesday to help a Malaysian company build a new deep sea port in the Strait of Malacca.

The deep sea port, part of a grander 30 billion-ringgit ($7.2 billion) Melaka Gateway Project, is estimated to cost around eight billion ringgit and will be built with the help of Power China International, Shenzhen Yantian Port Group and Rizhao Port Group.

It is expected to be completed by 2019.

Despite overlapping SCS claims

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Of course - here u go -
Chinese companies to help Malaysia build new deepsea
port in Malacca

In that case, I'm able to list up similar for Afghanistan, Nepal, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh etc.. Issue is Vietnam, Japan. And even if China is doing something nice here, you can apply it to India who's always hated by these Arab wannabe Bangladeshis for anything.

 

[republic_roi97]

Of course - here u go -
Chinese companies to help Malaysia build new deepsea
port in Malacca



Despite overlapping SCS claims

Buddy, China is even investing in Indian railways and participates in yearly exercises does that mean, that we are allies ?
That is just a economic co op something that is happening in between India and China since a long time. That doesn't make us ally unless china wants to be that.

 

[amoy]

In that case, I'm able to list up similar for Afghanistan, Nepal, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh etc.. Issue is Vietnam, Japan. And even if China is doing something nice here, you can apply it to India who's always hated by these Arab wannabe Bangladeshis for anything.

Do u mean whatever good India does, they (South Asian peers) would hate u as usual?

In that case I would say u haven't done enough. If India is able to pour 30 billion-ringgit ($7.2 billion) things would be a lot different.

Chinese are probably the most rational and pragmatic in the world.

Problems with Japan Vietnam Malaysia... Yes. Those troubles don't go away overnight but everyone in the loop adopts a business-as-usual attitude and keeps others engaged. Most of time the seas are quite calm. And all those ties (the bigger picture) - trade, investment, tourism, ethnic Chinese minority, military interactions - make both refrain from escalating occasional tensions. Malaysia in particular downplays frictions with China, and vice versa.

So u see, Indonesia and Malaysia procure military equipment from China despite overlapping claims. What u hear is only the Philippines and Vietnam sometimes got antagonistic. However, now the dust is off - Prez. Duterte visited China and Filipino fishermen are back to Scaborough Shoal. Vietnamese are the most nationalistic, maybe. But just a visit of Vietnam would make u understand why Vietnam is just a mini-version of China, like Nepal is to India.

Buddy, China is even investing in Indian railways and participates in yearly exercises does that mean, that we are allies ?
That is just a economic co op something that is happening in between India and China since a long time. That doesn't make us ally unless china wants to be that.

Oh u need to hear what Malaysian PM has to say
China a true friend and strategic partner, says Najib
Malaysian PM to sign 'significant' defence deal with China amid US strains

 

[armyofhind]

Well, Chinese have the expertise and above all MONEY.

For such mega projects a proven TRACK RECORD of building and operating ports is of utmost importance. Apart from Colombo and Gwadar, there're -

ISRAEL- China Wins Israeli Port Tender, Mediterranean Hub
GREECE- COSCO Shipping's investment in Piraeus port multi-win
AUSTRALIA- Chinese company secures 99-year lease of Darwin port

These are all commercial in developed countries. No naval base involved.

In addition among the world's Biggest Shipping Companies
there're Cosco (4th) Evergreen (Taiwan 5th) Yang Ming (Taiwan 10th) and OOCL (Hong Kong 12th) from Great China. When port facilities are in place u need fleets to use / serve them. Chinese happan to have them too.

Japanese and Koreans used to sail full steam. Unfortunately they're struggling to make ends meet these years. Chinese have risen as the strongest contender therefore.

Japanese and Koreans are not "struggling to make ends meet" like you claim. There's nothing like that. They have owned and operated some of the world biggest and most respected shipping companies and they still do.

Moreover, Chinese companies are winning contracts because of their cheaper bids for their tenders. Not because they have a good "track record". LOL.
The only thing chinese are capable of producing is cheap, low cost stuff... due in part to the cheap labour workforce and in part to the inferior quality metal and alloys used.

I know firsthand what pathetic chinese construction is, having worked on Chinese built ships, as well as Russian, Japanese and Korean built ones.

The first start falling apart within 5 to 6 years of use while the latter ones still have lesser problems after even 20 years.

And you're naming COSCO?? I have been to the COSCO shipyard in Zhanjiang. The standards of safety you guys follow is to say the least, abysmal.

Try and make a fool out of someone else, who's not well informed. It wont work here.