The Syrian Crisis

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Morsi cuts Egypt's Syria ties, condemns Hezbollah


Egyptian president says Cairo decided to break off relations with Syria, adds Hezbollah must leave Syria and urges world powers to enforce no-fly zone

He also warned Assad's allies in the Iranian-backed Lebanese Shi'ite militia to pull back from fighting in Syria: "We stand against Hezbollah in its aggression against the Syrian people," Morsi said. "Hezbollah must leave Syria - these are serious words. There is no space or place for Hezbollah in Syria."

Mohamed Morsi urged world powers not to hesitate to enforce a no-fly zone over Syria.

Morsi cuts Egypt's Syria ties, condemns Hezbollah - Israel News, Ynetnews
 

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Russia Says No-Fly Zone Over Syria Would Be Illegal : The Two-Way : NPR

Deborah says meetings are taking place between Western officials and Salim Idriss, the commander of the Supreme Military Council, an umbrella group including the Free Syrian Army, about the logistics of weapons shipments.

Idriss, a moderate, is favored by Western and Arab governments allied against the Assad regime over more extreme elements in the insurgency, she says.

"He's a moderate. He's the one who will get those arms," Deborah says. "His rebels have been vetted by Western intelligence agencies. He's going to ask for more in those meetings. He needs to take out those helicopters, pierce those tanks, but he's not going to get everything he wants."
U.S. proposes $50MILLION A DAY no-fly zone in Syria after finding proof that government used chemical weapons against rebels | Mail Online

U.S. credibility on Iran at stake in Syria | Shadow Government | Shadow Government


This can lead to clouded analysis and false policy choices. For example, some argue that the United States should avoid involvement in Syria to ensure that resources are available to deal with Iran. In reality, both Iran's activities in Syria and its nuclear ambitions are part of a broader Iranian strategy to project power, enhance its regional influence, and constrain the United States and its regional allies.

Likewise, many analysts were surprised by Hezbollah's open admission of its deep involvement in Syria, because they viewed the group as primarily a Lebanese political party or as engaged in fighting Israel. While both of these are true, they neglect that Hezbollah is more fundamentally a group created to project Iranian power into the Levant, a mission with which its Syrian venture -- as well as its activities in Iraq during the last decade -- is perfectly compatible.

Western officials' inattention to this broader picture has real strategic consequences for U.S. interests. No matter how much American policymakers stress that the "military option" is on the table with respect to Iran's nuclear program, Washington's failure to push back on Iranian aggression in Syria, and the European Union's reluctance to penalize Hezbollah for its actions, undercut the credibility of Western warnings. Whatever the view of the West, for Tehran these issues, as well as the West's responses to them, are inextricably connected.

And not just for Tehran -- America's allies in the region also see U.S. actions in different theaters as linked, and they view with alarm Washington's passivity in the region. Consequently, American influence is everywhere diminished as friends and foes alike increasingly factor Washington out of policy decisions, and the force of America's allies collectively is reduced as each pursues policies independently not just of the United States but, to a great extent, of one another.

Once lost, influence is costly to regain, which gives rise to a vicious cycle. Re-establishing U.S. influence and credibility requires actions that, as crises deepen and multiply, become costlier as time passes, which reinforces the argument against taking them. Nowhere is this more evident than in Syria.

Costly interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan have soured U.S. officials on further entanglement in the Middle East. But disengaging from the region will only add to the costs of those wars, not compensate for them.

One lesson we must learn from those conflicts, however, is to have clear objectives and to pursue them economically. When it comes to Iran, the objective has never been and should not become merely limiting Iranian nuclear activities, but disrupting the strategy of which both the nuclear program and Syria, as well as Iran's asymmetric actions, are parts. A non-nuclear Iran emboldened by victory in Syria remains dangerous.

The economical way to begin countering Iran's strategy is not to wait for a last-resort strike on Iranian nuclear facilities, or worse yet to continue offering Iran nuclear concessions in hopes it will bite; rather, it is to press Iran in a place like Syria, where it is far from home and perhaps overextended.

Defeating Iranian designs in Syria will not halt Tehran's nuclear ambitions, but it may restore in the eyes of Iranian and allied officials alike the credibility of American power, and force Tehran to reconsider the costs of its strategy. For Iran, Major General Safavi reminds us, has a strategy in the Middle East; the United States must as well.
 

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There we have it yanks directly aiding terrorists just like they aided osama in the past.

These terrorists serve triple benefit to yanks:

1. proper govts (not lackeys) are overthrown
2. science and advancement goes down the drain with barbarian wahabis at the helm thus no potential competition
3. can later invade with the good old democracy and freedom excuse.

rinse and repeat!
Don't you love the Nobel Peace Prize? It's amazing how it is always awarded to the people who contribute to peace within humanity!

The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 - Presentation Speech

....the question was actually quite simple. Who has done most for peace in the past year? If the question is put in Nobel's terms, the answer is relatively easy to find: it had to be U.S. President Barack Obama. Only rarely does one person dominate international politics to the same extent as Obama, or in such a short space of time initiate so many and such major changes as Obama has done. The question for the Committee was rather whether it would be bold enough to single out the most powerful man in the world, with the responsibility and the obligations that come with the office of the President of the United States.

....

It is now, today, that we have the opportunity to support President Obama's ideas. This year's prize is indeed a call to action to all of us.

The Committee knows that many will weigh his ideals against what he really does, and that should be welcomed. But if the demand is either to fulfil your ideals to the letter, and at once, or to stop having ideals, we are left with a most damaging division between the limits of today's realities and the vision for tomorrow. Then politics becomes pure cynicism. Political leaders must be able to think beyond the often narrow confines of realpolitik. Only in this way can we move the world in the right direction.

Obama has achieved a great deal. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Former Secretary-General Dag Hammarskjöld said that "the U.N. was not created to take humanity to heaven, but to save it from hell". The U.S.A. is now paying its bills to the U.N. It is joining various committees, and acceding to important conventions. International standards are again respected. Torture is forbidden; the President is doing what he can to close Guantanamo. Human rights and international law are guiding principles. This is why this year's Laureate has earned the praise of the leaders of international institutions. New opportunities have been created.

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China is steadily moving to the forefront of international politics and the global economy. There has been a sense in America that many of the greatest challenges can only be met in close cooperation with the People's Republic of China. For instance, no country has polluted more than the U.S.A., and no country will pollute more than China in the future. The economies of the two countries are closely intertwined. The rise of new Great Powers often leads to war and conflict. There are those in America who fear that history may repeat itself in that respect. The Obama administration's cooperation with Beijing means that we have little reason to fear such a repetition.

.......

Today yet another American president is trying to renew internationalism. He reaffirms that the U.S.A. must lead together with others. Walls must be torn down. As he put it in his speech in Berlin in July 2008: "The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christians and Muslims and Jews cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down".

This must surely be Nobel's "fraternity between nations".
 

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Assad must be running low on tanks/helicopters

 
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US & its lackeys are the fountainhead of all terrorism in the world. They keep finding one pretext or another for arming terrorists. This conflict would help us identify the real US lackeys & Al-Qaida sponsors. Also, lets see if Russia is the lone bulwark against US sponsored terrorists or China also has some clout/wherewithal to stand up against abashed US hegemony in this region. After getting a bloody nose in Iraq & Af-stan by self-created Frankenstein's, US is all set to burn its fingers in Syria. Well done, stupid Obama. You are as stupid as but more diabolical than Jr. Bush.
 

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DebKA is an interesting site

Turkish police catch Al Qaeda-linked Syrian Al Nusra terrorists
DEBKAfile June 15, 2013, 5:04 PM (GMT+02:00)
In raids in Istanbul and southern cities near the Syrian border, Turkey police Friday arrested 12 members of al Qaeda's Syrian affiliate, Al Nusra Front. Found in their possession were four and a half pounds of sarin nerve gas, hand guns, grenades, bullets and documents for what the Turkish daily Zaman reported was to be a bomb attack on the Turkish town of Adana..
 

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Found in their possession were four and a half pounds of sarin nerve gas, hand guns, grenades, bullets and documents
Finally the Terrorists gets WMD..
 

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Syrian TV: IAF Bombed Syrian Airport

The IDF is refusing to comment on a report on a Syrian television channel associated with the rebels, according to which Israel attacked the Al Maza airport west of Damascus. The IDF Spokesperson's office says they never comment on this kind of reports.

The Suria Mubasher TV channel said Israel bombed advanced weapons and Radar systems that had been transported to the airport recently. Witnesses said the explosion was very large, and that neither the government nor the rebels possess the means to create an explosion of such magnitude.

» Syrian TV: IAF Bombed Syrian Airport
 

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^^^ If true, how long can assad not retaliate. He has to "show" action for his people, else it will be a lose of face. And lose of face is a BIG thing in the region.
 

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Email to George Holding, Congressional Representative, 13th District, North Carolina, USA:



Name: Mr. William G. Ewald II

Address: 727 Cameron Woods Drive,
City/State/Zip: Apex, NC 27523 3725

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There is no reason for Congress to allow the President to start another war by sending weapons or troops to Syria, or by attacking Syrian forces by any means. The killings in Benghazi last year were caused by covert operations to supply weapons from Libya to rebels in Syria. It is absurd.
 

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@W.G.Ewald, if US is deploying assets on the border, who are they aiming to eliminate? Assad or the islamists? Where does the pendulum sway?
John McCain of Arizona last week on the floor of the Senate clearly demanded war against Assad.
 
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Obama: I'm Not Dick Cheney, and Syria Isn't Iraq -- Daily Intelligencer

Still, Obama shot down the idea that he's been too hesitant on Syria:

This argument that somehow we had gone in earlier or heavier in some fashion, that the tragedy and chaos taking place in Syria wouldn't be taking place, I think is wrong. "¦ The fact of the matter is, the way these situations get resolved is politically. And the people who are being suppressed inside of Syria who develop into a military opposition — these folks are carpenters and blacksmiths and dentists. These aren't professional fighters. The notion that there was some professional military inside of Syria for us to immediately support a year ago or two years ago [is wrong].

Obama also noted that the U.S. has taken time to forge relationships with more moderate rebel groups, as opposed to those affiliated with Al Qaeda. "One of the challenges that we have is that some of the most effective fighters within the opposition have been those who frankly are not particularly [friendly] towards the United States of America, and arming them willy-nilly is not a good recipe for meeting American interests over the long term," said Obama.

The president went on to address those who make the opposite argument, saying there should be more aggressive intervention. Obama rattled off a list of the potential consequences of making a bad call in Syria, and said that unless you've been poring over intelligence in the Situation Room, "it's kind of hard for you to understand the complexities of the situation." He added, "We know what it's like to rush into a war in the Middle East without having thought it through."
Italian DM: Will Syria Boil Over Into Regional Conflict? | Defense News | defensenews.com

"Syria is coming increasingly to resemble the Spanish Civil War," Mario Mauro, who was named defense minister in the Italian coalition government, told Defense News.

"Lebanon could find itself in a big crisis within days due to the presence of Hezbollah, while Turkey is undergoing its own problems. There are all the elements for this regional crisis to explode," he said.

"There is the conflict between Sunnis and Shiites, but there are also the regional players maneuvering. Muslim fundamentalism is involved, but not central," he added.

Mauro, whose government took office in April, said the war risked reigniting full-scale hostilities between Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq.

"Don't forget that Iraqis are fighting with Al Nusra," he said, referring to the grouping of Sunni fighters in Syria challenging the government of Bashar Al-Assad.

What started out as a local civil war in Spain in 1936 turned global as Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy backed Gen. Francisco Franco's forces against the Spanish government, which was backed by the Soviet Union, while Europe's democracies decided against intervention.
 

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Italian DM: Will Syria Boil Over Into Regional Conflict? | Defense News | defensenews.com
Mauro's analogy with the Spanish Civil War, which has been made before and disputed by analysts on both sides of the Atlantic, was partly accepted by Eyal.

"The analogy is partly correct, given the number of proxies involved, but the difference is that Syria is a sectarian war, not an ideological war," he said.

"Additionally, all the players involved have a sense of inferiority. The Arab monarchies are on the wrong foot because of the Arab springs, Iran because it fears it could lose its Syrian ally, Hezbollah because it fears being split from Iran and Turkey because it is worried that a break up of Syria would lead to a Kurdish state," he said.

"This is not a war where the sides are showing off their prowess, in the way the Fascists in Spain showed they were a force for the future. Here you cannot afford not to be involved."

An Italy-based analyst said the religious element in the Syrian conflict is getting stronger as the sides use religious ties to pull allies into the fray. "As an example, Shiite fighters arrived from Iran and Iraq to defend the Sayyidah Zaynab mosque, which is an important Shiite place of worship," said Gianmarco Volpe, the head of the Middle East desk at the Centre for International Studies in Rome.

The enmity generated by religious conflicts outstripped the ideological differences of the Spanish Civil War, he said. "After the political wars in Europe, people from both sides managed to coexist, whereas that could prove difficult in Syria, if Iraq is anything to go by. Religious wars appear to generate even more hatred than ethnic wars."

Russia's backing of Assad has meanwhile lent a Cold War element to the fray.

"Russia is furious at the West for using international law to do what it wants, as it did in Libya," Eyal said, "and there is also the sale of Russian weapons to Syria to protect. The West failed to see the extent of Russian entrenchment in Syria."

Volpe said Russia's claim it was selling S300 air defense missile systems to Syria was "a diplomatic gesture" aimed at the West.

Eyal concluded that as the Syria war continues, it could come to mirror another conflict more recent than the Spanish Civil War.

"I believe Assad will not be able to restore the authority he had but could remain in power alongside pockets of resistance," he said. "Syria could become a proxy war that everyone, from Hezbollah to Turkey has an interest in keeping going. As such, Syria could come to resemble Lebanon in the 1980s."
 

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Syrian angst over foreign rebel fighters


"I know my son. He wouldn't kill anyone," says Tunisian mother Latifa in Damascus

"I want to apologise to Syrian mothers," wailed Latifa from Tunisia. "I didn't know my son was coming here. We want to tell you our sons were brainwashed."
Article and video: BBC News - Syrian angst over foreign rebel fighters

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Not Syrian, yet "Syrian" Freedom fighter.
 

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Syrian angst over foreign rebel fighters


"I know my son. He wouldn't kill anyone," says Tunisian mother Latifa in Damascus

Article and video: BBC News - Syrian angst over foreign rebel fighters

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Not Syrian, yet "Syrian" Freedom fighter.

This shit is turning into the Thirty Years' War of our times

Catholic = Sunni
Protestant = Shia

Saudi Arabia = Spain
Egypt = France
The other gulf states = The small papal states

Iran = Sweden

Israel/USA = the Ottomans

Iraq/Syria/Libya = Germany/Netherlands/England

The Thirty Years War resulted in a over 30% of the male population of Germany/Netherlands/England getting killed or wounded. Is that what it will take before the Middle East regains its sanity?
 

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This situation slowly but steadily moving in the direction that was stated by me several months ago that is to engulf the all the Arab countries fighting each other based on ideological and the Culture of Tribalism they live in. This fire can spread further into regions of Africa and Asia if these idiots keep falling into trap which was set after the 9/11 incident.
 

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This shit is turning into the Thirty Years' War of our times

Catholic = Sunni
Protestant = Shia

Saudi Arabia = Spain
Egypt = France
The other gulf states = The small papal states

Iran = Sweden

Israel/USA = the Ottomans

Iraq/Syria/Libya = Germany/Netherlands/England

The Thirty Years War resulted in a over 30% of the male population of Germany/Netherlands/England getting killed or wounded. Is that what it will take before the Middle East regains its sanity?
I gotta say this bud, you are indeed a very sharp fellow!

That was indeed a remarkable observation, and I couldn't agree more.
 

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I gotta say this bud, you are indeed a very sharp fellow!

That was indeed a remarkable observation, and I couldn't agree more.
Well, @t_co was always a historical and political expert. He doesn't make mistakes on these things :)
 
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@t_co
As per your analogy, then spain lost influenece in europe, hence as per your analogy, would saudi (i.e. gcc) would loose influence in west asia?? Also sweden was a beneficiary of the war, so iran will benefit from the larger conflict??

Also netherlands won independence/curtailed spainish influence there, similarly syria will also curtail saudi influence in the region?? Also germany was made defunct i.e. decentralised. So iraq will split??

Also as per you, france=egypt. Am not sure egypt can retain/regain the importance it previously had on arab street. Its strategic importance is below gcc as of now.

Also one of the biggest outcome of the war was that both catholics and protestants did not fight any big wars later on. later wars (esp big ones) were more on nationalistic/ethnic ones. So this means no big ideology war in west asia after this?? How will the map of west asia look after this bigger war??

Though its a very interesting comparison, maybe players are assigned differently. But none the less a very interesting comparison.
 
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