The Rise of China : Strategic Implications.

[rockdog]

‘India is welcome to join China-South Asia grouping’

‘India is welcome to join China-South Asia grouping’

Bangladesh denies the group was meant to exclude India.

www.thehindu.com

Bangladesh denies the group was meant to exclude India.



India can join the China-led South Asian initiative for COVID-19 vaccines and poverty alleviation too if it so desires, said Bangladesh Foreign Minister A.K. Abdul Momen, denying that a six-nation grouping launched earlier this month was meant to exclude India. The creation of the China-South Asian Countries Emergency Supplies Reserve, and a Poverty Alleviation and Cooperative Development Centre set up in China on July 8, the outcome of a meeting of the Foreign Ministers of China, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka in April, had raised eyebrows in New Delhi, as it appeared to leave out only India, Bhutan and the Maldives.
In dire need of vaccines
“The Chinese approached us at a time we were in dire need of vaccines,” Mr. Momen told The Hindu in an interaction on the sidelines of the connectivity conference in Tashkent last week, explaining that India’s decision to suspend vaccine exports, including to Bangladesh, who had contracted and made advance payments for 5 million doses of Covishield per month, had become a “big issue” in the country, particularly as many had taken the first dose of the vaccine and had no access to the second.
Mr. Momen said that after Bangladesh requested vaccines from China, Foreign Minister Wang Yi decided to convene the six-nation China-South Asia meeting, where he suggested setting up a poverty alleviation centre to deal with economic issues arising in South Asia due to COVID, an e-commerce economic cooperation forum and an emergency storage facility for vaccines.
“We asked, how about India, and the Chinese [government] said this forum is open to India and India is welcome. In fact, even at the Foreign Minister’s meeting which included Pakistan, they said India would be welcome to join,” Mr. Momen said, stressing that the issues involved in the forum are common to all South Asian countries battling COVID and its impact on GDPs in the region.

Aggression on LAC
The Ministry of External Affairs did not respond to a question on whether India had been invited to the forum or would consider joining the China-South Asia centre, now being established in the Southern Chinese city of Chongqing, in the future. However, given continuing tensions over Chinese PLA aggression at the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, and New Delhi’s firm stand that other bilateral relations cannot move ahead without a resolution of the boundary stand-off, it is understood that India would be unlikely to consider a new grouping involving China, especially one that could be seen to dilute its role in the SAARC region.

The absence of India from the grouping as well as from a series of consultations on COVID relief between the Chinese Vice Foreign Minister and different combinations of all SAARC member countries (other than India and Bhutan) led some experts to suggest this was meant to be a “Minus India” initiative. India is the only country of all eight SAARC nations that has not requested or accepted Chinese COVID vaccines.
Last week, Bhutan announced that it had been sent 50,000 doses of Sinopharm from the Chinese government, (along with 500,000 doses from the U.S. and another 350,000 from the EU) after the Indian decision to suspend its Vaccine Maitri programme after the second wave of the pandemic had left it in the lurch for second doses.
Mr. Momen said the pending Indian deliveries for Bangladesh had also come up for discussion during his meeting with External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar in Tashkent last Thursday, and although India has promised to export the vaccines as soon as production levels are sufficient, no firm timeline has been given yet. Meanwhile, Bangladesh is managing with vaccines received from China, U.S., Europe and Japan.
“I hope the situation [in India] improves faster, and then they can afford to give vaccines to us, but we can understand [India’s] problems and naturally, we cannot push them too much,” Mr. Momen added. He also said that he had discussed the importance of resolving water-sharing agreements including on Teesta river, as well as a proposal for developing a number of riverine channels between Bangladesh and India to improve trade and transport connectivity, during his meeting with Mr. Jaishankar.

 

[johnq]

#115 Falun Gong: The Biggest Threat to the CCP’s Power
How did a peaceful qigong and meditation practice practice based on Buddhist principles become the biggest threat to the Chinese Communist Party? Joining us today on China Unscripted is Levi Browde. He’s the Executive Director of the Falun Dafa Information Center. It’s an organization dedicated to ending the human rights abuses against Falun Gong in China.

 

[johnq]

U.S., U.K., Allies Tie Chinese Government to Microsoft Hack

The U.S., U.K. and their allies formally attributed the Microsoft Exchange hack to actors affiliated with the Chinese government and accused Beijing’s leadership of a broad array of “malicious cyber activities,” escalating last week’s tensions between the White House and China.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[ezsasa]

CIA creates new mission centers focused on China and technology

CIA creates new mission centers focused on China and technology

In announcing the changes, the CIA director referred to "increasingly adversarial Chinese government" as the "most important geopolitical threat we face in the 21st century."

www.cbsnews.com

 

[asianobserve]

Secret group of US military trainers has been in Taiwan for at least a year

Secret group of US military trainers has been in Taiwan for at least a year

Small contingent of US special forces and marines training local forces in latest sign of rising US-China tensions

www.theguardian.com

US boots are on the ground in Taiwan.

 

[asianobserve]

How little Lithuania dragged the EU into its showdown with China

The diplomatic showdown between Lithuania and the world’s second-largest economy began with just one word.

In August, Vilnius authorized Taiwan’s request to set up a “Taiwanese” representative office in the country. Using that name offended Beijing, which insists the island is part of China and prefers “Taipei” to be used instead.

The row quickly escalated. Though Vilnius stressed the move did not reflect a challenge to Beijing’s “One China” policy, the decision — the first of its kind in Europe — was seen by many as a potential first step toward eventually recognizing Taiwan as a separate country.

How little Lithuania dragged the EU into its showdown with China

The country isn’t the first to tangle with Beijing — but it’s unusual in that Vilnius has little to lose from the spat.

www.politico.eu

 

[Hari Sud]

China exists as long the West (The Europe and US) will continue to place orders with them. The export cash generated by the Chinese is key to their belligerence. It is the Wall Street with profit motive encourages companies to source the cheapest, although third rate supply chain products from China. It lowers the product cost and generates higher profits. The Wall Street loves it.

Although the West’s hegemony is threatened but the Wall Street will not let the companies develop alternative sources of supply. It is the same process which they used from 1998 to 2015, when a trillion dollars FDI was sent to China. If they pump in money elsewhere with cheap labour and competent labour, then in just 10 years time, alternative sources of supply chain items, consumer goods will rise. Then only Chinese belligerence will stop. But America with Biden in the Whitehouse is so weak that they will do nothing to offend China. the Chinese are taking advantage of that.

Cheers…..

 

[asianobserve]

Solomon islanders... "We don't want China!"

Australia sending troops to Solomon islands...

This is what AUKUS is about.

 

[Cheepek]

China ate Uganda's international airport.

"The agreement provides that UCAA cannot use any of the accrued money for whatever expenditure without approval from Beijing."

Uganda Surrenders Airport for China Cash

Top Ugandan officials have been boxed into a corner of bother after lenders in China rejected their request to re-negotiate 'toxic clauses' in the $200m (Shs713b) loan picked six years ago to expand Entebbe International Airport.

allafrica.com

 

[pipebomb]

Interesting short read i enjoyed. I apologise if posted earlier

The China threat and lessons from the collapse of the Soviet Union | The Strategist

This month marks 30 years since the USSR collapsed voluntarily. It’s rare in world history that such a militarily powerful empire disappears without going to war. The Soviet Union had 12,000 strategic nuclear warheads, 260 ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

 

[Tshering22]

Interesting short read i enjoyed. I apologize if posted earlier

The China threat and lessons from the collapse of the Soviet Union | The Strategist

This month marks 30 years since the USSR collapsed voluntarily. It’s rare in world history that such a militarily powerful empire disappears without going to war. The Soviet Union had 12,000 strategic nuclear warheads, 260 ...

www.aspistrategist.org.au

Fantastic read! I really wish that there are more such papers that ORF is able to churn out that is more diverse compared to the current obsession with soft power and military-centrism only towards Pakistan.

The biggest advantage (and disadvantage) that China has is as the article points out, no experience in serious covert operations or modern warfare tactics. So whatever it has to do, it needs to do it right in the first go. Meaning if it is able to strike big, say, use a barrage of heavy artillery and shock troops to take over some strategic position before the opposing party can mount a retaliation.

However, one wrong move and shit can hit the fan for them pretty hard. This is what happened in both Doklam and the Galwan valley, albeit on a much smaller scale. Sustained combat without solid experience will expose their cracks.

 

[no smoking]

The biggest advantage (and disadvantage) that China has is as the article points out, no experience in serious covert operations or modern warfare tactics. So whatever it has to do, it needs to do it right in the first go. Meaning if it is able to strike big, say, use a barrage of heavy artillery and shock troops to take over some strategic position before the opposing party can mount a retaliation.

Firstly, are you sure you really understand what the Chinese warfare tactics are? They are always aiming at the opposite retaliation force first. That is how they won the civil war and how they planned for WW3. Taking over some strategic position is never on the top of list.

However, one wrong move and shit can hit the fan for them pretty hard. This is what happened in both Doklam and the Galwan valley, albeit on a much smaller scale. Sustained combat without solid experience will expose their cracks.

Ok, kid, Doklam and Galwan valley are all pee contests, neither side is preparing a war.
Sustained combat?
A country fought 8 years in ww2;
and another 2 years with one of the 2 superpower outside her border;
after that, she had been confranted and conflicted with another superpower for more than 10 years;
In the whole 1980s, this country has been fighting with Vietnames within Vietnam.

You think this country has on experience in sustained combat? Think again.

By the way, during the second Sino-vietnam war, one of their typical tactics was sending out a small force to take some strategic hills and bombarding the coming Vietnam's retaliation force.

 

[Tshering22]

Firstly, are you sure you really understand what the Chinese warfare tactics are? They are always aiming at the opposite retaliation force first. That is how they won the civil war and how they planned for WW3. Taking over some strategic position is never on the top of list.

China won the civil war by waiting it out against the nationalist forces, who spent most of their energy and resources along with the Allies fighting the imperial Japanese.

Ok, kid, Doklam and Galwan valley are all pee contests, neither side is preparing a war.
Sustained combat? A country fought 8 years in ww2; and another 2 years with one of the 2 superpowers outside her border; after that, she had been confronted and conflicted with another superpower for more than 10 years; In the whole 1980s, this country has been fighting with Vietnamese within Vietnam.

Two superpowers, my ass. China's peak combat capabilities were in the Korean War that too because it was backed through and through by the USSR in every possible way. The last of its war-fighting frenzy was in a short war against us in 62. The frenzy didn't last with us after that mismanaged war and got their responses in 67, 84 and 87.

What superpowers are you talking about?

Mao's ego nearly got China nuked at the hands of the Soviet Union. Not to mention the clobbering that PLA got in the Sino-Soviet skirmish on all fronts in 69. It is well documented how Mao had to pull forces back after Khrushchev threatened to nuke Beijing and Shanghai if the 1969 conflict continued.

Oh, and did you forget the beating that they received at the hands of Viet Minh? A broken, divided country that had troops made up of rice farmers, drove both Allied powers as well as China out.

You think this country has experience in sustained combat? Think again.

Yes, because those who fought in the Korean war are long dead or are on the verge of dying. They are no longer on-field and warfare tactics have changed since the last time they sent human waves to die for communism.

By the way, during the second Sino-Vietnam war, one of their typical tactics was sending out a small force to take some strategic hills and bombarding coming Vietnam's retaliation force.

A tactic that they have been trying with everyone since then and failing.

You are misunderstanding me; I am not underestimating their obsession with expansion - I am merely saying that they are not going to get a clean sweep in any war, unlike the 11 foot PLA soldier image that they like to portray.

There is a reason why China attacks the way it does - using manipulation and imagery. That is because there is something that they are hiding which they don't want the world to know about. And it falls flat when it starts trying to bully countries that can hit back.

 

[KurtisBrian]

A 2022 survey of How citizens of various nations view China and relations with China.

In general, America and allies had very unfavourable and falling views of China. Israel is much less negative. Makes me wonder if Israelis more capable of free thought? Perhaps slowly distancing themselves from America and NATO?

Keeping with views and falling opinions ...wikipedia says...

“According to a 2014 BBC World Service poll, 43% of Indian people view the United Kingdom's influence as positive and 27% view as negative. Similarly, 45% of Britons viewed India positively and 46% negatively.[5] “

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–United_Kingdom_relations

I wonder if Indian views of Britain have fallen in the past 10-20 years? Sadly, I cannot find any additional data. I wonder because it seems as though in general people are, now, more prone to express dislike, anger or rage.

https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/the-rise-of-china-strategic-implications.2716/page-38

 

[Azaad]

CCP doing what CCP does best. Rewriting Dale Carnegie's - How to win friends & influence people Part -2 .

 

[Azaad]

 

[Hari Sud]

Chinese perfidy in the Ukraine war

If there is anybody who has silently exploited Russian - Ukrainian war, it is China. They felt compelled to exploit the white man’s war in Europe to its advantage. When America is busy flighting this proxy war, Chinese cooled off its desire to invade Taiwan. They thought, that this war will weaken both US/NATO and Russia sufficiently that they would proclaim themselves as the leader of the world and grab Taiwan and whatever else it wants in the Pacafic.

The Americans never understood this angle of the overall strategy at all. In fact they began to give Chinese room to maneuvered themselves. First the Americans built China with huge money & technology to back stab Russia. This did not happen. The Chinese secretly wished to expel America from the Pacific and all that money and technology which the American sent to build up China in fact now will freely be used to expel America from the Pacific. The thick head Americans never understood that Chinese game plan. They instead kept on walking into the Chinese economic trap by dismantling most of manufacturing in America and sending it over to China. Now Americans are dependent on China for lower end products and in recent years on supply chain products which everything America needs. Now China is number two world’s economic power.

The starting of White Man’s war in Ukraine offered the Chinese the opportunity to double exert their political and economic influence. First, the Chinese are siding with Russia which is not beneficial to American influence paddling. Second, the weakened America will be much easier to be expelled from the Pacific.

Now guess who is going to be number 1 power in the world. Like it or not but Chinese have positioned themselves to be number 1 power.

 

[Blademaster]

Chinese perfidy in the Ukraine war

If there is anybody who has silently exploited Russian - Ukrainian war, it is China. They felt compelled to exploit the white man’s war in Europe to its advantage. When America is busy flighting this proxy war, Chinese cooled off its desire to invade Taiwan. They thought, that this war will weaken both US/NATO and Russia sufficiently that they would proclaim themselves as the leader of the world and grab Taiwan and whatever else it wants in the Pacafic.

The Americans never understood this angle of the overall strategy at all. In fact they began to give Chinese room to maneuvered themselves. First the Americans built China with huge money & technology to back stab Russia. This did not happen. The Chinese secretly wished to expel America from the Pacific and all that money and technology which the American sent to build up China in fact now will freely be used to expel America from the Pacific. The thick head Americans never understood that Chinese game plan. They instead kept on walking into the Chinese economic trap by dismantling most of manufacturing in America and sending it over to China. Now Americans are dependent on China for lower end products and in recent years on supply chain products which everything America needs. Now China is number two world’s economic power.

The starting of White Man’s war in Ukraine offered the Chinese the opportunity to double exert their political and economic influence. First, the Chinese are siding with Russia which is not beneficial to American influence paddling. Second, the weakened America will be much easier to be expelled from the Pacific.

Now guess who is going to be number 1 power in the world. Like it or not but Chinese have positioned themselves to be number 1 power.

I disagree. China’s one child policy has pretty much wrecked President Winnie the Pooh’s plans to be number one power. China’s population has declined for the first time in 60 years. Great powers don’t become superpowers when their population are aging at a fast rate. Soon China will have too many domestic problems to be thinking about fighting long drawn out wars that will only sap the energy out of the remaining young population whose energy is needed to tide over the aging population.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

The basic criterion to be a super power is your manpower and culture. China totally f***ed up the society and culture. Their Girls prefers prostitution over and job. One child and economic prosperity has made their youth lazy. Ladies does not want to deliver baby. You can not survive in and sustain your strength in this condition. US is also a F***ed up country whose society is build on many false narrative. US would have become another UK had many genius migrants would not have been running US systems.

We need to build a spirituality based society. If are able to do it, nobody can stop us from being a super power. I have written off China. I see some hope in countries like Indonesia, Vietnam etc. UK can survive if it can check Islamic radicalisms. France is progressing but I do not know till what time will it be able to survive because I do not know much about France's social system. Whole Europe will go down. Africa has little hope. South Korea is a F**ed up society with no hope. Japan has some hopes but they will have to work on reducing westernization of Japan and adopt more Indian values. Brazilian society is over occupied in foot ball and festival and social structure is mess and it has no hopes. Canada is rulled by a Pappu and people has freedom to choose their Gender. It is a totally Fu**ed up society and last only till immigrants successfully runs it.

In India, we have a danger of our polity fall in wrong hands Commie ideology. Modi need to bring more Indianization into our society. Yogi will do batter. We need to strengthen spirituality and Indian values into our society. Inspite of many limitations and if we are considered as a potential super power is because we have still a lots of spirituality and values left into our society which is a core strength of society. We need to maintain it.