High body count on an annual basis? If our body count is high, I shudder to think what you would make of NATO’s count in afghanistan and Iraq who have been actually involved in a war for last 20 years. Despite having “inferior” gear and training, IA has managed to take on Jihadis better than CoD Task Force.
My bad i dont think you understand what i meant
Any metric that is used as a comparative has to be measured on an X and Y axis. So body count in absolute number tells us nothing. Body count can be measured in terms of Body Count per hr operational (outside the wire), Body Count per Encounter, Body Count per OpFor Killed, Body Count per engagement per number of Onfor and Opfor ........
We loose out to American and UK Numbers visavis any reasonable metric when we send soldiers outside their bases (kashmir, NE, etc etc)
The Indian Army nowhere faces the sophistication of infantry tactics and weaponary that the Americans face in Iraq or Afghanistan and keep in Mind that the Americans are far from home. Not to mention that the Americans are also actively deployed in Asia, Africa and South and Central America -
- America/Nato with their AirPower and tech are miles ahead of us - i was not going to use them as a comparison but since you brought it up you should do some ACTUAL research - Read Outlaw Platoon, My Share of the Task and Relentless Strike to give you a better understanding how conventional us military, SOCOM and JSOC actually have fought for the last 20 years.
Ofcourse the Indian Army will achieve mission objective with whatever gear and training they have., they have been doing it since WWI. But that is neither here nor there. We loose countless soldiers due to bad training, poor kit, poor infra, poor combat medic support and systems - ITS A FACT. (remmeber kargil) - Bravery is what men use when they dont have tools. In India Life is cheap and as long as we have more bodies to throw at the fire than the enemy we will win.
Again i would suggest you go talk to a retired army officer.
Our soldiers operate in a completely hostile environment running CT/CI operations on a daily basis, until August 5 of last year when the terrorists on the ground were finally starved of their political protection. There is no other country in the world that has accumulated as much experience in this field, except for maybe the Sri Lankans and the Mexicans over the past 3 decades. That’s the reason JK has not fallen into the hands of Rawalpindi marauders and Assam, Manipur, Nagaland have not become Chinese territories. Results speaks for themselves.
today half the planet is runing daily COIN operations - India, Pakistan, America, Nato, French, Turks, Syrians, Saudis, Russians, Malaysians, philipinos, Kenyans, Nigerians etc etc etc - So? You think those arnt hostile envoirment. We have been doing it for 4 decades. Now our experience and capability which should have been built on has been lapped by most of the world. We still keep going on about things like its the 90s. RR was a great idea at the time. What evolution has taken place since?
there are enough countries with experience now. And in India we have a poor habit of not building institutional experience down the line with JCOs/NCOs
JK/NE has not fallen into anybody's hands because Pakistan/China doesnt have the capability to take it. Just like we dont have the capability to take Aksai Chin or POK or Tibet. But thats semantics.
Results without context is a fools erand.
PS- regurgitating the same old nonsense that has no bearing with reality only makes you look foolish. Let’s not talk about who is wasting bandwidth here.
PPS- I hope you tell those same generals that the status quo is still the same. In fact, it’s changed to india’s favor recently as Pakis have not been able to conjure up any military response to annexation of JK.
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck usually its a duck. and if old retired duck masters also recognize the duck then thats the way the wind blows.
Like i said - whatever you are talking about is devoid of reality and logic and full of sentiment. You want to pander to the gallery and blindly go Jai Hind - thats on you man. but as a person you will not learn nor evolve.
Also do you believe that WE annexed J&K or Pakistan Annexed POK?
Overall your level of understanding of military affairs and geopolitics seems limited and binary. Pakistan takes its shot on j&K constantly and its twarthed constantly. What has that got to do with the fact that are training levels and capabilities are falling behind. We have over half a million men at arms between the LOC / IB and State (Army, CAPFs, Police, etc etc) - you think Pakistan or China has the capability to move against that? But what will happen is that more men will continue to die with they shouldnt.
Afghan jihadis are superior to JeM, LeT being equipped and trained by a professional army? Are you really this dense? Do you have any clue about the Kashmir insurgency starting from the beginning in the 90s? I dont expect you to know since you clearly have your head in the sand.
NATO is supposed to have superior training to tackle the Jihadis in Afghanistan far more easily with less amount of casualty but now you are saying size is an impediment to that progress and that's why the far higher number of casualties. This is quite comical.
Eh do you think JeM, LeT do not have access to building IeDs and buying RPGs from the Taliban and Paki army? Yet, they are far less effective in using them in Kashmir against IA. Again, these are some wonderful contradictions that you seem to be coming up with all the time to defend your CoD Task Force.
you just cant get yourself to admit that IA, despite having less resources and so-called inferior training, does a better job of containing an insurgency, compared to your Greek Gods, who are now bargaining for a withdrawal with the Taliban. When you lose the gora inferiority complex, come have a discussion.
Unfortunately i dont have the patience or time to refute the rubbish above. But know its Rubbish. Your knowledge of the OPFOR in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kashmir seems extremely limited.
You are comparing the strategic components of the Afghan and Iraq War with Kashmir Conflict without factoring Geopolitics, Regional Politics and Political Will power in engaging in the conflicts. Its apples and oranges and frankly juvenile.
What we ARE comparing are basic infantry tactics - where we are lacking behind. without a shadow of a doubt. (and there are a myriad of reasons for that)
Lastly what the hell is a CoD Task Force.
