Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[rone]

I think hal is on Chinese or pak payrolls

LCA foc extension (again)
LCA inflight refueling delayed for almost 2 yr
LCA sp 9, and sp 10 production mysteries

LCH (god know what happens to it)
Htt 40 trainer

And goes and go
It crippling out AF capability in every aspects

And our mod she is just chilling she don't have gutz or vision as parikar

Have a nice day everyone and sit back and see blabbering from our defense PSU for more f..k ups...

PS: never send fox to do lions job..

 

[vishnugupt]

We should stop criticizing countries like Pakistan, China or Russia for their equipments because we can crash a brand new Aircrafts like today and C-130j which crashed over the Chambal river. Same goes for Navy where literally every Ship, be it AC, Subs, destroyer. met with accidents,

 

[singhboy98]

We should stop criticizing countries like Pakistan, China or Russia for their equipments because we can crash a brand new Aircrafts like today and C-130j which crashed over the Chambal river. Same goes for Navy where literally every Ship, be it AC, Subs, destroyer. met with accidents,

OT : Hey, are you the same Vishnugupt from Bharat Karnad's forum?

 

[Armand2REP]

We should stop criticizing countries like Pakistan, China or Russia for their equipments because we can crash a brand new Aircrafts like today and C-130j which crashed over the Chambal river. Same goes for Navy where literally every Ship, be it AC, Subs, destroyer. met with accidents,

You didn't crash anything, it was a mechanical fault of Russian junk. This fighter was as new as new can be, there should have been no issues. The pilots who fly for HAL are the most experienced in the country so rest assured it was not pilot error.

 

[darshan978]

We should stop criticizing countries like Pakistan, China or Russia for their equipments because we can crash a brand new Aircrafts like today and C-130j which crashed over the Chambal river. Same goes for Navy where literally every Ship, be it AC, Subs, destroyer. met with accidents,

"Neo" porkistani like it nice keep it up multiple accounts

 

[Kshithij]

You didn't crash anything, it was a mechanical fault of Russian junk. This fighter was as new as new can be, there should have been no issues. The pilots who fly for HAL are the most experienced in the country so rest assured it was not pilot error.

It was not yet handed over to IAF. It was under trial after assembly from HAL. There might have been an error in assembly

 

[vishnugupt]

C-130j was also a Russian junk?? Russia is fighting war in Syria with same plans and results are devastating for Neo's multiple fathers. Hindus are not riddled with inferiority complex like mullahs who blame others for their own mistakes and blunders. If there is a problem, admit it first and work to improve it because we r not illiterate and should not be ignorant towards the facts.

 

[Steven Rogers]

We should stop criticizing countries like Pakistan, China or Russia for their equipments because we can crash a brand new Aircrafts like today and C-130j which crashed over the Chambal river. Same goes for Navy where literally every Ship, be it AC, Subs, destroyer. met with accidents,

WHICH Carrier you're talking about, do you know how its a complex of a job to work on ships, despite such complexities INS vikramaditya didn't met with any accident after 5 years of operational history.

 

[Kshithij]

C-130j was also a Russian junk?? Russia is fighting war in Syria with same plans and results are devastating for Neo's multiple fathers. Hindus are not riddled with inferiority complex like mullahs who blame others for their own mistakes and blunders. If there is a problem, admit it first and work to improve it because we r not illiterate and should not be ignorant towards the facts.

Do you know that @Armand2REP is a french man? Why do you jump to conclusions?

 

[Samsung J7]

Russian jets wil never match western jets in quality.

 

[binayak95]

Depends on the quality you're looking for. No western jet can match a Russian jet in terms of sheer manoeuvrability but then again, muricans are lay emphasis on Energy fighting ever since Zeros whooped their asses in WWII.

Russian jets wil never match western jets in quality.

 

[Samsung J7]

Depends on the quality you're looking for. No western jet can match a Russian jet in terms of sheer manoeuvrability but then again, muricans are lay emphasis on Energy fighting ever since Zeros whooped their asses in WWII.

Manoeuvrability cant save any jet from air to air missiles

 

[Kshithij]

Manoeuvrability cant save any jet from air to air missiles

That is the only thing that can save a plane from air to air missile when jamming fails. Su30 can make almost instantaneous 180 degree turn and fly in the opposite direction whereas all other planes will need to take a round circle. If it detects a missile incoming, it can simply do pugachev's cobra and run back while other planes have to do big circles

 

[lcafanboy]

Russian jets wil never match western jets in quality.

But same Russian jets made in Russia kick ass of some of the most advanced western fighters. We have too much Ambedkar reservation quota chaap JUNKs in every govt department and govt state owned companies like HAL. These quota chaaps don't have any sense of accountability. India is being ruined by muzzies and reservation chaaps......

Kill those reservation chaaps who are involved....

 

[Samsung J7]

But same Russian jets made in Russia kick ass of some of the most advanced western fighters.

When did this happened?

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[Armand2REP]

C-130j was also a Russian junk?? Russia is fighting war in Syria with same plans and results are devastating for Neo's multiple fathers. Hindus are not riddled with inferiority complex like mullahs who blame others for their own mistakes and blunders. If there is a problem, admit it first and work to improve it because we r not illiterate and should not be ignorant towards the facts.

Russia lost an Su-30 off the Syrian coast just last month. Russia has lost dozens of aircraft in its Syrian operations including hundreds of service members. Syria has lost hundreds of Russian aircraft in its operations.. France is fighting wars from Iraq to the Sahel but loses very few aircraft or people. It comes down to quality control and Russia is not meeting the mark. Stop blaming India for everything wrong when it is lack of Russian QC.

 

[vishnugupt]

Russia lost an Su-30 off the Syrian coast just last month. Russia has lost dozens of aircraft in its Syrian operations including hundreds of service members. Syria has lost hundreds of Russian aircraft in its operations.. France is fighting wars from Iraq to the Sahel but loses very few aircraft or people. It comes down to quality control and Russia is not meeting the mark. Stop blaming India for everything wrong when it is lack of Russian QC.

What should I call you ?? A naive. Innocent would be a better choice. How long French will eat Napoleon legacy to stay relevant in discussion of a war ? while whole last century wasted in surrenders right from World war to Vietnam. Fighting a war cost men and machine so did happen with Russian but despite of all odds ( NATO+Israel+Mullah ) they outmaneuvered each and every one in region and won decisively and not to mention the fear created by Russian weapons into the heart of European is not an exaggeration. French strikes, including NATO are as lip servicing as moderate M say "Islam means peace".
Btw.... My point was, we bought Russian jet after thorough trial and evaluation of each technical aspect but after accident IAF don't take second to blame others. Don't they check parts before installing it?

 

[binayak95]

What should I call you ?? A naive. Innocent would be a better choice. How long French will eat Napoleon legacy to stay relevant in discussion of a war ? while whole last century wasted in surrenders right from World war to Vietnam. Fighting a war cost men and machine so did happen with Russian but despite of all odds ( NATO+Israel+Mullah ) they outmaneuvered each and every one in region and won decisively and not to mention the fear created by Russian weapons into the heart of European is not an exaggeration. French strikes, including NATO are as lip servicing as moderate M say "Islam means peace".
Btw.... My point was, we bought Russian jet after thorough trial and evaluation of each technical aspect but after accident IAF don't take second to blame others. Don't they check parts before installing it?

Are you blind? Or an idiot? I suspect the latter.

The Su30 that crashed was a pre-production unit, ergo IAF had not accepted it yet.

Which makes the crash all the more suspicious. How can a spanking new jet crash ? And to be fair, the Su30s have a better record than the atrocious records of the MiG21s. But that's a whole another topic.

The bottom line is Russian equipment are horrible as far as serviceability is concerned. Always have been. Indian users have found ingenious ways to really stretch them and no air force in the world runs Russian frames for as long as we do and NO ONE has Su30s with an availability rate of 87.5%.

 

[vishnugupt]

Are you blind? Or an idiot? I suspect the latter.

The Su30 that crashed was a pre-production unit, ergo IAF had not accepted it yet.

Which makes the crash all the more suspicious. How can a spanking new jet crash ? And to be fair, the Su30s have a better record than the atrocious records of the MiG21s. But that's a whole another topic.

The bottom line is Russian equipment are horrible as far as serviceability is concerned. Always have been. Indian users have found ingenious ways to really stretch them and no air force in the world runs Russian frames for as long as we do and NO ONE has Su30s with an availability rate of 87.5%.

Blaming others has become the first response nowadays.
general opinion on Russian jets and western jets is that Russian built plan like a tank ( Su25 ) they can land on nonpaved runways, can be operated from uncleaned bases. still, some people see them maintenance unfriendly! unlike western plans which are like fine watches. America brought billions of dollar machinery to support their campaign in Afghanistan and Iraq why, if they were maintenance friendly? recently we have not seen the significant problem with Russian equipment in Syria so using the word like 'horrible' is a little exaggeration. by the way in Indian context maintenance means you are not taking care of equipment lying in your backyard properly and it could be anything
I am not only blaming IAF or Navy alone but the majority of the blame goes to them because of their attitude of looking at things from the sky
At the one side, our arm forces cry for the shortage of weapons and squadrons ( not including Army ) while another side frequent occurrence of accidents and mishaps then blaming others if somebody points a finger towards you then just say "it is even happening everywhere'. rather than sitting with DRDO/HAL to solve the problem they prefer to run for foreign equipment and after some time they say Dud to the very same foreign equipment

 

[Armand2REP]

What should I call you ?? A naive. Innocent would be a better choice. How long French will eat Napoleon legacy to stay relevant in discussion of a war ? while whole last century wasted in surrenders right from World war to Vietnam. Fighting a war cost men and machine so did happen with Russian but despite of all odds ( NATO+Israel+Mullah ) they outmaneuvered each and every one in region and won decisively and not to mention the fear created by Russian weapons into the heart of European is not an exaggeration. French strikes, including NATO are as lip servicing as moderate M say "Islam means peace".
Btw.... My point was, we bought Russian jet after thorough trial and evaluation of each technical aspect but after accident IAF don't take second to blame others. Don't they check parts before installing it?

You don't need to worry about ancient history. You can look at the last decade of combat operations across the world. France is second only to the US and far above Russia or anyone else in combat hours. We do it without high crash rates or fatalities because our equipment is of high quality. Russian air bases are only a few hundred clicks from their combat area while French fighters must fly thousands of kilometres to complete their operations and do so with far less failure rates even adding aerial refueling to the mission. Killing thousands of Islamic fundamentalists is lip service to you but it is saving lives to the people on the ground and the people of France who have suffered the horrors of that terrorism. Your point was not relevant as it is a brand new aircraft far from needing its first servicing and not even entered into IAF. That is where your argument lost validity and why Russia is to be blamed. Russia has engineers at HAL hired to do QC checks before induction so stop pretending they have no fault.