Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[Samsung J7]

There are a couple of issues with the Su30MKIs. They consume a heckload of fuel. And they're proving expensive to maintain. Plus the airframe has almost reached the limit for future upgrades. While, on the other hand, rafales are pretty new birds and their upgrades will keep rolling for atleast 25 years.

Another thing is , our early sukhois r now almost 20 years old platform.
Its a known thing Russian jets will start fall from skies earlier than western jets

 

[Samsung J7]

Pak F16s giving tough time to Su30MKIs?!! Hahahhahahhahahaha! You're funny... That bird can wipe the floor with J20s.

Russian air to air missiles reliability is very poor . Pakis hav 500 AIM120 missiles.
Good thing is pakis cant move their f16s without yanks permission

 

[Kshithij]

Russian air to air missiles reliability is very poor . Pakis hav 500 AIM120 missiles.
Good thing is pakis cant move their f16s without yanks permission

Su30 has been integrated with Astra missile. There is no need to speak lowly of Astra missiles. The pakistani AIM120 missile is 2000 technology whereas Astra seeker is more advanced with 2010-2015 technology. The advancement of computers between 2000-2010 makes Astra a better technology than AIM 120C that Paistan got. Also, India has full control over the technology and codes of Su30 and Astra missile which makes it more reliable

Another thing is , our early sukhois r now almost 20 years old platform.
Its a known thing Russian jets will start fall from skies earlier than western jets

How many F16 have crashed till date? Here is a list of crashes by year-
http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16/mishaps-and-accidents/

Stop blabbering about supremacy of F16

 

[indiatester]

Russian air to air missiles reliability is very poor . Pakis hav 500 AIM120 missiles.
Good thing is pakis cant move their f16s without yanks permission

During Kargil war a Mig-29 (one aircraft) locked 2 F-16's . Su-30 should do better IMHO.

 

[Alfalfa]

During Kargil war a Mig-29 (one aircraft) locked 2 F-16's . Su-30 should do better IMHO.

Lock needn't translate to a kill... it was a BVR lock, there is this fallacy that having a BVR capability necessarily transates to a kill... just pointing facts, not saying the F-16 or the PAF have any chance whatsoever, once the teens are dealt with the rest are just cannon fodder to the Migs and the LCA

 

[indus]

Another thing is , our early sukhois r now almost 20 years old platform.
Its a known thing Russian jets will start fall from skies earlier than western jets

There is a thing called Mid Life Upgrade. The older platforms will go thru MLU at the designated time span. Fleet availability depends alot on spares supply chain which has improved in recent times.

 

[sthf]

Russian air to air missiles reliability is very poor . Pakis hav 500 AIM120 missiles.
Good thing is pakis cant move their f16s without yanks permission

And these 500 AIM-120 are nearing the end of their lives. According to Porky Defence Minister, US has stopped supporting F-16s and the fleet availability has dropped to 25-30%. Same must be true for AIM-120s.

I don't think IAF is having sleepless nights because PAF has Chini BVRs.

 

[Kshithij]

And these 500 AIM-120 are nearing the end of their lives. According to Porky Defence Minister, US has stopped supporting F-16s and the fleet availability has dropped to 25-30%. Same must be true for AIM-120s.

I don't think IAF is having sleepless nights because PAF has Chini BVRs.

AIM 120 has shelf life of 25-30 years. Pakistan bought it in 2002 and delivery might have laster 3-4 years. Even with shelf life of 25 years, Pakistan should have it till 2030

 

[rone]

aim120 is not an issue ..their f16 restricetd to do internel air policing in a possible conflict ,becoz if they losse more than 6 f16 in a raid that will hamper their fleet so much in a negative way also the f16 is the only one stoping IAF if there is an air raid in nuclear infra,they mostly use junk 17 with f16 socut formation, interms of attack they use jf17 awac dat link and situational awarness to make suprise attack, but indian sam layer and radar netwrok is so strong I think they might have 30% chance to penitarate even our first layer air defnce which may be mig 29 upg, not su30 mki ,,su 30kmi will be an over kill, and abt pak sd 10 it littile bit doubt full it is not yet battel prooven ..just like our astra ..my bet on derby and python (r77 enough for jf17 but not for f16)

 

[Samsung J7]

Any French BVR missiles integrated into su30s?

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[indiatester]

Lock needn't translate to a kill... it was a BVR lock, there is this fallacy that having a BVR capability necessarily transates to a kill... just pointing facts, not saying the F-16 or the PAF have any chance whatsoever, once the teens are dealt with the rest are just cannon fodder to the Migs and the LCA

It does depend on how long the lock was achieved too. If the lock was long enough for the missile to get to no escape zone, then the enemy aircraft is toast. However if the victim aircraft is able to detect the lock early and disengage then its survival chances are higher. Gaurav Chibber was given a vayu sena medal for this feat. So I am guessing that he was able to lock the F-16s long enough till they ran back to their space.
If that was no so important, paki aircraft would have done a far better CAP's during Kargil war.

 

[Kshithij]

aim120 is not an issue ..their f16 restricetd to do internel air policing in a possible conflict ,becoz if they losse more than 6 f16 in a raid that will hamper their fleet so much in a negative way also the f16 is the only one stoping IAF if there is an air raid in nuclear infra,they mostly use junk 17 with f16 socut formation, interms of attack they use jf17 awac dat link and situational awarness to make suprise attack, but indian sam layer and radar netwrok is so strong I think they might have 30% chance to penitarate even our first layer air defnce which may be mig 29 upg, not su30 mki ,,su 30kmi will be an over kill, and abt pak sd 10 it littile bit doubt full it is not yet battel prooven ..just like our astra ..my bet on derby and python (r77 enough for jf17 but not for f16)

You are forgetting Akash missiles. I don't think any plane can cross Akash MK2 missile barrier unless they come in overwhelmingly large numbers, more than the number of missiles available.

Su30 etc are used mainly for air superiority. Air defence for Indian airspace will be best done with Akash SAM. Akash has a RAMJET with sustained speed of 1km/s. It will be next to impossible to escape such a missile by a plane in 25km radius of Akash SAM sites

 

[Samsung J7]

F-16 dodging 6 Iraqi SAM launches on Jan 19 1991

 

[Bleh]

F-16 dodging 6 Iraqi SAM launches on Jan 19 1991

IRAQI....1991....

Your 2-dozen odd previous century junk that are still operational won't even manage it to the air!

 

[binayak95]

You are forgetting Akash missiles. I don't think any plane can cross Akash MK2 missile barrier unless they come in overwhelmingly large numbers, more than the number of missiles available.

Su30 etc are used mainly for air superiority. Air defence for Indian airspace will be best done with Akash SAM. Akash has a RAMJET with sustained speed of 1km/s. It will be next to impossible to escape such a missile by a plane in 25km radius of Akash SAM sites

Akash is secondary. All frontline IAF bases have SPYDER air defense missiles. But that's irrelevant. The first 48 hrs will see massive air and missile strikes against Pakistan bases. They won't last 3 days.

 

[Kshithij]

Akash is secondary. All frontline IAF bases have SPYDER air defense missiles. But that's irrelevant. The first 48 hrs will see massive air and missile strikes against Pakistan bases. They won't last 3 days.

You are right that Pakistan will be destroyed quickly. But the idea of war is to kill maximum number of enemies while taking minimum casualties. We may end up winning but we also need to ensure that we don't face much damage. Here the idea is not just to protect bases but also other infrastructure, cities, towns, dams etc. Protecting soldiers while their family is bombed is not a wise idea. So, mere protection for bases is extremely short sighted.

Pakistani mainstay is Babur and JF17 both of which can be easily taken down by Akash. Spyder is very short ranged and isn't sufficient to take down enemy fighters or cruise missiles. Akash can do area denial and completely prevent enemy aircrafts from entering Indian airspace. Only thing that will be able to penetrate these defence will be ballistic missiles. If enemy aircrafts or cruise missile don't enter Indian airspace, the chance that they will be able to bomb cities, towns or bases will be limited to only ballistic missiles

 

[Anathema]

Su30 has been integrated with Astra missile. There is no need to speak lowly of Astra missiles. The pakistani AIM120 missile is 2000 technology whereas Astra seeker is more advanced with 2010-2015 technology. The advancement of computers between 2000-2010 makes Astra a better technology than AIM 120C that Paistan got. Also, India has full control over the technology and codes of Su30 and Astra missile which makes it more reliable

I would be very skeptical about Astra. Astra is in its infacy , it still has to prove a lot under different conditions. Nothing can match American R&D investments or War experiences. AIM has real experience and it has been forged using their war time experience..something very few nations have. So extremely potent missile.

 

[Kshithij]

I would be very skeptical about Astra. Astra is in its infacy , it still has to prove a lot under different conditions. Nothing can match American R&D investments or War experiences. AIM has real experience and it has been forged using their war time experience..something very few nations have. So extremely potent missile.

USA's AIM120 is not better than Meteor of France. French BVR is way better than AIM120C.

Also, Astra is upgraded and indigenised R77 missile and it is good enough

 

[Steven Rogers]

I would be very skeptical about Astra. Astra is in its infacy , it still has to prove a lot under different conditions. Nothing can match American R&D investments or War experiences. AIM has real experience and it has been forged using their war time experience..something very few nations have. So extremely potent missile.

Astra has been matured, that's why now it's in production. AIM120C5 is indeed old.

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[lcafanboy]

Last time I check Singapore is not India's ally. So I am not sure if Singapore wants to share their information with India by risking to piss off China which counts 26.8% of their exportation.
Even by adding on Singapore's P8, the number is still far below the necessary to cover 24x7. No one has that number. The americans is relying on their under-water listening chain. Even with these expensive equipment, most of time, Russian and Chinese sub-marines sneak out under the cover of commercial boat.
The question to India is: can you shut down the trade routes that are critical to all of Easter Asians?

Yeah that's the reason their F-16s are parked in India and thier air force pilots get trained in India...

Taiwan has 100% Chinese population and exports much more to China than singapore does that stops them to take stand against China....