Small arms and Light Weapons

[cobra commando]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Sooooooo many options !! Ahhh..And what we are doing with our INSAS ?!? Pathetic

Are you trying to troll :cool2:

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Most AK accessorizes can be used on Insas without any modifications..

 

[cobra commando]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[cobra commando]

Are you trying to troll :cool2:

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Most AK accessorizes can be used on Insas without any modifications..

"Troll" No Sir ! Not ! Me I think you misunderstood me Boss,i like the INSAS (big Fan) i'm just sad about hearing all these news about lack of interest in the homegrown weapon & going for Phoren maal and so on...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Our system is full of corrupts and infested by arms dealers..

"Troll" No Sir ! Not ! Me I think you misunderstood me Boss,i like the INSAS (big Fan) i'm just sad about hearing all these news about lack of interest in the homegrown weapon & going for Phoren maal and so on...

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some FALs now :

:cool2:

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[Damian]

I have a question. In case of FINSAS rifle, why India will just not cooperate with other developer around the world?

I know that this is a bit of lobbing, but Polish MSBS-5,56 being a base for it's Indian version might be interesting proposal for India.

Correct me, but as far as I know, Indian Armed Forces use both classic and bullpup designs yes?

MSBS-5,56 is modular assault rifle that can be reconfigured from classic to bullpup and vice versa configuration, which means that you gain both classic and bullpup designs using common components, which reduce costs and logistic problems.

I think that preaty good relaitions between Indian and Polish industry, might be a good base for such cooperation, and India might contribute in MSBS development program, especially that MSBS as it's designation code says is modular firearms system, which means that both in classic and bullpup versions, will be not only basic assault rifle + under barrel granade launcher, but also such versions like marksman rifle, light machine gun/automatic rifle and carbine/shortened assault rifle versions. Also MSBS-5,56 for 5,56x45mm ammunition is not only development, because there are studies for developing version of this system that will use 7,62x51mm ammunition and optionally other types of ammunition like 7,62x39mm or even 5,45x39mm. So possiblities in cooperation are very promising for both India and Poland.

MSBS is really modern assault rifle, and in the end it have potential to replace all other assault rifles and other types of firearms used in Indian Army, making logistics easier, training easier, as well as it would make costs lower.

So what are eventual opinions of Indian users here about the general idea?

MSBS-5,56 prototypes in classic and bullpup configurations, both use common components.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

You see, With some minor modification one can easily turn this into DMR..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The RFI goes like this :

Just Putting Some Info On RFI:

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION : ASSAULT RIFLE FOR INFANTRY

Integrated Sighting System

(i) Does the weapon have luminous tipped Flip-up iron sights?
(ii) Does the weapon have a Holographic Sight / Reflex Sight? What is the weight of the sight?
(iii) Does the weapon have a Telescopic Sight? What is its weight, magnification and field of view?
(iv) Does the weapon also have Visible Laser Target Pointer and Laser Illuminator? What is its range and weight? Are they integrated with Holographic/Reflex Sight?



UBGL.
Can a Under Barrel Grenade Launcher (UBGL) be attached to the weapon?. If yes then

(i) What is the caliber of the UBGL?
(ii) Is UBGL breech loaded or muzzle loaded?
(iii) What is the maximum range of the UBGL?
(iv) What is the weight of the UBGL?
(v) What types of grenades can be fired from the UBGL?
(vi) Can the UBGL be fired in a standalone mode? If yes, then what are the modifications required?
(vii) Does the UBGL have a multipurpose fire control system? If yes, then please provide specifications and features. What types of grenades are supported by the
programmable ballistic computer? Is integration of Laser Range Finder possible with the Fire Control System?


Modularity.
Is the weapon modular and facilitates replacement of subassemblies without the use of any specialist tools?
If the weapon is modular then :-
(i) Is it possible to have multi caliber barrel change capability for the following calibers.
(aa) 5.56 X 45mm.
(ab) 7.62 X 39mm.
(ac) 7.62 X 51mm.
(ad) 6.8 X 43mm.
(ae) 6.5 Grendel.


Reliability.
What is the reliability of the Assault Rifle, specify in terms of various stoppages during a firing cycle of 1000 rounds?


Picatinny Rails.
Does the Assault Rifle have full length Picatinny Rails at 12 O'clock position with additional rails at 3 O'clock, 6 O'clock and 9 O'clock position?



More here: http://indianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/RFI/193/rfipmo_03dec10.pdf

Yes, Indian army use both Bull-pup and traditional design..

And MSBS suits that requirement but in FINSAS the point is to have interchangeable barrels in same design..

I have a question. In case of FINSAS rifle, why India will just not cooperate with other developer around the world?

I know that this is a bit of lobbing, but Polish MSBS-5,56 being a base for it's Indian version might be interesting proposal for India.

Correct me, but as far as I know, Indian Armed Forces use both classic and bullpup designs yes?

MSBS-5,56 is modular assault rifle that can be reconfigured from classic to bullpup and vice versa configuration, which means that you gain both classic and bullpup designs using common components, which reduce costs and logistic problems.

 

[cobra commando]

True That Boss,Somebody should Hang these criminal Dimwit Dodo's Straight away,S.O.B Traitors.

 

[Damian]

And MSBS suits that requirement but in FINSAS the point is to have interchangeable barrels in same design..

I am not sure but it seems that MSBS also met this requirement. Because one of the most important requirements for whole MSBS program was to have completely modular fire arms system.

However we should wait untill state tests, but I know that during production facility tests, MSBS performed very good, even above expectations. The production of assault rifle in classic design, should start for Polish Army in 2014-2015.

I wonder if Bumar with Arms Manufacturing Center FB Łucznik, even presented MSBS to India, perhaps during MSPO and Eurosatory Indian delegations had opprotunity to take a closer look to the whole program, also I know that MSBS was presented to US Army during AUSA 2012.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Remov might have much deep knowledge about it..

Didn't see him on MP lately..

 

[Damian]

That's true, dunno where he is, probably have a lot of work, hmm I had opprotunity to be in a press shop today, but I didn't take a closer look at military magazines, perhaps there are some new articles written by him there. When I will have time I will check.

BTW.

Here is UBGL for MSBS, it is breach loaded, 40mm, and should be compatible with most if not all types of ammunition (also promising new designs currently in R&D phase) for such types of weapon.

It can be used standalone if I remember correctly, and breach is opening currently only in to left side, but designers said that they will try to figure out how to make reliable opening system for left or right side, for better ergonomics.

Edit:

Yup UBGL can be used as separate weapon.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Army has started the field trials for procuring over 60,000 assault rifles in a deal worth Rs 13,000 crore.Of the 40 overseas vendors, whom the Ministry of Defence sent a request for proposal, only four have applied for the tender and the winner

The New Indian Express

I assumed it was also send to Bumar, But it didnt showed up, There is a negative mark in Indian Market is Arms dealers and bribe tradition..

It also discourage H&K and Colt to participate in..

Edit : The news from news agency i posted here is also under influence of arm dealer..

I wonder if Bumar with Arms Manufacturing Center FB Łucznik, even presented MSBS to India, perhaps during MSPO and Eurosatory Indian delegations had opprotunity to take a closer look to the whole program, also I know that MSBS was presented to US Army during AUSA 2012.

 

[Damian]

Well I really hope that Bumar will participate, MSBS can be example of good cooperation, can encourage more cooperation in future and be a positive and profiting for both India and Poland.

 

[ALBY]

Is it possible to make alteration to the feeding system of a bren so that it could be belt fed.Am not asking about feeding from top as in case of existing ones,but with any alterration is it possible to be fed from side ways like in case of PKM or MAG58?If that is possible then it will be a hit and we could easily mount a scope over it and aiming will be easy plus there wont be any need for frequent mag changes.