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MPAR 556

Unveiled in 2013 by Masterpiece Arms, the MPAR is a rare US assault rifle that doesn’t use the AR-15 as its basis.

As a matter of fact, the MPAR 556 was influenced by another creation of Eugene Stoner, the AR-18 with its gas operated short stroke piston. Appearance-wise, however, every detail of the MPAR 556 appeals to a shooter with a sensitivity for AR-type rifles.

Chambered for 5.56m rounds and designed for accessorization, the MPAR features not just a side folding but a retractable stock as well. Its anodized aluminum receiver supports a unique left-handed charging handle and a freefloating detachable handguard lined with circular gas vents and Picatinny rail amounts. As a bonus, a curved foregrip allows for ergonomic handling.

Like the majority of assault rifles today, flip sights are mandatory. It’s unknown if the MPAR is being marketed for export, but it’s available to US civilians as a sporting rifle.



MSBS Radon

The existence of the Radon dates to 2007. But it first came to light at an arms show in 2012 when publicly displayed by its manufacturer. Based on its appearance, it adheres to the standards of the Adaptive Combat Rifle, the FN-SCAR, and the H&K G36.

Although chambered for the 5.56mm NATO round, a 7.62mm variant of the Radon is being developed. This is understandable, considering it will be issued to Poland’s military in the coming years.

According to Polish Defence Holdings, a state-run arms exporting agency, the Radon’s essential part is a universal upper receiver that can be configured for any mission, be it a carbine or a marksman rifle.

Judging by available pictures, however, the Radon is meant to be very modular, with all the usual tactical attachments, even alternating configurations like a bullpup CQB variant.



Multi-Utilization Rifle

The MUR is a rare and generally mysterious small arm that came to the Internet’s attention several years ago.

Originating from Taiwan, a country with an advanced arms manufacturing tradition, the MUR appears to be an indigenous attempt at replicating the well-known FN SCAR.

The MUR thus appears to be a hybrid, combining an AR-type lower receiver with a presumably gas operated short stroke piston design. A milled upper receiver supports an ambidextrous charging handle and Picatinny rails.

If the MUR is the Taiwanese FN SCAR, then it’s a modular weapon of aluminum and polymer, with a side folding retractable stock to boot. Switching it to a different caliber is optional too.

The MUR is believed to be in limited use by the Taiwanese Army.



Norinco QBZ-95

It remains unclear when the QBZ-95 was first issued to the Chinese military. Even less is known about its development at a time when China’s economy opened up to the world in the 1980s and 90s.

What became apparent upon its first public display in Hong Kong during the 1997 handover to China is it represented a radical departure from the PLA’s prevailing infantry rifles.

The QBZ-95 is a bullpup design reliant on extensive polymer housing. It fires a unique 5.8x42mm round, a caliber allegedly superior to those used by either NATO or the Soviet Union.

The QBZ-95’s adoption eventually overshadowed the Type 81, a derivative of and an improvement over the ubiquitous AK-47, which China’s manufacturers have knocked off in the millions.

The QBZ-95 features a unique trigger guard doubling as a foregrip. Its stock flips open and houses a cleaning kit. A carrying handle also serves as a mount for optics and protects the bolt that’s configured the same way as the French FAMAS. The QBZ-95 supports rifle grenades and underbarrel grenade launchers, be they imitations of Russian, US, and European models.

The QBZ-95’s manufacturer, state-owned Norinco, sells a 5.56mm variant called the Type-97. Its only noticeable difference is the more conventional trigger assembly.

As the basis for a family of weapons, the QBZ’s lineage includes a machine gun variant with an extended barrel, a bipod, and a drum magazine; a sniper rifle; and a shortened commando carbine.



Norinco QBZ-03

The QBZ-03, also identified as the Type 03, is a conventional assault rifle with a gas operated, rotating bolt firing mechanism. Like all modern Chinese infantry small arms the QBZ-03 is chambered for the 5.8mm round. Judging by its appearance, the QBZ-03 is derivative of the Type 81 assault rifle featuring a polymer folding stock and a lengthened heat shield with air vents encasing the barrel assembly. Other improvements are obvious, like a simplified fire selector switch above the pistol grip and a side folding butt stock.

The engineers behind the earlier Type 81, a mainstay of the PLA during the 1990s, used the AK-47’s shortcomings as the basis for their new rifle’s appearance, which included a robust rear sight, a gas piston above the lengthened muzzle brake, and a Bakelite folding stock.The Type 81 is a hybrid as well, combining aspects of the SKS.

The QBZ-03’s two-part lower receiver is designed to accept M16-type magazines–the export version is chambered for NATO 5.56mm rounds–and its muzzle brake is different from its peer, the bullpup QBZ-95. The addition of Picatinny rails along its upper receiver means it conforms to ongoing trends in small arms.

Despite having been displayed in public, many are confused by the QBZ-03’s use. It appears the QBZ-03 is Norinco’s attempt at providing an infantry weapon that combines the Colt M4’s lightness and the reliability of a successful firearm.

Norinco Type 81

The Type 81 assault rifle is a potent symbol of China’s modernization. Fielded in large numbers during the Deng Xiaoping-era, it marked the reemergence of the PLA from its late Maoist doldrums.

But the Type 81’s appearance betrayed its crude origins. Owing to the poor state of China’s local industry at the time, the original Type 81 was a hybrid of the AK-47 and the SKS that sought to overcome the limitations of either rifle. But when most third-generation rifles were using plastic and aluminum, the Type 81 was made of carbonized steel and wood, or sometimes Bakelite.

The Type 81 was doomed to infamy, however, and exported in limited numbers once it was replaced by the bullpup QBZ-95. Bangladesh is the only other country to produce the Type 81 under license.

China’s vast police force hasn’t given up on the Type 81. During a Beijing arms show in 2014 a new rifle was displayed by Norinco together with other “tactical” small arms.

It was a Type 81 chambered for the 7.62x51mm NATO round. To tickle the sensibilities of foreign buyers, it had an extensive Picatinny rail mounted on its stamped steel receiver, a side folding stock, and a new muzzle brake reminiscent of the AK-74.

Even without customers, it looks impressive.



OBR

Like many American gun makers Larue Tactical is riding the wave of AR-type rifles and carbines. To establish itself in the US, the company is marketing its OBR family, a series of firearms available in either 7.62mm or 5.56mm.

The PredatOBR, for example, is another attempt to overcome the M16’s limitations. The lower receiver is fitted with an ergonomic pistol grip and a magazine well for a 20-round clip.

More importantly, the OBR alters the direct gas impingement system for an adjustable gas block designated as the Port Selector Technology. Unique to the OBR, however, is the free-float handguard, optimized with gas vents and Picatinny rails, for its barrel assembly and the RAT retractable butt stock.
 

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RDB

Kel-Tec Industries‘ RDB is a fresh take on the “traditional” bullpup and. Debuting in 2015 the RDB is a 5.56mm firearm for law enforcement and military use.

Its most radical innovation is its ejector chute behind the magazine well. Instead of exiting from the chamber above the butt stock, the RDB manages to remain ambidextrous by discharging shell casings from underneath the rifle.

The RDB is also one of the more efficient selective fire bullpups in the market, having ample space for tactical gear and optics while that don’t encumber the rifle’s use.

RFB

The RFB is an ambidextrous 7.62mm bullpup assault rifle manufactured by Kel-Tec Industries, a US gun maker.

Kel-Tec Industries boasts that the RFB is the most effective 7.62mm bullpup yet. This is because of its forward ejecting system. This means that no matter the rate of fire, all shell casings are released above the barrel assembly, far from the shooter’s face and line of sight.

Introduced eight years ago, the RFB is a rare example of a viable bullpup model for the North American arms market. Its most distinctive feature is it uses 20-round FN FAL box magazines. The RFB is available as a sharpshooter and an even more compact short barrel variant.



SAR-21

The current assault rifle of Southeast Asia’s best equipped military, the Singapore Assault Rifle 21 is a compact design reflecting the influence of predecessors like the British SA80, French FAMAS, the Israeli Tavor, and the Austrian Steyr.

The 5.56mm SAR-21 follows a conventional bullpup layout, supporting a 30-round magazine, a pistol grip molded into a handguard, and an optical/laser dot sight with the bolt underneath. At just 32 inches long, the SAR-21 is transformable into a squad automatic weapon and a marksman’s rifle with a maximum range (on paper) of 800 meters.

According to its manufacturer ST Kinetics, the basic SAR-21 is ideal for close quarters battle (CQB) and modifications based on the infantryman’s needs. Recent upgrades are a plastic see-through magazine and Picatinny rails for its barrel assembly.

It can also carry night vision optics, a 40mm grenade launcher, and various tactical gear.

SAR-223

Not to be confused as a product of Singapore Technologies (ST), the SAR-223 by Turkey’s Sarsilmaz is a 5.56mm carbine that borrows extensively from existing designs. Small wonder that it resembles the popular HK416.

The SAR-223 uses an AR-15 type receiver to support the barrel assembly and extensive Picatinny mounts for optics, accessories, and a grenade launcher.

Front and back flip sights and a sliding polymer stock guarantees the SAR-223’s place in the family tree of modern assault rifles.

The SAR-223 is now in production and available for export. It’s unclear if the Turkish military have adopted it as the main battle rifle or prefer a modular rifle chambered for a different caliber.



SIG Sauer MCX

The newest Swiss assault rifle is a far cry from its proper European roots, being an AR-based creation that pushes the modular envelope.

If there’s elegance in simplicity, then the MCX’ appearance is its strongest selling point. Aside from a familiar lower receiver, the MCX uses a lightweight side folding skeleton stock and a free-floating foreguard perforated with gas vents.

The position and alignment of the MCX’ Picatinny rails and sights resembles the H&K 416 but it retains SIG Sauer’s gas operated short-stroke piston firing system. The MCX comes in three variants: an assault rifle, a carbine, and a machine pistol.

As a weapon geared toward operators and special forces, the MCX is easy to disassemble and is designed for whatever configuration its user needs. It can be chambered in Russian 7.62x39mm, NATO 5.56×45, and the powerful .300 BLK.



SIG Sauer 716

Owing to the almost universal popularity of the AR platform and its myriad offshoots, the celebratedSwiss gun maker rolled out their own variant for export.

Rather than use its proven SIG 556 as the basis for another carbine, SIG Sauer remain faithful to the AR-15 or M4, offering five different models of this particular 716 variant chambered for 7.62mm rounds. None of its features are remarkable when compared to current (and very similar) small arms. Its lighter NATO-friendly sibling the SIG Sauer 516 has five versions too and it looks exactly the same.

The 716 uses a sturdy nitride treated barrel attached to short stroke pushrod firing mechanism encased in an aircraft-grade aluminum receiver. Front and back flip sights are mandatory. A quad mount for the barrel assembly and a Picatinny rail attached to the receiver ensure ample space for optics, foregrips, and tactical accessories.

Aside from its ergonomic pistol grip and lightweight retractable butt stock, a 20-round box magazine keeps the basic 716 at just over 10 pounds locked and loaded.

Sig Sauer have a total of 12 rifles and carbines in their catalog. The popular SIG 556 and its shortened version now come with Picatinny mounts on their upper receivers.
 

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SR 762

The latest assault rifle from American gun maker Ruger is another successful spin on Eugene Stoner’s AR. Debuting in 2014, the SR 762 is the heftier sibling of the SR 556, tandem variants chambered for different rounds.

The SR 762 is a 7.62mm assault rifle that uses modified lower and upper receivers. To rectify the faults of the original M16, the delayed gas impingement system is replaced by a two-stage gas piston installed above the barrel assembly. This feature prevents the build up of dirt in the chamber, which risks jamming the rifle.

The SR 762’s integrated hardcoat anodized upper receiver, which is also sold individually by Ruger, combines the housing for the chrome molybdenum barrel. Multiple gas vents and Picatinny rails complete the SR 762’s modular charms.

The SR 762 is sold with an ergonomic pistol grip, a 20-round Polymer magazine, and a retractable stock. A civilian sporting rifle is available in the US.



SSR Bulldog 762

The SSR Bulldog from Short Rifles is the quirkiest bullpup to emerge in North America. Designed by Sgt. Rich Cabral, a Marine Corps veteran, the SSR Bulldog is a 7.62X51mm M14 reconfigured to match the length of modern carbines.

The resulting firearm is half the size of the original M14 and features a unique upper and lower heat shield encasing its 22-inch barrel assembly. Aside from gas vents, this peculiar housing is able to support top and bottom Picatinny rails for mounting optics and tactical accessories–like a foregrip.

The SSR Bulldog’s most innovative feature is the integration of the receiver and magazine well into the butt stock. This cuts down on its overall size but does require the shooter to brace for the Bulldog’s recoil, which is less than the M14’s by as much as 30%. For marksmen, follow-up shot time between rounds fired is shorter too.

Although not in use by the US Army or Marines, the SSR Bulldog is retailing to civilians for $1,299.

SS2

The SS2 from Indonesian arms manufacturer Pindad is the country’s first locally made assault rifle. Combining features of the M16 and the successful 5.56mm FN FNC, the SS2 is a multi-purpose gas operated selective fire weapon system with a foldable metal stock.

The SS2 was designed to support an underbarrel 40mm grenade launcher and Picatinny rail mounts. Conceived as a family of weapons, shortened CQB and a sniper variant are also available.

The SS2 is currently in service with the Indonesian armed forces and being marketed for export to foreign buyers. In 2012, pictures and models have already surfaced of a bullpup Pindad SS2 designated the SS3. The SS2 is now a family of small arms, a first in Southeast Asia, that includes several variants.

STEYR AUG A3

Forget the backgrounder. The Steyr AUG A3 is the same 5.56mm bullpup but with upper and lower Picatinny mounts along its barrel assembly for mounting optics and tactical accessories.

Like the original, this comes in a family. Sleek, dependable, and proven. Available to buyers worldwide.

An underbarrel grenade launcher is optional.

Taurus 556

The latest carbine from Taurus, a gunmaker known for its contributions to law enforcement, is an impressive outing that blends multiple features common among its peers.

A gas operated selective fire rotating bold carbine of compact proportions, the Taurus 556 can be further shortened with its side-folding stock and an abbreviated barrel installment.

Its stripped-down layout optimizes its Picatinny rail mounts that supports front and back sights. Along the barrel assembly are additional rails for tactical gear and foregrips.

As its name reveals, Taurus’ new carbine is chambered for NATO 5.56x39mm rounds via an M16-type clip. The magazine well is shaped to function as as ergonomic handguard for operators who will wield it in close quarters.

Type 89

Unique to Japan and never exported, the Howa Type 89 is the main battle rifle of the Self Defense Forces (SDF)–its name indicates the year it entered service.

The Type 89 may resemble the ubiquitous H&K G3 and the SIG 550 but is a fundamentally different rifle. When the Howa Machinery Company acquired the license to build the AR-18, a very late successor to the Colt AR-15, it used the American-designed rifle as the basis for a brand new model.

The resulting Type 89 is a gas operated selective fire STANAG assault rifle. The Type 89 is issued with an integrated bipod and an airborne variant features a side folding skeleton stock.

Images have already surfaced online of a carbinized Type 89 with a shortened barrel, flip sights, a retractable polymer stock, and a “Spec ops” outdoor color scheme.
 

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Vektor CR21

Like half of the assault rifles on this list the viability of the CR21 is a question mark. First introduced by state-owned arms manufacturer Denel in 1997, a time when a new generation of small arms were emerging from the defunct Cold War’s shadow, the CR21 was South Africa’s attempt to find a replacement for their hardy license-made 7.62mm Galils, locally dubbed the R4. The CR21 combined an attractive wavy design with stark simplicity.

To its credit, the CR21 possessed all the features of every other bullpup assault rifle designed in Europe and elsewhere…and perhaps this is why it ultimately failed. Be it extensive polymer housing, ample space for an underbarrel grenade launcher, and a pistol grip doubling as a handguard, the CR21 stood side by side with the Steyr, the FAMAS, etc.

Internally, however, the CR21 operated a rotating bolt no different from its conventional forebear, the Galil/R4. With a barrel chambered for 5.56mm NATO rounds, the CR21 had the potential to entice international customers–but it didn’t.

No Vektor CR21’s are in use today.



VHS 2

The VHS 2 from Croatia is an improvement over its predecessor, which bore many similarities to the French FAMAS. The VHS 2 in its current form is a bullpup assault rifle built according to the dimensions of a carbine chambered for 5.56mm NATO rounds.

Designed and manufactured by gun maker HS Produkt d.o.o., the gas operated selective fire VHS 2 features a sturdier carrying handle mounting Picatinny rails, which are also found on the sides and underneath its barrel assembly.

The VHS 2 supports an underbarrel grenade launcher along with different accessories and optics.

A plastic magazine similar to the Steyr AUG holds 30 NATO 5.56mm rounds. The butt stock was redesigned to allow adjustment.

The VHS 2 is now in production and is the service rifle of the Croatian Army. It’s also available for export.



XCR-M

The XCR-M was an entry from Robinson Armament in the doomed Individual Carbine Competition that sought to replace the US Army’s M4. With so many familiar characteristics that hardly sets it apart from its peers, it’s easy to see why the XCR-M isn’t as distinguished as the CM109 or the venerable FN SCAR.

Rather than push for military sales abroad, Robinson Armament civilianized its entry and made it available to the US domestic gun market.

To date, the XCR-M is the most capable 7.62mm assault rifle developed in North America. This distinction comes from its basis, which is the short-lived AR-18. But with the dominance of the 5.56mm for the past 50 years, the XCR-M is consigned to relative obscurity. It has three variants–a long rifle with a 20 inch barrel, a Mini with a 16 inch barrel, and a shortened Micro Pistol sans the folding stock.

Users familiar with the AR-15 will be comfortable with its lower receiver. The side folding retractable stock is a bonus for CQB and an extended Picatinny rail along its upper receiver and barrel assembly provides ample space to mount optics.

Despite being designed for combat, the XCR-M has no customers outside North America.

XK-8

Very little is known about the XK-8, or DAR-21, which was unveiled by South Korea’s Daewoo in a 2003 arms show.

Judging by its appearance, the XK-8 is a selective fire bullpup chambered for 5.56mm. Not patterned after earlier bullpups like the Steyr AUG and FAMAS, the XK-8’s features suggest a focus on simplicity. It had an ambidextrous pistol grip protected by a hand guard and an exposed barrel assembly. Limited Picatinny rail mounts on its receiver supported a removable scope.

According to available information it’s being offered in the export market but isn’t used by South Korea’s armed forces. Considering its age, it’s probable the XK-8 is not in production either.



XS14

SARG Global is a private venture in the US striving to reinvent modern assault rifle production and design. The XS14 is their latest prototype following the XS-2012.

The XS14 is the sum of current trends in small arms R&D. Its appearance is amorphous and features aspects common among rifles like the SCAR H, ARX-10, and the ACR. These include Picatinny rail mounts above the receiver; an AR-type trigger assembly and magazine well; a side-folding stock; and the option for interchangeable barrels.

The XS14 is being tailored to chamber four different rounds. By 2015 SARG Global promises to reveal another rile, the M2015.

What is atypical about it, however, is its delayed gas piston system. It’s a patented method combining the low recoil of a direct impingement action with the reliability of a gas piston that keeps the chamber clean from fouling.

To date SARG Global isn’t manufacturing or selling any of its products.
 

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XM8

For years now, the US Army has sought to replace its beloved M16. But testing new rifles is akin to opening a can of worms.

The Heckler and Koch XM8 is the most notorious post-M16 candidate. An H&K G36 tweaked to appear more futuristic, the XM8 tested poorly in trials from 2003-2005. It has since been dropped and consigned to obsolescence.

The XM8’s shortcomings were numerous. Although STANAG compliant and crammed with useful features like an efficient gas operated rotary locking bolt firing mechanism, a transparent magazine, integrated red-dot and infrared optics, a convenient fire selector above its pistol grip, and lightweight, the XM8’s flaws were glaring too. Its polymer housing was inferior and the retractable stock left much to be desired.

Furthermore, its elongated carrying handle was superfluous at a time when customization was becoming the norm for modern assault rifles.

Like a ghost, the XM8 has all but vanished.


Via Sina.com.cn.

ZH-05

For the past several years a combination of grainy footage and random photographs suggested that China’s army had a new assault rifle.

It turns out this wasn’t the case. The ZH-05 is an attempt to produce an advanced infantry weapon with a fire control system and a powerful grenade launcher. Though often considered the Chinese equivalent of an OICW, the mysterious ZH-05 is more than a mere copy.

Without any specifications or widespread online media coverage to reveal such, the ZH-05’s capabilities are unknown. Based on its appearance, however, as well as a single photograph dating to 2011, a few characteristics can be discerned.

The ZH-05 is a combination rifle and grenade launcher for a PLA “future soldier” program. The former appears to be a Type 81 chambered for 5.8mm rounds fed from a polymer magazine. The latter is a yet-to-be-identified 20mm single-shot bolt action grenade launcher loaded from the stock, similar to the South Korean K-11 but without the magazine.

The telescopic sight is allegedly the fire control system whose button controls are embedded on the receiver. Even if the PLA’s small arms are usually from Norinco, the ZH-05’s manufacturer hasn’t been revealed. Neither is there reliable information on how many have been built and which units use it.
 

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Although it's very old,I found this amazing video describing M16 assault rifle.
 

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Chinese AK copy is Type 56.

Type 81 is later development over Type 56 and offer less recoil and greater accuracy than original AK/ type 56


Type 81 variants are very common with North East militants groups.
The Type 81 had great reviews as the primary weapon of the Sri Lankan Army during their final push against the Tamil Tigers. Just as robust in dirt and grime as the Type56/AK-47 but far more accurate.

By the way, that war also proved that cheap dependable weapons saved lives. The SLA lost far less men in the last two years of the war due to China setting up depots for weapons and ammo like the Type 81. It seems in the early years of the war, the SLA was hesitant to expend ammo and were careful with using their assets but with the Chinese warehouses set up, they began to expend bullets and shells far more freely and it caused a huge drop in SLA casualties even as they killed more and more Tamil Tigers. The war ended in two years after dragging on for 20 under the old methods. The Type 81 had a great part in that.
 

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The Type 81 had great reviews as the primary weapon of the Sri Lankan Army during their final push against the Tamil Tigers. Just as robust in dirt and grime as the Type56/AK-47 but far more accurate.

By the way, that war also proved that cheap dependable weapons saved lives. The SLA lost far less men in the last two years of the war due to China setting up depots for weapons and ammo like the Type 81. It seems in the early years of the war, the SLA was hesitant to expend ammo and were careful with using their assets but with the Chinese warehouses set up, they began to expend bullets and shells far more freely and it caused a huge drop in SLA casualties even as they killed more and more Tamil Tigers. The war ended in two years after dragging on for 20 under the old methods. The Type 81 had a great part in that.
That was not real reason. I can discuss it elsewhere. But I do think Type 81 is better than INSAS. I cant wait for INSAS to be replaced.

Does any side here use 160mm mortars? Indians have to be careful with howitzers, last time in 1967, Field Guns saved us.
 

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PLA and Indian Army border meeting held in every few months, Not border guards ..
Maybe PLA for ceremonial events like the border but even here you can't really tell. PAP units are mostly trained and dressed like the PLA except they have less heavy weapons. But they do have armor and helicopters. PAP and PLA in Tibet are around 100,000 together.

The Indian border is considered a safe, quiet one. Most of the PLA's mechanized divisions (its main fighting unit, though that is turning into brigades) are in the north and east. South and West are mainly guarded by the PAP.
 

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More on Type 81, some hot Sri Lankan Army guys with the Type 81 assault rifle! Love the rough types. lol

The one with the drum magazine is the Type 81 smg version.







 

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So that we end up with shinny sticks which are best to throw at enemy ..

That was not real reason. I can discuss it elsewhere. But I do think Type 81 is better than INSAS. I cant wait for INSAS to be replaced..
 

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@Bornubus is that rifle MPI-KMS of East German origin ?? If so, why aren't these guys using the newer Ghatak variant or the ones that are in completely in black furniture like this one:-

or the OFB made AK.
The one on top: I am leaning towards OFB made clone of AKM with waffle magazine.
The one at the bottom: OFB made INSAS LMG.

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So that we end up with shinny sticks which are best to throw at enemy ..
What do you mean? I want INSAS to be replaced by Excalibur. To penetrate Chinese BR vests we have to use longer rounds carrying more propellant charge and the barrel needs to be lengthened so the more gas is produced and is allowed to push the projectile for longer period. In return Excalibur's barrel needs to be made from finer metal.
 

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What do you mean? I want INSAS to be replaced by Excalibur. To penetrate Chinese BR vests we have to use longer rounds carrying more propellant charge and the barrel needs to be lengthened so the more gas is produced and is allowed to push the projectile for longer period. In return Excalibur's barrel needs to be made from finer metal.
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:....

Excalibur and INSAS both do use 5.56x45 mm. What you meant actually was 7.62x51 NATO or 7.62x39 AK round. Now 7.62 is a much heavier bullet and its muzzle velocity would always be less then the smaller 5.56. I am not quiet sure what you meant by longer rounds.
 

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:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:....

Excalibur and INSAS both do use 5.56x45 mm. What you meant actually was 7.62x51 NATO or 7.62x39 AK round. Now 7.62 is a much heavier bullet and its muzzle velocity would always be less then the smaller 5.56. I am not quiet sure what you meant by longer rounds.
What is reason behind facepalm? I know Excalibur is 5.56x45mm. Yet it is different from INSAS. By longer round I mean bullets of 5.56x45mm but they will be longer than usual 5.56x45mm to carry more propellant charge so that more gas is produced during deflagration to increase amount of gas to push the projectile.
 

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Their is no firearm call INSAS, Its 1B1 and Excalibur also falls in INSAS family ..

INSAS means = Indian Small Arm System

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1B1 has 18.3 inch barrel with 1:7 twist ratio, It shoots OFB FMJ 5.56mm of 4.16 gm which design to kill and heavier than NATO FMJ SS109 rounds which was design to wound and lethal upto 600ms with similar muzzle velocity of 2900ft per second, The round has steel core design to defeat level 3 BPJ ..

Only INSAS 1B1 and Excalibur as well as Ghatak able to withstand all trails and passed it, Most other foreign rifles failed in same environment, The metallurgy is finest and design to withstand Indian conditions.


What do you mean? I want INSAS to be replaced by Excalibur. To penetrate Chinese BR vests we have to use longer rounds carrying more propellant charge and the barrel needs to be lengthened so the more gas is produced and is allowed to push the projectile for longer period. In return Excalibur's barrel needs to be made from finer metal.
 

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What is reason behind facepalm? I know Excalibur is 5.56x45mm. Yet it is different from INSAS. By longer round I mean bullets of 5.56x45mm but they will be longer than usual 5.56x45mm to carry more propellant charge so that more gas is produced during deflagration to increase amount of gas to push the projectile.
As @Kunal Biswas already mentioned, Excalibur is just an advance derivative of INSAS 1B1. Now coming to round, 5.56 in a round means the diameter of the projectile. Means the projectile is 5.56 mm in diameter. Actual length of the projectile is around 20mm or 2 cm. The later 45 mm is the length of the case. It means the case holding the gun powder is of 45 mm or 4.5 cm in length.

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So by lengthening the 5.56x45 mm, you basically mean a totally new round.
 

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I dont mean totally new round, just the case will be longer to have more propellant charge while keeping 5.56x45mm diameter projectile.
 

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I dont mean totally new round, just the case will be longer to have more propellant charge while keeping 5.56x45mm diameter projectile.
Lets say the case gets elongated by 5 mm, then it would be 5.56x50mm, a totally new round.
 

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