Small arms and Light Weapons

[cobra commando]

Galil ACE, 7.62x39 SBR


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xjaCI3eoVxI

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

1B1 is a good rifle, I don`t know if they can accept that fact that 1B1 has edges over Chinese bull-pup, Vysa-versa ..

 

[hitesh]

Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

1B1 is a good rifle, I don`t know if they can accept that fact that 1B1 has edges over Chinese bull-pup, Vysa-versa ..

Sir jee let's not be bias , T97is out the league of 1B1

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

Learn to read first ...

Sir jee let's not be bias , T97is out the league of 1B1

 

[ALBY]

 

[AshutoshNSingh]

Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

Bullpup has less cons than conventional??????

 

[cobra commando]

The Modernized Howa Type 89 Rifle - The Firearm Blog

 

[militarysta]

TysiÄ…c Beryli dla Nigerii - Altair Agencja Lotnicza

1000 polish export Beryl version went to Nigeria, the Beryl for Nigeria are in Beryl M762 version - for ammo 7,62 mm x 39.
In 2015 Nigeria have plans to buy next 5000 Beryl rifles in Poland.

It's second export contract of polish Beryl rifles - first was to Lithuania - 80 Beryls for 5,56 mm x 45 deliverd for Lithuanian special forces unit SOJ.

 

[Akim]

Fort 221 (Tavor-24) 5.455x39

In the East of Ukraine in combat tested many kinds of AR. There are Croatian, Polish, Austrian samples AR.

 

[ALBY]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Too bulky ..

 

[ALBY]

Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

Even though off topic,Did any one bothered to make improvements over an 7.62X39 M43 round to increase its range and effectiveness just like there are many variants for a 5.56x45 round?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

A little Google ..

Even though off topic,Did any one bothered to make improvements over an 7.62X39 M43 round to increase its range and effectiveness just like there are many variants for a 5.56x45 round?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

What is the name of this gun?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It is a AR-15, Just customized with short-barrel and rails and covers ..

What is the name of this gun?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

It is a AR-15, Just customized with short-barrel and rails and covers ..

Thanks.....

 

[Akim]

Fort 227. 228 a licensed copy of the Galil ACE

 

[Ky Loung]

Re: INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

Of course, you will not understand since you have no practical experience and instead, merely theoretical.

All understand the generic root of the word 'suppression'. It is so evident.

However, in war, while one goes in for 'suppression' as is validated by the concept of 'fire and move', yet, the aim plus is while carrying out suppression, it is not aimless firing or what is called 'pooping off ammunition', but also to get kills in the bargain. A dead enemy is an enemy who cannot kill you and one 'bayonet strength' less to change the combat ratio.

As far your - Seriously, I starting to doubt you even hold a gun before . well, seriously I find you most amusingly delirious being too consumed in yourself. It is a rather vainglorious contention of yours that you alone are the expert in the world spouting theories. Might I say I have given you links too.


As far as all your theories, @Kunal has adequately answered you.

I pretty sure now you don't have any experience in firearms. There are a lot of different type of 7.62. So the lack of basic understanding of caliber is pretty damning. Not only that you do not understand how basic 101 combat works. You keep using suppression in a different definition than it really is.

Let me stress to everyone here the 5.56x45 is the most lethal round of the three major immediate cartridge. Rank from lethal to less lethal: 5.56x45, 5.45x39, 7.62x39. 7.62x39 is the worst in terms of lethal. It also have less range than the other two.

5.56x45 does not need to fragmentation to incapacitate a person. Fragmentation is a bonus. Fragmentation increase the chance of incapacitation. Remember other rounds like 5.45x39, 7.62x51NATO, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, etc does not fragmentate.

Know any Russian complaining 5.45x39 or 7.62x39 not lethal enough? The Russians like both 5.45x39 and 7.62x39 but they are less lethal than the 5.56. Again the reason why so much complaining about how weak the 5.56 is is due to Americans. When Americans compare 5.56 it not comparing it to other immediate cartridge. They are comparing to battle rifle cartridge.

Americans don't want "assault rifles". They want to switch back to battle rifle that chamber the biggest round humanly possible to carry. They want a caliber that can one shot Godzilla but you know what they going to shoot 10 more rounds into him. Overkill is not enough for Americans. That's how Americans thinks.

7.62x51NATO is the standard battler rifle cartridge. It's a very powerful round. Do you know what American think about it? Weak. Very weak for a battle rifle cartridge. When American military sniper had a chance to switch they went away from the "weak" 7.62x51NATO and gone with .300WM (Winchester Magnum).

Let me tell you about this round because I own a rifle chamber it. The .300WM is a very power round. So powerful that around 1000 rounds of slow fire (barrel cool down before another shot) it will need to change the barrel due to erosion. The faster you shoot before barrel cool down the faster the erosion. Now lets talk about pain. It very painful to shoot a .300WM. Within 20 shot or so you will feel it all week long and that's wearing a shoulder pad to take some punishment out of the recoil. .300WM only meet the minimum standard of American Snipers. They actually want an even more powerful round that hurt them even more. You know nothing more than dislocating a shoulder on the first round is enough Americans. Everything less than that is pussy.

Level 3 armor will protect you against at least one 7.62 @ 2780 fps which is 2575 ft.lbs of energy. Basically it design to protect one 7.62x51NATO round (M90). The video from below is rated at level 3. The test below use M193 which is a lead ball (.55gr) and M855 which is steel core (62gr) penetrator. Both 5.56 and use by the US military. Notice how much damage M193 does? Remember level 3 armor will protect you from a battle rifle round that travel 2789fps or lower. It won't protect you from a 5.56 going over 3200fps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMYkEMhPsO8&feature=youtu.be

This is the same type of plate was use on the video. Notice the hole on the paper? The plate like all plates was shot by one round of M90 (7.62x51NATO) before shipping. It shows the buyer the plate they are buying passed the test.

You can buy the body armor here.
http://www.ar500armor.com/?gclid=CIHAzdr8-MICFW4F7Aodz1IAtg

 

[Hari Sud]

There has been so much discussion on all the rifles of the world in this thread. It did not yield a thing at all.

There is nothing wrong with INSAS, after it has been improved and working in all types of weather conditions. It definitely not a close quarter weapon nor it is used for anti terrorist operations where terrorists come out firing a AK-47s.

One is reminded of M-16, American rifle from 1965 till 1972, when it was being dumped by American troops in Vietnam in favor of AK-47 in the field. It took that long to improve it and make it work. Since then, it is a fine weapon. So is INSAS.

In about five years, it's 20 years old INSAS will be ready to be replaced. Let us see what Indian Army replaces it with. As a starter let us curtail the blue glossy brochure which the Western arms merchants put out to entice the army. During tests in desert and cold Siachen, their products fail. Let the army come up with a recommendation of fine local weapon.

 

[Redhawk]

Nationalism and the thinking that the U.S. armed forces needed to adopt weapons of indigenous design led to the whole M16 and the M60 debacles in the late 1950s and 60s when it was it was as plain as day that FN had designed a better family of small arms than anything the Americans had come up with. The U.S. still ended up with the FN general-purpose machine in the 1980s gun after growing tired of the very flawed M60 when age and wear were making this inherently flawed weapon even more undesirable and detested by those who had to use it. The M16 continues on as the M4 after considerable reworking over many years but it still retains some of the faults inherent in the whole AR15 family of small arms.