Sino-Vietnam Conflicts : Spratley Islands and others

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Real footage: China massacred 64 people with 37mm anti-aircraft guns

On the occasion of celebrating the Chinese Navy 60th anniversary, a short clip that was taken by the Chinese navy in 1988 has been publicized by her state medien. It shows the actions of the Chinese navy in combat as the so called “self-defence” and conceals the reality of a massacre :
64 innocent Vietnamese people were killed by 37mm anti-craft guns from Chinese warships in a few seconds.

Youtube: YouTube - China´s massacre in Spratly islands (real footage 1988)
 

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This is cold blooded murder, crime against humanity and barbarity shown by the Chinese Navy and History will not forgive them.
 

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Hum...... God is there......
i accept u boss.
but communists donts trust the god.
but why r CPM[Maoists] take money from Christians Organizations and attack RSS or Swamiji's in Orissa ?
 

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This is cold blooded murder, crime against humanity and barbarity shown by the Chinese Navy and History will not forgive them.
The guys should have gone into the islands with means to fire back on to the ship and sink it.

PR of China never rests back on its territorial ambitions and claims.

They will do the same again with out thinking twice about it.
 

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This is pretty messed up. I am spreading this video around.. thanks for posting it.
 

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I would like to express my doubt about the autientication of such Video, since it only gives images in the form of Powerpoint and not a a real video. I do aware about Maritime confilct between china and vitenam, but haven't come across about any of such thing. Better, somebody post some more valid link to substantiate such video.
 

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I would like to express my doubt about the autientication of such Video, since it only gives images in the form of Powerpoint and not a a real video. I do aware about Maritime confilct between china and vitenam, but haven't come across about any of such thing. Better, somebody post some more valid link to substantiate such video.
the conflict happened in 1987. at that time CHina and Vientam all sent troop to disputed "spraltely Islands" and wanted to occupied them.

WHen both trooped encounted in a island called "Chigua reef", such a conflicts broked out.


In fact, both Vietnamese and Chinese in the footage were all soliers.

and it was indeed Vietnamese that "fired first"... of course, it may be indeed a just “fire accidentally" according to the following investigation.

But obviously CHinese has much better preparation,their warship were also much bigger and powerful than Vietnamese.
 
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over a 100,000 vietnamese civilians were killed by the Chinese in 9 days, but the Chinese still lost.
 

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over a 100,000 vietnamese civilians were killed by the Chinese in 9 days, but the Chinese still lost.
well ,how much do you konw about sino-viet conflict?:2guns:

in 1980s, China had 8 military regions(MR).

in fact, any of 8 MRs was enough to deal with Vietnam,but at that time, Chinese top leader Deng didn't want to upgrade the conflit and wanted to give every MR to have chance to take part in real war.

So Deng decided that the 8 MR should burden the defence of sino-viet bounday alternately ;

For exmple, in 1980, it was Guangzhou MR that sent troops to fight vietnamese.
in 1981,it was the turn of Chengdu MR. then the troops of Guangzhou MR all retreated and Chengdu MR sent troops to take over the postion.
in 1982, it maybe the turn of Nanjin MR,then Nanjing MR sent troop to take over the postion of Chengdu MR and the troop of Chengdu MR all retreated .
when all 8 MR finished their turn, it was already 1988 .
During the whole 1980s, Vietnam had to keep 1 million+ sodilers,just to "defeat any invasion from north" . high defence budget make Vietnam miss the chance of industrialization. When Vietnam woke up in 1988, CHina's economy had already be 1 decade ahead of Vietnam.

In China, such a plan is called "两山轮训”(Alternate Training in sino-viet boundary)
 

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So you are telling that killing 100,000 is a noble act of Chinese?
 

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First of all, you've said nine days. It was 45 days of fighting. Secondly, while the Vietnamese would like to attribute all the deaths to direct Chinese action, the sad fact is that most of these deaths happened during the fight for the provincial capitals, meaning house-to-house, room-to-room fighting. As course of such combat, the Vietnamese are also responsible for civilian casualties.

Lastly, I don't know how you can claim China lost when all OPOBJs were achieved.
 
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ok if it makes you happy Chinese won where NATO/USA/FRANCE all lost, in a much quicker time.
 

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hey LF sir rather we should call it a " Disceplaniary action" Isnt that right Badguy 2000

The PRC, now under Deng Xiaoping, was growing increasingly defiant, and Deng Xiaoping was speaking to American president Jimmy Carter during Deng's brief visit to the USA: "It's time to smack the bottom of unruly little children" (original Chinese words: 小朋友不聴話,該打打屁股了)
the Causi bille said by the PRC "The reason cited for the counter strike was the supposed mistreatment of Vietnam's ethnic Chinese minority and the Vietnamese occupation of the Spratly Islands (claimed by the PRC)."

Orbats of the Forces

Chinese order of battle

Guangxi Direction (East Front) commanded by the Front Headquarter of Guangzhou Military Region in Nanning. Commander-Xu Shiyou, Political Commissar-Xiang Zhonghua, Chief of Staff-Zhou Deli
North Group: Commander-Ou Zhifu (Deputy Commander of Guangzhou Military Region)
41st Corps Commander-Zhang Xudeng, Political Commissar-Liu Zhanrong
121st Infantry Division Commander-Zheng Wenshui
122nd Infantry Division Commander-Li Xinliang
123rd Infantry Division Commander-Li Peijiang
South Group: Commander-Wu Zhong (Deputy Commander of Guangzhou Military Region)
42nd Corps Commander-Wei Huajie, Political Commissar-Xun Li
124th Infantry Division Commander-Gu Hui
125th Infantry Division
126th Infantry Division
East Group: Commander-Jiang Xieyuan (Deputy Commander of Guangzhou Military Region)
55th Corps Commander-Zhu Yuehua, Temporary Political Commissar-Guo Changzeng
163rd Infantry Division Commander-Bian Guixiang, Political Commissar-Wu Enqing, Chief of Staff-Xing Shizhong
164th Infantry Division Commander-Xiao Xuchu (also Deputy Commander of 55th Corps)
165th Infantry Division
1st Artillery Division
Reserve Group (came from Wuhan Military Region except 50th Corps from Chengdu Military Region), Deputy Commander-Han Huaizhi (Commander of 54th Corps)
43rd Corp Commander-Zhu Chuanyu, Temporary Political Commissar-Zhao Shengchang
127th Infantry Division Commander-Zhang Wannian (also as the Deputy Commander of 43rd Corps)
128th Infantry Division
129th Infantry Division
54th Corsp Commander-Han Huaizhi (pluralism), Political Commissar-Zhu Zhiwei
160th Infantry Division (commanded by 41st Corp in this war) Commander-Zhang Zhixin, Political Commissar-Li Zhaogui
161st Infantry Division
162nd Infantry Division Commander-Li Jiulong
50th Corps Temporary Commander-Liu Guangtong, Political Commissar-Gao Xingyao
148th Infantry Division
150th Infantry Division
20th Corps (only dispatched the 58th Division into the war)
58th Infantry Division (commanded by the 50th Corps during the war)
Guangxi Military Region (as a provincial military region) Commander-Zhao Xinran Chief of Staff-Yin Xi
1st Regiment of Frontier Defense in Youyiguan Pass
2nd Regiment of Frontier Defense in Baise District
3rd Regiment of Frontier Defense in Fangcheng County
The Independent Infantry Division of Guangxi Military Region
Air Force of Guangzhou Military Region (armed patrol in the sky of Guangxi, did not see combat)
7th Air Force Corp
13th Air Force Division (aerotransport unit came from Hubei province)
70th Antiaircraft Artillery Division
The 217 Fleet of South Sea Fleet
8th Navy Aviation Division
The Independent Tank Regiment of Guangzhou Military Region
83rd Bateau Boat Regiment
84th Bateau Boat Regiment
Yunnan Direction (the West Front) commanded by the Front Headquarter of Kunming Military Region in Kaiyuan. Commander-Yang Dezhi, Political Commissar-Liu Zhijian, Chief of Staff-Sun Ganqing
11th Corp(consisted of two divisions) Commander-Chen Jiagui, Political Commissar-Zhang Qi
31st Infantry Division
32nd Infantry Division
13th Corps(camed from Chengdu Military Region) Commander-Yan Shouqing, Political Commissar-Qiao Xueting
37th Infantry Division
38th Infantry Division
39th Infantry Division
14th Corp Commander-Zhang Jinghua, Political Commissar-Fan Xinyou
40th Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
42nd Infantry Division
149th Infantry Division (from Chengdu Military Region, belonged to 50th Corps, assigned to Yunnan Direction during the war)
Yunnan Military Region (as a provincial military region)
11th Regiment of Frontier Defense in Maguan County
12th Regiment of Frontier Defense in Malipo County
13th Regiment of Frontier Defense in
14th Regiment of Frontier Defense in
The Independent Infantry Division of Yunnan Military Region commanded by 11th Corps in the war
65th Antiaircraft Artillery Division
4th Artillery Division
Independent Tank Regiment of Kunming Military Region
86th Bateau Boat Regiment
23rd Logistic Branch consisted of five army service stations, six hospitals, eleven medical establishments)
17th Automobile Regiment commanded by 13th Corps during the war
22nd Automobile Regiment
5th Air Force Corps
44th Air Force Division (fighter unit)
Independent unit of 27th Air Force Division
15th Air Force Antiaircraft Artillery Division

Vietnamese Forces
Many of Vietnam's elite troops were in Cambodia keeping a tight grip on its newly occupied territory. The Vietnamese government claimed they left only a force of about 70,000 including several army regular divisions and divisions of the Public Security Army (the Vietnamese equivalent of border guards) in its northern area. However, the Chinese claimed to have encountered twice this number. This concept of using local militias to fight the enemy has been a staple of Vietnamese defense strategy since antiquity. The PLA managed to advance about twenty five kilometres into Vietnam, with fighting mainly occurring in the provinces of Cao Bang, Lao Cai and Lang Son. On March 6, the Chinese occupied the city of Lang Son. They claimed the gate to Hanoi was open, declared their punitive mission achieved, and withdrew.
 

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ok if it makes you happy Chinese won where NATO/USA/FRANCE all lost, in a much quicker time.
Sensationalism does not make your case, especially factually incorrect sensationalism. NATO was never in Vietnam.

Tactically, the Vietnamese gave the Chinese a whopping buit operationally and strategically, the Chinese came out ahead.

Vietnamese Forces
Many of Vietnam's elite troops were in Cambodia keeping a tight grip on its newly occupied territory. The Vietnamese government claimed they left only a force of about 70,000 including several army regular divisions and divisions of the Public Security Army (the Vietnamese equivalent of border guards) in its northern area. However, the Chinese claimed to have encountered twice this number. This concept of using local militias to fight the enemy has been a staple of Vietnamese defense strategy since antiquity. The PLA managed to advance about twenty five kilometres into Vietnam, with fighting mainly occurring in the provinces of Cao Bang, Lao Cai and Lang Son. On March 6, the Chinese occupied the city of Lang Son. They claimed the gate to Hanoi was open, declared their punitive mission achieved, and withdrew.
The only thing non-elite about the Vietnamese defenders is that they weren't wearing the right cap badges. A lot were veterans from being in south Vietnam and the fighting was both tenacious and determined.

Plus, they were ready. They had six months to prepare. The regular Vietnamese soldier has nothing to complain about. Their leadership, however, don't believe in real time command.
 
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NATO defeat was in Korea by China, true Vietnam just defeated the French and USA.
 

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