Tell that to your Paki friendsHow you know they will fly with those engines for the next 30 years. For all you know, they could be stop gap until chinese engines are available.
And most airforces buy spares including engines. What makes you think they will be affected during a conflict. They could be in a storage somewhere.
And Polar bear gives nothing for free. You should know that by now.
Do you really think India would be able to influence Russia's decision ? I don't think Ruskies are the same now as they were in the 70s. They are watching carefully India doing deals with Israel and America........In case of a war, it is obvious that Russia would support India. Sanctions on the AL-31 would mean a pretty good deal for us.
Even though it sounds mean I still like this thoughtNon delivery of the Russian engines will mean the WS-13 and WS-10 projects will be fast tracked and more resources will be spent on it. Nobody wants that, including Russia because more markets will open up for export with indigenous Chinese engines.
So, what would you prefer? PAF flying all their aircraft for the next 30 years on Russian engines which they(China) have limited technology on or aircraft with full control of the engines.
Logic people logic. It is advantageous to India if Pak and China are forced to import engines from Russia. Also let the Russians make money, they earned it after having spent the last 20 years of the cold war giving us free weapons.
And Pakistan rocks all the non existent stuff.China can produce any sparepart for anything known TO EXIST in this world
We need to shift strategic interests towards Israel and france give russia minimumOne would always behave very practically when they have an upper hand and space to protect their interests.
But when tables are turned and the other side has that stand, one acts "Hey this is not fair !!" kind of emotional.
Pakistan demands bheek from every nation.while pak might get more rd93 but i doubt about the al31 for j10.
Pakistan has already demanded rd93 overhaul facility.so no need of Russian in future when the Ws13 IS based on rd93 and is a much similar
we might get rd93ma for jft which has a 91.5kn thrust
while the jft 3 will have Ws13B.
Anyway
China can produce any sparepart for anything known TO EXIST in this world
Bcoz they are the "najayaz aulaad" u see^^ I have noticed more than once, that Pakis have this great sense of entitlement where they "demand" things from everyone in the world as if it is their birthright.
If you induct an aircraft with a particular engine, you will prefer to keep the same engine. Let's not forget new AL-31s were ordered by China for older aircraft.How you know they will fly with those engines for the next 30 years. For all you know, they could be stop gap until chinese engines are available.
You never know what may happen during service. Case in point IAF MKIs have issues in the FBW and engines, Russia is needed to fix them. The problems were identified after nearly 10 years of service. Similar problems may crop up for both JF-17 and J-10. Aircraft business does not come with guaranteed reliability.And most airforces buy spares including engines. What makes you think they will be affected during a conflict. They could be in a storage somewhere.
I hardly doubt India can stop the re-export of the engines. During war Russia will follow Indian demands.Do you really think India would be able to influence Russia's decision ? I don't think Ruskies are the same now as they were in the 70s. They are watching carefully India doing deals with Israel and America.
That's still 100 JF-17s with RD-93. If AL-31 is chosen for 40 J-10s, then that's still 40 J-10s. Quite a big number.we might get rd93ma for jft which has a 91.5kn thrust
while the jft 3 will have Ws13B.
You will be surprised to know how complex engine designs are. Russian engines are mostly use and throw. Something gets spoilt, you will need new engines or even Russian support. Chinese support won't do anything here.Anyway
China can produce any sparepart for anything known TO EXIST in this world
I guess I didn't put it clearly...it's clear that India will not be able to stop re-export.... What I meant was even during war I don't think today's Ruskies will listen to India...they are not the same anymore... they are desperate for $$$...with enough money probably you can spend a night with Putin's young gf... Also now China is as good a "friend" to Russia as India is...If you look at Russia's stand in the middle east politics, they don't care anymore as to what is "right"... all they want to do is go against the US. If Pakistan,China is another ticket for them to go against the US for sure they will use it...I hardly doubt India can stop the re-export of the engines. During war Russia will follow Indian demands.
^^ Still think this says nothing about Russia not being a good friend.
Russia selling through Ukraine seems a bit absurd, though not completely impossible.