Alrite let's assume for a minute that I, as a student of politics, don't know what the meaning of fascism is. So, you tell me Tshering, what is fascism? Give me a definitional meaning of the word, and some credible, institutional sources to back it up. So that I know, we're not just wastin' time.
You don't know the meaning of fascism dude. Congress is the most anti of everything Indian whether faiths or social customs ever. Take a trip to various parts of country where you will find evidences. I am not saying that RSS may be always right. Shastra Pooja is a ritual of theirs and the reason why this country has not become a theocratic lunacy till now despite having more than 10 million potentially armed volunteers of RSS is because they know the difference as an organization between terrorism and nationalism. Otherwise how long do you think it would take 10 million people to dethrone democracy and execute everyone like Communists did? Not even a year.
So you're telling me that the reason this nation has not become a 'theocratic lunacy', is because the RSS have stayed their hand, and that therefore they are a sentient and sensible organization, and that makes them a non-fascist, pro-integrationist, lovely diversity organization? That they know the 'difference between terrorism and nationalism'? Tell me, how do they define nationalism? What exactly, have they done for non-Hindu groups? Because our 'nationalism' today is a multi-faith, faceted approach.
Have you read the RSS manifesto? Have you read some of their early works, works that, to this day, remain the guiding light of the organization? Or the biographies of their early leaders? What do you see?
The RSS is definitionally 'fascist'. That is what they define themselves as. There is no disupute about it. It is not me attributing the word to them.
Have you read M.S. Gowalkar's words about Fascism in Germany:
"German Race pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races—the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by".
http://books.google.ca/books?id=Vuk...&resnum=8&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false
Or perhaps I should quote you Moonje, mentor of Hedgewar, RSS founder:
"I have thought out a scheme based on Hindu Dharm Shashtra which provides for standardisation of Hinduism throughout India. But the point is that this ideal cannot be brought to effect unless we have our own swaraj with a Hindu as a dictator like Shivaji of old or Mussolini or Hitler of the present day in Italy or Germany."
Yes, as a rule I agree with Hedgewar that the fundamental reason Hindus have been subjugated and oppressed by foreigners in India, has not been external, but rather due to a 'fundamental flaw' in Hindu character. But the remedy for that is not violent fascism, not integrating the 'other' within a Hindu code, or making that the basis for totalitarian citizenship. It is about being stronger within, about pride (not a misplaced pride) in your sense of identity and about being capable, without having to bragg about it.
Congress has a history of direct and indirect atrocities against different faith branches. First it plays politics to appease them, sucks all the juice out of them and throws them to the dogs. It did this with the Sikh brothers and gave rise to Khalistan movement. Then when it became a real problem, made it look like a hero operation and you know the 1984 result. Same way it promised us grants as "minorities" for monasteries and facilities orally and when later we and our Arunachali cousins complained about religion-themed militancy in NE by so-called self-proclaimed groups like Isaak Muivah, they left us for dogs (I have even posted a thread about Arunachalis complaining about this here.. do read it).
Hold on a minute, didn't you read what I just said?
"And yes, nobody exonerates the Cun*gress from all the bull shit they have done."
Haven't you seen me tearing the Congress when they make mistakes. When they make stupid deals? with the MEA and the Ministry of Defence? or on the Khalistan issue? Have I not called for the arrest and imprisonment of Jagdish Tytler, a renegade and a criminal, in equally vociferous terms? Despite the fact that he has not been indicted on the 'technical grounds of a court of law'?
So, I'll say it again: "The Congress is not exonerated nor exempt from blame for all the shit they have done.
But no, that is not a license to exonerate the RSS from what they have done, and what they may do. But evidently, you seem to think it does...
The difference is in the character of the organization. What is defined as fascist, will always remain fascist. Definitionally and potentially, and in all its institutional leanings and subjugates. It cannot be called to account. On the other hand, what is secular can always be held to account. Because it acts one way, and proclaims itself another. And when it is held to account, it is held to account under the laws and institutions of the nation. The RSS is fascist, right up there with the SIMI and Isaak Muivaah. The Congress is not, it is a left-leaning, bumbling, corrupt party, no more so than any other party of India.
This same thing Congress is doing with Muslims and Christians now what it did with Khalistan issue: using them and once their use is over, they will do worse than what RSS is falsely blamed to do with them. I just want people to realize this dirt of the Con-party. Using and abusing the country's different rich communities for their dirty use.
Ehh? What exactly is the Congress doing to systematically 'alienate' Hindus, persecute them or marginalize them? Is it withholding funds from Hindu-majority states? Is it overriding their politics or sending the CISF or the CRPF in? Is it installing Muslim leaders, where the Hindus don't want them? Or perhaps giving more benefits to one group of society than another? Is it ghettoizing them? or excluding them from jobs or fat fvckin' pensions checks? Is it planting Aseemanand and co. and weapons at RSS shakhas and Bhaktivedanta book trusts? Is it letting off Muslim criminals mass alight?
And what benefit, exactly, are the morons supposed to get from 'using' or pandering to Muslims or Christians in a Hindu majority country? What electoral benefit exactly. What political benefit? Because I assume, this is a national phenomenon, and many Hindus and people like you of sister-faiths, are pissed off about this and not about the mass-corruption that is swamping this country. Explain it to me please, because I fail to see.
BJP is not a hero and infact it is an idiot in many cases and I agree; but it is anything far better than this. And remember, reducing the devil's status can only be done in a step by step process. If we don't punish the parties' faults in a democracy, then what is the use of a democracy?
Let me tell you a couple a three things.
It was during the era of the BJP, that India's most prestigious symbol, the seat of its power, was attacked.
It was during the era of the BJP, that this Government bent over and kowtowed to the demands of airline hijackers, even when the airline was on foreign soil and troops were positioned to cut them up. Interestingly, one of those released coons went on to found the Jaish-e-Mohammed, that organization that continues the 'struggle for Kashmir'. Interesting, how mute the reactions become when I point out that the NDA failed to deal with them Russian Chechnya-style, even when the plane was on foreign soil We then start to talk about 'Indian lives' and the 'precious ity of them'. Even in the aftermath! After all, ain't that what you expected of them!
It was during the era of the BJP, that 15 BSF soldiers were abducted and butchered by Bangladesh rifles across the border. Then had their mutilated bodies carried like carcasses of animals to be delivered to the waiting soldiers at the border, all without a whimper.
Let's cut to the circular and get to the point. The BJP, in its record, has not proved to be 'anyday better' than them. They have failed to kickstart economic reforms, failed to retaliate to terrorism, failed to anticipate wars and then decisively win them. They have fueled internal discontent, failed to prosecute all terror groups involved, failed to curtail inflation (you're talkin about the price rise now!), been far more pal-ly with the neighbouring state, signed the most putrid deal in recognition of Tibet being sovereign Chinese territory, wimped out at the big organizations and been a mess domestically and with their own image.
All things, incidentally, which remind me of the Congress.
Only difference is, the Congress has actually managed to be a lil less vicious and visceral in its degree.
The thing is, we educated people get disgusted with politics and don't go for voting. This reduces the threat to such people as Con-party. So they go to the purposely-kept-illiterate very very poor villagers and tribals for vote and hence they come to power.
The thing is: we educated people get equally conned by all parties: this is the flip side of that fancy word we call the 'incumbency effect'. Without realizing, that our options are far more limited than we actually think.
Ever since booth capturing has stopped, another new tactic has come up; buying off last minute votes.
I don't know what train you're getting at. But if you're alleging that the last general election was rigged to engineer, assign or 'somehow construe' a Congress victory, you've got a lot to prove. Notwithstanding the fact, that it is impossible to engineer a victory on such a wide scale, especially when you're not the incumbent party. And that the BJP have equal means and political sympathies to do so, if they wish. Districts maybe, but states and Centres, no.
