Pakistan getting F-16 block 70 and other stuff

[itsme]

What do you mean? Instead of wasting bandwidth with useless one liners please try to contribute something on this new threat coming....

That is cause what you've mentioned is totally BS. First of all those F16s when attacking couldn't bring down our MKIs and the reason MKIs dint engage was cause of ROE and the max range of AMRAAMS. M2K was not in that vicinity to engage F16s, they kept those JF17s at bay. And the worst part for the PAF is they lost a F16 to a MiG21 over their territory. SDR purchase was decided before Balakot, IAF dint get R27 they got R77 extnd version. You're saying they will attack India like Israel does to Syria? Are you a frigging retard?The PAF 27th action itself for a huge failure other than propaganda points. And with their shitty economy it will be funny to see how they get 100+ Block 70s their Block 50 is also not 50+ I think.And I dont even think that is real news. If you gonna be spreading the Pakis propaganda take it else where. What you have mentioned is not logical discussion you are just trolling.

 

[vishwaprasad]

Are you an idiot or a false flag?

I'm not false flager

Rafale (at least 72 will be ordered) with Metoer
and AESA radar

With the speed our MOD works not possible in next 5-10 years. Apart from this I think US AESA and latest AMARAAM versions will have an edge over French AESA and meteor.

300+ LCA armed with ASRAAM, Astra and DERBY-ER and with AESA

I would love to see this happening but right now it's just a laughable dream.

300+ SU30MKI armed with Astra, R77 (possibly Meteor and or DERBY-ER also). At some point they will have AESA also (either Russian or an uprated UTTAM)

Till 27th Feb mki was F 16 killer by default.... Now we are so shocked that we need above upgrade to deal with block 52... Let alone block 70

That’s at least 700 jets with AESA radars and cutting edge BVRAAMs. Add on top of this world class AWACS, C&C, ISR assets and support infra.

Tough times ahead for the PAF.



As for this news, I’ll believe it when I see it 1) Pakis can’t afford it 2) of US does this the relationship with India is going to suffer very badly

Pakis won't purchase them most probably it's baksheesh to that bhikhari nation as usual but then they will have superiority over us and we will be in trouble... It's a fact

 

[vishwaprasad]

That is cause what you've mentioned is totally BS. First of all those F16s when attacking couldn't bring down our MKIs and the reason MKIs dint engage was cause of ROE and the max range of AMRAAMS.

What BS ROE are we talking about.

Paf violated our air space to hunt our fighters, tried bombing our army base and darpok IAF was worried about ROE????

Any Air Force would have immediately engaged attacking jets and shot them down.... They were attacking us and our pilots were concerned about ROE.... Absolute BS.....

Fact is they were defeated and they were simply unable to break the locks and engage F 16 and hence they started hiding this out under the name of ROE

M2K was not in that vicinity to engage F16s, they kept those JF17s at bay. And the worst part for the PAF is they lost a F16 to a MiG21 over their territory.

Where is the proof??? Paf at least shot down our bison and captured our pilot. We have not given any kind of such spanking to them.... All I know is modi was saying that IAF is missing the rafales.... This is enough to show the outcome

SDR purchase was decided before Balakot, IAF dint get R27 they got R77 extnd version. You're saying they will attack India like Israel does to Syria? Are you a frigging retard?The PAF 27th action itself for a huge failure other than propaganda points. And with their shitty economy it will be funny to see how they get 100+ Block 70s their Block 50 is also not 50+ I think.And I dont even think that is real news. If you gonna be spreading the Pakis propaganda take it else where. What you have mentioned is not logical discussion you are just trolling.

Actually 27th attack was Israel style on Syria where we didn't even retaliate after they tried bombing our army base.... It's really humiliating that one of fastest growing economy could not do anything to this shitty economy as a punishment

 

[asianobserve]

Why can't India just buy the whole goddam F-16 assembly line and produce F-16 Block 70 in masse and at the same time starve Pakistan of parts or deny them future upgrades? That's going to be both a tactical and a strategic masterstroke.

F-16 Block 70 is really a very good fighter short of F-35. Especially with AIM 120D and perhaps later AIM260. All else are overrated.

 

[vishwaprasad]

Why can't India just buy the whole goddam F-16 assembly line and produce F-16 Block 70 in masse and at the same time starve Pakistan of parts or deny them future upgrades? That's going to be both a tactical and a strategic masterstroke.

F-16 Block 70 is really a very good fighter short of F-35. Especially with AIM 120D and perhaps later AIM260. All else are overrated.

We can't purchase strings attached American jets.... Big no to American offensive platforms.

Yes F 16 block 70 is a big threat and its only short to F 35....

In my honest opinion we are left with below options now to counter this new threat F 16 block 70/72

Kick start akash missiles production in larger nos

Try to purchase at least 15 more units of S400....

Triple up the requirement for barak 8

Try to increase the nos of phalcon AWACS

Finally try to get Rafales at least up to 100 so at least we can defend our skies from block 70....

MKIs, fulcrums can work as a second layer defence behind Rafales and M2K fleet as an interceptor over our own skies in case block 70s overwhelm rafales/M2K and try to achieve air superiority

 

[abingdonboy]

With the speed our MOD works not possible in next 5-10 years. Apart from this I think US AESA and latest AMARAAM versions will have an edge over French AESA and meteor.

Absolutely no evidence for this nonsense.

Besides you really think US is going to give it’s cutting edge to Pakis (or India)? Stripped down export versions at best.

Rafale+Meteor is far more deadly than anyone else in Asia can muster for decades to come.

I would love to see this happening but right now it's just a laughable dream.

Well it’s what the roadmap is.

Till 27th Feb mki was F 16 killer by default.... Now we are so shocked that we need above upgrade to deal with block 52... Let alone block 70

Huh? MKIs performed just fine. They kept the PAF on the run, whenever they entered the airspace pakis shit their pants and despite their best efforts of ambushing MKI flights the superior training of IAF kept PAF killless.

they will have superiority over us and we will be in trouble... It's a fact

No they really won’t. You are just talking nonsense.

Why can't India just buy the whole goddam F-16 assembly line and produce F-16 Block 70 in masse and at the same time starve Pakistan of parts or deny them future upgrades? That's going to be both a tactical and a strategic masterstroke.

F-16 Block 70 is really a very good fighter short of F-35. Especially with AIM 120D and perhaps later AIM260. All else are overrated.

Becuase IAF doesn’t want it and it will be counter productive to India’s own aerospace industry.

 

[vishwaprasad]

Abindonboy you are saying MKI did fine and kept F 16 on run.... Don't you think results say something different? MKI only ran away to save itself from AMARAAM. They couldn't even engaged F 16 instead choose to avoid it. In mighty MKI presence F 16 shot down bison in broad daylight then what FINE actually MKI did?

Why modi was saying if country had Rafales the outcome would have been different???

 

[itsme]

What BS ROE are we talking about.

Paf violated our air space to hunt our fighters, tried bombing our army base and darpok IAF was worried about ROE????

Any Air Force would have immediately engaged attacking jets and shot them down.... They were attacking us and our pilots were concerned about ROE.... Absolute BS.....

Fact is they were defeated and they were simply unable to break the locks and engage F 16 and hence they started hiding this out under the name of ROE



Where is the proof??? Paf at least shot down our bison and captured our pilot. We have not given any kind of such spanking to them.... All I know is modi was saying that IAF is missing the rafales.... This is enough to show the outcome



Actually 27th attack was Israel style on Syria where we didn't even retaliate after they tried bombing our army base.... It's really humiliating that one of fastest growing economy could not do anything to this shitty economy as a punishment

Hhahaah dude you are a Paki troll. Total illogical posts the same fake bravado.

ROE was not to first fire. Cause the F16s were able to fire first MKIs went into def mode that is when the Mirages dropped bombs from their airspace. they did not cross into India. This has been even confirmed by Gayfool. The same "darpok" IAF previous day crossed LOC and roasted pigs and the brave PAF dint even bother intercepting cause of the MKIs which did not shoot first unless fired upon. That is why IAF followed the ROE of not shooting first the next day. F16s fires missiles to bring down MKI and they failed so, how is that you claim they were "defeated". Mig 21 crossing the LOC was unexpexted for both sides but it dint cross for fun. It got a F16 kill and sadly that pilot is still not acknowledged by Pakis.

Proof of what? IAF has provided the radar signature. Other proof is from Pakistan only. ISPR saying 3 pilots, 2 pilots then show only 1. What happened to the other two pilots? The R73 dint have a warhead. Then multiple sightings of 2-3 parachutes. Is it coincidence all of these points to another plane going down over POK? Modi was saying we needed Rafale for having overwhelming superiority, that is PAF wouldn't get away with only 1 loss.

Hahah Israeli style? Knocking the door and running? Its like insulting the Israeli air strikes, 26th was more of an Israeli airstrike. The only similarity with Israeli strikes is loosing a F16 haha Man, you dont have no idea of what you talking. First of all their target on our side doesn't require an air strike to hit. They can very well use their Artillery but they still chose PAF to drop bombs "safely" from their airspace, it was to put up a drama for their people. Our pilot ending behind enemy lines helped with that.

Moreover IAF defended our air space from PAF. PAF failed in its mission. But, I agree we should retaliate and retaliate IAF will, at the right time n place. PAF's plan was hasty that is why their mission failed and lost an aircraft. But see 26th air strike by IAF it was planned and executed meticulously. It was an Intel op not a military op, what PAF carried out was military op and IAF will carry it out , just the matter of time.

Now if you a false flag Paki all this will be beyond you as you're a product of Paki propaganda.

 

[itsme]

We can't purchase strings attached American jets.... Big no to American offensive platforms.

Yes F 16 block 70 is a big threat and its only short to F 35....

In my honest opinion we are left with below options now to counter this new threat F 16 block 70/72

Kick start akash missiles production in larger nos

Try to purchase at least 15 more units of S400....

Triple up the requirement for barak 8

Try to increase the nos of phalcon AWACS

Finally try to get Rafales at least up to 100 so at least we can defend our skies from block 70....

MKIs, fulcrums can work as a second layer defence behind Rafales and M2K fleet as an interceptor over our own skies in case block 70s overwhelm rafales/M2K and try to achieve air superiority

Hahahahaahahahah a fighter which IAF rejected for Rafales will overwhelm Rafales? That too in Paki hands? Firstly they aint gonna get the block 70.

 

[itsme]

Abindonboy you are saying MKI did fine and kept F 16 on run.... Don't you think results say something different? MKI only ran away to save itself from AMARAAM. They couldn't even engaged F 16 instead choose to avoid it. In mighty MKI presence F 16 shot down bison in broad daylight then what FINE actually MKI did?

Why modi was saying if country had Rafales the outcome would have been different???

What results? The failed mission of PAF or loosing F16 to Mig21? 26th they dint intercept M2ks was cause of MKIs. 27th they failed mission was of MKIs and Migs.

 

[itsme]

I'm not false flager



With the speed our MOD works not possible in next 5-10 years. Apart from this I think US AESA and latest AMARAAM versions will have an edge over French AESA and meteor.



I would love to see this happening but right now it's just a laughable dream.



Till 27th Feb mki was F 16 killer by default.... Now we are so shocked that we need above upgrade to deal with block 52... Let alone block 70



Pakis won't purchase them most probably it's baksheesh to that bhikhari nation as usual but then they will have superiority over us and we will be in trouble... It's a fact

Oh one more thing. Migs were lost in Kargil too so, this is nothing new or unprcedented what the Pakis did. Have they released any proof that the Mig lost was actually an air to air kill? It might as well be ground fire or knowing migs, it malfunctioned. But you still believe their F16 got our Migs with them providing literally 0 proofs of an air to air kill.

 

[abingdonboy]

Abindonboy you are saying MKI did fine and kept F 16 on run.... Don't you think results say something different? MKI only ran away to save itself from AMARAAM. They couldn't even engaged F 16 instead choose to avoid it. In mighty MKI presence F 16 shot down bison in broad daylight then what FINE actually MKI did?

Why modi was saying if country had Rafales the outcome would have been different???

It has nothing to do with the platform. MKIs were restricted by ROEs, they had plenty of opportunities to take out PAF assets, the fact is PAF made it their mission to down an MKI and failed on everyone occasion and fired multiple AMRAAMs into India but couldn’t make contact on any occasions.

The Bison WC was acting very much beyond the scope of what IAF leadership had declared acceptable but that is what it is and very much covered by fog of war.

Your assertion that the MKIs failing to down F16s in POK/Paki territory is a failure of the MKI is utterly absurd. That would’ve been the start of a war.

 

[vishwaprasad]

Hhahaah dude you are a Paki troll. Total illogical posts the same fake bravado.

I'm not paki... Plz don't call me paki

ROE was not to first fire. Cause the F16s were able to fire first MKIs went into def mode that is when the Mirages dropped bombs from their airspace. they did not cross into India. This has been even confirmed by Gayfool. The same "darpok" IAF previous day crossed LOC and roasted pigs and the brave PAF dint even bother intercepting cause of the MKIs which did not shoot first unless fired upon. That is why IAF followed the ROE of not shooting first the next day. F16s fires missiles to bring down MKI and they failed so, how is that you claim they were "defeated". Mig 21 crossing the LOC was unexpexted for both sides but it dint cross for fun. It got a F16 kill and sadly that pilot is still not acknowledged by Pakis.

Firstly they crossed LOC 2/3 km inside kashmir and dropped H4 bombs on our army base. F16 provided them cover while forcing our flankers leave the battle space with its superior jammer technology and AMARAAM. While they were returning they ambushed IAF and bagged a bison kill. Think why F 16 was able to fire first and not flanker.... Just because of the superior technology of Viper block 52....

For F 16 kill it's same like paf is bluffing on flanker kill....

Proof of what? IAF has provided the radar signature. Other proof is from Pakistan only. ISPR saying 3 pilots, 2 pilots then show only 1. What happened to the other two pilots? The R73 dint have a warhead. Then multiple sightings of 2-3 parachutes. Is it coincidence all of these points to another plane going down over POK? Modi was saying we needed Rafale for having overwhelming superiority, that is PAF wouldn't get away with only 1 loss.

Those paint brush radar images any kid can draw and show. It's not a solid proof and even world didn't take it as an evidence... Only we on IDF will accept it to make ourselves happy.

If you are so sure that 2 other pilots were from F 16 D version then our flankers too are 2 pilots jets.... In short both India and pak don't have any solid proof who's top of the line jet was shot down....

Hahah Israeli style? Knocking the door and running? Its like insulting the Israeli air strikes, 26th was more of an Israeli airstrike. The only similarity with Israeli strikes is loosing a F16 haha Man, you dont have no idea of what you talking. First of all their target on our side doesn't require an air strike to hit. They can very well use their Artillery but they still chose PAF to drop bombs "safely" from their airspace, it was to put up a drama for their people. Our pilot ending behind enemy lines helped with that.

Moreover IAF defended our air space from PAF. PAF failed in its mission. But, I agree we should retaliate and retaliate IAF will, at the right time n place. PAF's plan was hasty that is why their mission failed and lost an aircraft. But see 26th air strike by IAF it was planned and executed meticulously. It was an Intel op not a military op, what PAF carried out was military op and IAF will carry it out , just the matter of time.

Now if you a false flag Paki all this will be beyond you as you're a product of Paki propaganda.

Crossing LOC 2/3 km inside and dropping bombs in country which boasts of having one of the most powerful Air Forces around the globe is not called knocking door and running... In fact even Israel and US has not done this before to a country in class of India. As an Indian I'm myself too disgusted with what happened on 27th Feb but we instead of fooling ourselves we should discuss what countermeasures to be taken to avoid such embarrassment next time and what can we do to deal with this new threat F 16 block 70/72 and PAC 3

 

[vishwaprasad]

Hahahahaahahahah a fighter which IAF rejected for Rafales will overwhelm Rafales? That too in Paki hands? Firstly they aint gonna get the block 70.

F16 block 70 is non stealthy version of JSF.... With AMARAAM 120 D version and APG 83 AESA radars they currently have an advantage over Rafales.... Yes Rafales F 5 versions will be ahead of them though.
India didn't reject American jets because they are any less than Rafale or Typhoon, it's just because we don't want any strings attached jets in IAF

 

[Deathstar]

F16 block 70 is non stealthy version of JSF.... With AMARAAM 120 D version and APG 83 AESA radars they currently have an advantage over Rafales.... Yes Rafales F 5 versions will be ahead of them though.
India didn't reject American jets because they are any less than Rafale or Typhoon, it's just because we don't want any strings attached jets in IAF

I stopped reading after this..................

 

[vishwaprasad]

It has nothing to do with the platform. MKIs were restricted by ROEs, they had plenty of opportunities to take out PAF assets, the fact is PAF made it their mission to down an MKI and failed on everyone occasion and fired multiple AMRAAMs into India but couldn’t make contact on any occasions.

The Bison WC was acting very much beyond the scope of what IAF leadership had declared acceptable but that is what it is and very much covered by fog of war.

Your assertion that the MKIs failing to down F16s in POK/Paki territory is a failure of the MKI is utterly absurd. That would’ve been the start of a war.

ROE.... Imagine if there was US or Israel AF guarding the area and paf had done the misadventure like 27th Feb would have these Air Forces cared about ROE??? They would have shot it down.... It's only India which always comes up with the excuses.... Not there fault.... Actually F 16 prevailed over flankers and now whatever hopes we had to again have an upper hand with the help of Rafales are all washed out with this new possible induction of Viper block 70/72

 

[vishwaprasad]

I stopped reading after this..................

Because you want to leave in denial mode

 

[mayfair]

Actually F 16 prevailed over flankers and now whatever hopes we had to again have an upper hand with the help of Rafales are all washed out with this new possible induction of Viper block 70/72

Ha ha ha..have read some rubbish but this one takes the cake.

So the much vaunted PAF Vipers fired FIVE, yes FIVE AMRAAMS at a single Su-30 MKI and missed them ALL, yes ALL!

And you call that prevailing? Must be some strong stuff that they feed you in the asylum.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

No Pakistan is not getting block 70s. They can't even get the spare parts required for their current fleet.

 

[Anathema]

It has nothing to do with the platform. MKIs were restricted by ROEs, they had plenty of opportunities to take out PAF assets, the fact is PAF made it their mission to down an MKI and failed on everyone occasion and fired multiple AMRAAMs into India but couldn’t make contact on any occasions.

The Bison WC was acting very much beyond the scope of what IAF leadership had declared acceptable but that is what it is and very much covered by fog of war.

Your assertion that the MKIs failing to down F16s in POK/Paki territory is a failure of the MKI is utterly absurd. That would’ve been the start of a war.

Dude is a paki. Dont entertain im. Vishwaprasad ..my @$$