Pakistan: China wont let India gain entry inton NSG

[Kshatriya87]

Actually the world gives a shyt about NPT aslong as their interests are served. All the nuclear states have proliferated. US is the only one to have actually used them.

Right but that's what is different with India. India keeps china in mind when it comes to not signing NPT. China already has over 300 nukes. Besides, India has a no first use nuclear policy. India does not give nuclear weapons away or sell them to other countries like China and Pakistan does. These are all the positive points and keeping them in mind, India does not need to sign NPT as the world knows that India is a responsible nuclear power.

SCS is a regional conflict, it only affects a fee countries. ..mainly China's neighbors.
But the US' CIA/Pentagon make or break a country, create war zones to serve her own defence industry and secure/create jobs. She supports military dictators and rogue insurgents and foget all about democracy and human rights whenever it suits her.
She has no moral right to criticise China in het own backyard.

So? A few countries don't matter? China's neighbours don't matter?

US is not creating a war zone here, China already did. Other characteristics of US are not relevant here. US is concerned about the trade routes in the region and hence the intervention against China. Not to mention the chinese expansionist mentality.

Abhi to shuruaat hain, agaya agaya dekhiye hota hai kya. Cheers!

I know, I just hope that GOI keeps a safe distance from them and think 2 steps ahead of what US are planing.

 

[Yumdoot]

Let's also not forget why the US is hell-bent over making all the exceptions for India without merit. On paper 'good behavior' is not merit but NPT is a pre condition for joining.
US bullied the whole world including minors like New Zealand to bend in 2008 weakening the NPT. It won't happen twice.

Actually on paper good behaviour is very much counted as merit, just as an on paper country is counted as a country and not a failed excuse.

Anyhow just to remind you. The NPT is not a pre-condition to NSG, it is only a guiding principle. Had NPT been a pre-condition then even US could not have helped secure the NSG Waiver of 2008.

Look there are many ways to play this game. People who have allowed themselves to get bullied once will love to do that again and again. They just have to be given a suitable excuse. At the most a few contracts to appropriate people and its done. Reality is with the waiver already given there really is no appetite for chasing an NSG seat.

When the Shakti tests happened, there were celebrations all round and ABV won the next elections. Do you see any of the sort for NSG membership.

Actually people like me wish for us to remain outside NSG and for Pakistan to be allowed in. We don't need it and you cannot do much even from within.

 

[tsunami]

Let's also not forget why the US is hell-bent over making all the exceptions for India without merit. On paper 'good behavior' is not merit but NPT is a pre condition for joining.
US bullied the whole world including minors like New Zealand to bend in 2008 weakening the NPT. It won't happen twice.

Then why Pakistan even applying for the membership before signing NTP.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Then why Pakistan even applying for the membership before signing NTP.

because they are clowns. They do and want what India does and wants.

 

[amoy]

Joining NPT a must for India’s entry to NSG

The NSG has hitherto not agreed any agenda on the participation of states which have not signed the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). And this plenary has no such item on its agenda either. So, there is no opposing or supporting India's membership. China, for its part, attaches great importance to the issue of how to handle the issue of non-NPT states' participation. Under the Argentina chairmanship, China has worked hard to push comprehensive discussions on the above issue. And so far, three rounds of discussions had been conducted in the format of the Friends of Chair meetings. Despite many differences in the course of discussion, the Chinese side nevertheless believes such discussions are useful and enhance mutual understanding of relevant parties. We, for our part, wish to continue this discussion. And in the meantime, we will also participate in the discussion in a constructive manner.

 

[bose]

This is hilarious; on what moral accounts could China be held accountable when it is the USA itself who set up the basic rule not to include an non-npt signatory into the club?

Americans are laughing at the Chinese !!

China fell into their trap... Now Americans are going all around about telling all that it is China the main blocker for India's interest...

Good show China !! You will not be able to block India for long once the NTP clause goes there will be no place to hide...

 

[ersakthivel]

Modi achieved what he wanted.
True, in a way he has not failed.

But, how much India paid for it....!
Modi dragged India at SCO in the name of NSG.
If it is not true, then why he didn't arrange SCO joining time few months early.
Just before NSG drama, India joined SCO.

I am saying this bcz last year, zombie Modi tried it also.
Just before NSG meet, he announced to join Russian side.

So the point is for some reason zombie Modi is trying to connect NSG and SCO .
And million dollar question is ....... why....!....?

On top of it, it is clear that we are not getting NSG.

OK, now we can say bye-bye to SCO also.

Chinese are in fact making the most of their short lived success, with sermons to india. By year end india will get into NSG, NCOs a separate committe is being formed under experts , which will hold " implementation of NSG, " not adherence to NPT as chief criterion.

You should note that india got NSG waiver with a pledge to "implement" NPT already, So Chinese have lost all the cards, &go back to raping Pak & srilankan economy with CPEC & port city scheme as usual.

Chinese have tons of eggs on their face now with india inside MTCR, with just 2 years of smart diplomacy by modi govt, while they couldn't get through with 10 year haggling,so much for "big player"
By the year end india will be in NSG & china will shut up.bcos the deal makes Modi has already linked india' S ratification of Paris climate change accord with Indian NSG entry, So US will kick Chinese butt by the end of this year & india will be in NSG.
China played the same losing game during NSG waiver & relented after US did some plain speak in 2008 also

 

[sayareakd]

India already had waiver for the NSG, even if we didnt get the membership, that does not mean that nuclear commerce with member states will be stop, we already had all the pleasures of membership without getting the membership, it is loss to China, as India will be more closer to uncle now, than before.

China is well aware about waivers and that we are not much to gain with membership of NSG, on its part a part from appeasing the Pakistanis, China too didnt gain much from it, on the contrary it has others members seeing the rigid attitude of China and its satellite state Pakistan making negative publicity about India, so that it will not get NSG membership.

Now India will not only be close to Uncle, but it too will be quite vocal against the China and it have some sort of presence in south China sea and arming Vietnam against China.

In the end it is China which has lost most.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Chinese Ambassador signals room for talks on India in NSG

Refusing to “heat up” the issue again, Liu Jinsong, Beijing’s envoy to New Delhi, said since India has not named China, why should it “rush to pick up the hat”.
WRITTEN BY SHUBHAJIT ROY | NEW DELHI |

For the first time after India pointed at China — without naming it — for blocking its entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), China indicated that there is room for negotiations and a solution can be found.

Refusing to “heat up” the issue again, Liu Jinsong, Beijing’s envoy to New Delhi, said since India has not named China, why should it “rush to pick up the hat”.

In an interview to The Indian Express at his residence on Thursday, Liu, who is the Acting Ambassador, also allayed concerns of impeding trade routes in the South China Sea and said China, like India, is a “peace-loving country” and Delhi has no reason to worry about its capacity-building in national defence.

Defending China’s infrastructure-building in islands of the South China Sea, he claimed they were for providing public services, like weather forecasting, rescue and medical assistance services, to the international community.

On the Chinese putting on technical hold the UN designation of Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar as a terrorist, Liu said it is “not a political hold” and is not being blocked. He also counselled India to indulge in “friendly consultations” with Pakistan – without naming it – and come to a mutually acceptable outcome.

Responding to a question on China blocking India’s membership in NSG at Seoul last month, Liu said, “This topic has been very hot last month, now it has cooled down a little bit. I don’t want to talk too much about it and heat it up again. I want to leave time and room for the diplomats to work out a solution.”

“The Indian statement”, he said, does not name China. “How do you decide that this country is China?”

Told that it had been widely reported, he said, “When India has not specifically mentioned China, why should China rush to pick up the hat?”

He said the Chinese approach on the NSG question is three-fold: “Abiding by the rules, leaving the room and space (for negotiations) and finding the route (solution).”

Asked if that can happen later this year, he said that he would not spell out a timetable. On the question of a possible quid pro quo between Chinese membership of the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime) and India’s entry into NSG, he said that there is “no linkage” between the two. On India’s entry into MTCR, he said, “It is good that India is now a member of MTCR.”

On the question of Chinese assertiveness in the South China Sea leading to a possible blockade of trade routes, he said, “India has expressed this concern (on Tuesday). China shares the concern. China is committed to safeguarding freedom of navigation in South China Sea… and actually, the purpose of building some facilities in some islands in SCS is to provide public good for the international community, like lighthouses, weather stations and other kinds of civilian facilities.”

“China, like India is also a peace-loving country which sticks to international law and order and good neighbourliness,” he said, and “India has no reason to worry about its capacity-building in its national defence.”

On the holding of Malabar exercises, he said it is part of India’s military cooperation with others. “If it is not targeted at China, we won’t have any problems with that. However, if any party or parties participating in the exercise want to deliberately bring the exercise to the disputed waters of South China Sea, then we will be concerned. (But) Indian side has been very cautious and has been sticking to principles, and has decided to not participate in joint patrols in the South China Sea.”

On Masood Azhar’s designation as a terrorist being blocked at the UN, the Chinese envoy said, “China, India, Pakistan are all victims of terrorist activities… there is no such thing as China blocking. (In this case) third party needs to be consulted. It is not a political hold, but a technical hold. Only a hold, not blocking.”

“I don’t know much about this person Masood… but as per rules of 1267 committee, another country, the country of origin of Masood, needs to be consulted. If you and that country can have friendly consultations and reach a mutually acceptable result, then China will be glad to go along with results.”

Diplomacy, he said, is all about “negotiating and making compromises”. “No country can have it all. You have to compromise somewhere… you need patience and need to abide by the rules,” he said.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

NSG door not shut on India: Chinese media

 

[sorcerer]

“The Indian statement”, he said, does not name China. “How do you decide that this country is China?”
Told that it had been widely reported, he said, “When India has not specifically mentioned China, why should China rush to pick up the hat?”

This guy rates so high on STUPID QUOTIENT!!
If this is the way china "fakes" about the Indian posturing whatever is coming out of , Liu Jinsong's mouth and whatever offers he has kept in for a solution cannot be trusted at all.

NSG door not shut on India: Chinese media

Its china...cant TRUST them.
Once they achieve a correct momentum in the sea conflict diplomatically they will turn around against India and maintain their "STATUS QUO" on various issues including much concerning terror issue against India.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

For India in NSG, China to send its main negotiator

 

[sorcerer]

For India in NSG, China to send its main negotiator

Make every step china takes against India very costly for china diplomatically at the international level. THis is one language they understand

 

[bose]

Never ever trust China !! they are the slimiest people on the world...

There can not be a ONE CHINE unless there an agreement on ONE INDIA...

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India makes fresh attempt to gain entry into NSG

HIGHLIGHTS

• After India failed to enter the NSG, the global nuclear body appointed a special envoy to consult members on India's bid.
• Last week, India presented suggestions on participation by non-NPT countries in the NSG to special envoy Rafael Mariano Grossi.

New Delhi: India has restarted its diplomatic initiative to gain membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG). On Saturday, the Chinese foreign minister was given a detailed explanation.

Last week, India presented suggestions on participation by non-NPT countries in the NSG to special envoy Rafael Mariano Grossi.

After India failed to enter the NSG, the global nuclear body appointed a special envoy to consult members on India's bid. Grossi, a former NSG chairman, will have to consider the question China left hanging at the Seoul plenary meet: should an applicant be a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)?

While India is not in the room for the discussions because it is not a member of NSG, it has put forward certain inputs for members (called participating governments) and the discussions to be piloted by Grossi.

India's case is not unique in the manner that China made it appear during the Seoul plenary. After all, in 2008, it was the same China and 47 other countries that granted India a waiver for nuclear commerce. In addition, France, Argentina and Brazil had all joined NSG before they became NPT members.

Most importantly, India and others have made the point that NSG is not a treaty implementation body, but a group of nuclear suppliers keen on ensuring that their stuff does not fall into the wrong hands.

India says the focus within NSG has been on the "implementation" of NPT. So, for a non-NPT country, that would mean checking off some markers or criteria - whether it complies with the provisions of NPT, particularly Articles I, III(2), IV and VI, and if it is reflected in policy commitments and domestic legislation; whether it abides by NPT rules in a safeguards agreement with the IAEA. The state in question, India says, should have a record of non-proliferation and disarmament that is in adherence to the NPT.

China's insistence on NPT compliance misses the fact that NSG guidelines themselves have set out five factors (distinct from criteria, though frankly that is just splitting hairs) for participation laid out in INFCIRC/539/rev6 (rules that govern NSG behaviour). These include ability to supply items covered by annexes to parts 1 and 2 of NSG guidelines; adherence to guidelines, presence of a legally based domestic export control system and supporting international non-proliferation efforts. One of the factors is about "adherence" to NPT or an "equivalent" non-proliferation agreement.

This has been cited by China as demanding NPT signature. India argues adherence is not the same as a signature. India has been an implementer of the NPT without being a signatory, and has never been a proliferater. Unlike China, which has long been a proliferater - to Pakistan and North Korea - before it entered NSG.

The Indian stand was recently helped by Mexico, an ardent NPT member. In an interview, top disarmament diplomat Joel Hernandez Garcia said getting everybody to sign the NPT was not the aim of the NSG, which is a "non-proliferation regime", but "not a disarmament forum". "The NSG should rather look into the adherence of applicants to its guidelines, which establish a member's obligations on exports controls. We must bear in mind that NSG is a group of suppliers-exporters," he said.

In a nutshell, that's pretty much what India is saying in its lobbying efforts with other countries. The NSG could consider a raft of additional "criteria" for aspiring members - separation of civil and military nuclear facilities,stopping nuclear testing and negotiating an FMCT, etc.

In the coming weeks, India will hold talks with China at a technical level on these issues. Separately, NSG members who had procedural issues with India's membership will discuss these issues with the NSG envoy, who is expected to build a consensus, if another plenary is called before the end of the year.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

NSG top of mind as India may host New Zealand Prime Minister John Key in October

The primary objective of hosting Key is to elicit his country’s support for NSG membership, people familiar with the development told ET.

NEW DELHI: India is in talks for a visit by New Zealand Prime Minister John Key, possibly in early October, with an eye on securing support for membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group ahead of its Vienna meeting in November.

New Zealand, an NSG member, had raised questions about India's entry into the exclusive club, based on its stand that only signatories of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty are eligible to join the group. India hasn't signed the NPT treaty. The primary objective of hosting Key is to elicit his country's support for NSG membership, people familiar with the development told ET.

While China blocked India's entry into the NSG at the Seoul plenary meeting in June, New Zealand raised questions about India's bid, citing non-proliferation concerns. Although it did not take sides with China, Wellington expressed concern over admitting India would adversely affect the non-proliferation regime.

While New Zealand is a close US ally, the Obama administration, which lobbied for India's case among NSG members, could not fully influence Wellington. Australia, another strong proponent of India's entry into NSG, had also moved its neighbour on the issue.

India wants membership of the NSG to get enhanced and uninterrupted access to nuclear technology, fuel and materials needed to expand its expanding civil nuclear programme. Decisions by the group are taken by consensus.

After the Seoul plenary, New Zealand High Commissioner to India Grahame Morton said his country only wanted norms to be fixed to admit non-NPT states into the 48-nation NSG, which controls global trade in nuclear technology. Morton said the NSG's doors for India were not closed and constructive discussion would lead to a solution. "It is a process and talks will continue," he said.

It is understood that while the top Kiwi political leadership is favourably disposed to India's entry, the New Zealand foreign ministry has been dragging its feet on the matter because of India's non-NPT status. India is hoping Key's visit would help bridge that gap, people familiar with the issue said.

China's chief negotiator at the Seoul NSG plenary is expected to visit India in the near future to discuss technical matters pertaining to India's entry into the NSG.

President Pranab Mukherjee's trip to New Zealand in May did not affect its stand on NSG membership for India. The visit, the first by an Indian president, was otherwise successful, with New Zealand pushing for a free trade agreement with India and lobbying for former PM Helen Clark's candidature as the next UN Secretary General.

In 2008, New Zealand was among the last few NSG members to agree to a clean waiver for India to carry out nuclear commerce without becoming a member of the group.

Referring to non-NPT signatory nations, New Zealand's foreign ministry states on its website: "...We continue to encourage these states to join the treaty as non-nuclear weapon states and to place all of their nuclear facilities under comprehensive International Atomic Energy Agency safeguards."

New Zealand is a member of a group of NPT parties called the New Agenda Coalition, which focuses on identifying and advocating practical steps on nuclear disarmament. The other members are Brazil, Egypt, Ireland, Mexico and South Africa.

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Turkey confirms support for India's membership in NSG

From being an initial naysayer Turkey at Seoul plenary of NSG at Vienna in June had said while it will support Pakistan's entry into the group it will not block India's case.

NEW DELHI: Turkey on Friday confirmed its support for India's membership in NSG in what is a shot in the arm for the Modi government ahead of key meeting of the group in Vienna in November that would discuss Delhi's case.

"India's application for the membership of NSG also featured in the discussions between Indian and Turkish Foreign Ministers. Turkey confirmed support for this as it had earlier for India's membership of MTCR," official sources said.

From being an initial naysayer Turkey at Seoul plenary of NSG at Vienna in June had said while it will support Pakistan's entry into the group it will not block India's case.

Among other issues Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs Mevlut Cavusoglu and his Indian counterpart Sushma Swaraj alsi discussed internal developments in Turkey after the coup, activities of the Gulen group and security situation in West Asia besides growing economic partnership.

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[Indx TechStyle]

Canada Reaffirms Support For India's NSG Membership Bid

New Delhi: Reaffirming its support for India's NSG membership bid, Canada on Thursday said the scope of the deal between the two countries for supply of uranium can be further "expanded".

Speaking on a range of issues, Canadian High Commissioner to India Nadir Patel said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is likely to visit the country in the "not so distant future" and that dates are being worked out.

"The date has not yet been set. The challenge is simply scheduling and nothing else. I am working with both the Prime Ministers' offices to try to secure a window. But we are certainly highly anticipating that visit happens in the not so distant future," he said.

Mr Patel said the movement of uranium consignments from Canada to India which began last year is progressing "extremely well".

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Asked about its possible expansion, he said, "There are provisions for that to happen." Mr Patel was interacting with a select gathering at the Foreign Correspondents Club in New Delhi.

Mr Patel emphasized that Canada's "strong support" on India's bid to enter the 48-member Nuclear suppliers Group, resisted by China, was "clear and vocal".

"We have come out vocally. We have made that very clear. We have advocated for India to join as we feel there's a lot to gain from India joining in terms of global collaboration as well," he said.

Gujarat born Mr Patel said, "There is something different right now" in Indo-Canada ties that had not been experienced in the past.

"There's a transformation happening both in India and Canada. We can coexist with common and shared values and have very significant differences of opinion," he said.

Replying to a query on free trade agreement and Intellectual Property Rights, he said problems on the front of IPR are "workable" and not a stumbling block.

He stressed on the need for speeding up economic reforms by opening up more sectors of Indian economy.

"There are other areas that are creating quite a challenge for us to navigate. We subscribe to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's vision of economic reforms but frankly I don't think there has been much progress in a real policy matter. Although some sectors have opened up. Much more needs to be done," he said.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Chinese Ambassador signals room for talks on India in NSG

Refusing to “heat up” the issue again, Liu Jinsong, Beijing’s envoy to New Delhi, said since India has not named China, why should it “rush to pick up the hat”.
WRITTEN BY SHUBHAJIT ROY | NEW DELHI |

We should Kick their Dirty Pale @$$ so that when we get entry in NSG, they may get humiliated automatically. That shall be a smart way to humiliate Chinkies and show their true place in international recolonization.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Inside the comment section of some newspapers from our beloved (not honestly) and (not respected at all) terrorist neighbors.

National Power is determined at Olympics!

Now, a days more loyal to their masters.

Bunked from his history classes for sure.

Never knew that China is a Democracy.
@J20!

For per capita GDP we know, and let telecommunication, internet, innovation, education index etc. go apart otherwise terrorists will suicide (suicide bombing).
Though, they undoubtedly have more homicide, rapes, crimes, black money and terrorists per capita than us.