New Assault Rifles for Indian Army

[rishivashista13]

But a carbine is not only about short length, its also about easy controllability in full auto, for CQB. So a 7.62x51 rifle cant be considered a carbine even if its small. They would probably go for a 5.56 rifle.

In 5.56 category x95 will fullfill the requirements. It is also possible that instead of 5.56 nato we can go for MINSAS rounds.

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[nongaddarliberal]

In 5.56 category x95 will fullfill the requirements. It is also possible that instead of 5.56 nato we can go for MINSAS rounds.

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How much parts commonality is there between x 95 and tavor 7? Any info?

 

[Vinod DX9]

Israel vs Israel.....ACE and TAVOR are finalist almost confirmed

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Israel vs Israel.....ACE and TAVOR are finalist almost confirmed

Please not galil, please not galil, please not galil. For fucks sake not galil.

 

[Johny_Baba]

How much parts commonality is there between x 95 and tavor 7? Any info?

From first impression,i think very few,mainly due to difference in caliber between the Tavor7 and X95

Some parts that could be common among the two
- Trigger Components (i.e. trigger bar,fire selector and so)
- Magazine Well Components (i.e. Magazine Catch,Magazine Release Button(s) and so)
- Pistol Grip etc.

 

[binayak95]

From first impression,i think very few,mainly due to difference in caliber between the Tavor7 and X95

Some parts that could be common among the two
- Trigger Components (i.e. trigger bar,fire selector and so)
- Magazine Well Components (i.e. Magazine Catch,Magazine Release Button(s) and so)
- Pistol Grip etc.

Not to add the change from AK style long stroke gas piston to G-36/HK416 style short stroke piston system. I don't think that the X-95 and Tavor 7 will have anything in common in the firing mechanisms. Superficially, maybe.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Since we are discussing about induction of assault rifles, a small read on one of the most popular assault rifle ever - AKM

https://shatrujeet009.wordpress.com/2018/02/07/know-your-weapon-i/

 

[devhensh]

Hhmm...

I would like to know how such platforms like MDR and Tavor 7 would facilitate magazine change,i mean both these guns use SR-25 pattern magazine in 7.62 x 51mm and like most other 5.56 x 45mm guns would take STANAG mags for that round.
Overall i think it's a great idea.They should gradually phase out all other platforms like Tavor TAR-21,X-95 and so and bring out Tavor-7 as 'Universal platform' for all different calibers.

You already answered most of your questions correctly, but the vedio below shows that this is a reality, and is already happening.....(Tavor 7 is competing with this gun in US closely)

A big army, like ours will need both 7.62x51 and 5.56x45 platforms... If Tavor 7 can offer that..it's a big plus....I am sure IWI will do the same....But again, this is nothing to do with what Indian Army will finally choose...just a technical input !!!

 

[shankyz]

Galil ACE combines the best of AK & M16 platforms. IMO, it's the rifle that should be inducted. It is reliable, cheaper and easier to transition to, compared to an expensive bullpup like Tavor-7.
This is what Vietnam has done and started production of the ACE locally.

SF should upgrade from TAR-21 to the TAVOR-7/X95.

 

[Hari Sud]

Galil ACE combines the best of AK & M16 platforms. IMO, it's the rifle that should be inducted. It is reliable, cheaper and easier to transition to, compared to an expensive bullpup like Tavor-7.
This is what Vietnam has done and started production of the ACE locally.

SF should upgrade from TAR-21 to the TAVOR-7/X95.

How much a Galil cost. Add to it telescopic sight and if possible under barrel grade launcher, how much is the price?

 

[Vinod DX9]

Details of procurement

 

[Wisemarko]

Remington filed for bankruptcy yesterday. Colt did the same recently. Most gun makers in the US are struggling to keep afloat. I am sure some European gun makers are not doing great either. I wonder if their tooling, expertise and product designs are available for sale. Instead of giving such huge contracts to revive the fortunes of a foreign nation, attempt must be made to collaborate or acquire such sick units and learn how to manufacture. Gun making is definitely not rocket science. Shameful that country of a billion people imports small arms. If Kalyani can make artillery from scratch, why not rifles and special ammunition?

 

[ezsasa]

Remington filed for bankruptcy yesterday. Colt did the same recently. Most gun makers in the US are struggling to keep afloat. I am sure some European gun makers are not doing great either. I wonder if their tooling, expertise and product designs are available for sale. Instead of giving such huge contracts to revive the fortunes of a foreign nation, attempt must be made to collaborate or acquire such sick units and learn how to manufacture. Gun making is definitely not rocket science. Shameful that country of a billion people imports small arms. If Kalyani can make artillery from scratch, why not rifles and special ammunition?

Colt designs were bought out by pentagon some years ago.

If Remington is a US company and supplies to US forces, they might do the same.

 

[Wisemarko]

Colt designs were bought out by pentagon some years ago.

If Remington is a US company and supplies to US forces, they might do the same.

Colt design for M-16/M-4 are sold, Browning fave away all his patents to US army that doesn’t mean Colt or Browning cannot deal with others or can’t make it/ be sold to. Also, there is an entire range available from Colt including short piston AR etc. (Design for M4 is pistonless gas operated)
Pentagon doesn’t buy out sick units, it just buys licenses to manufacture specific weapon system.

 

[devhensh]

Remington filed for bankruptcy yesterday. Colt did the same recently. Most gun makers in the US are struggling to keep afloat. I am sure some European gun makers are not doing great either. I wonder if their tooling, expertise and product designs are available for sale. Instead of giving such huge contracts to revive the fortunes of a foreign nation, attempt must be made to collaborate or acquire such sick units and learn how to manufacture. Gun making is definitely not rocket science. Shameful that country of a billion people imports small arms. If Kalyani can make artillery from scratch, why not rifles and special ammunition?

There is no benefit/ advantage to be had, by buying out the Tooling / Designs of these sick companies like Remington or Colt (believe me, i know both the US and Indian small arms capabilities very well)....

Two reason for the above statement...Firstly, the OFB/DRDO combine doesn't lack any expertise or infrastructure(tooling etc) to create a world class weapon...For example the MCIWS rifle platform they created is world class and anyday better than anything these two companies have created.....Even the INSAS 1C is a very reliable/competent design......

What is really missing is a Partnership between Army and OFB/DRDO combine..Any small arms platform needs a long time to customize / Adopt to local need as well as iron out all bugs........For example Korean Army worked very closely for a long time with S&T group and they have a very-very good service rifle now (K2 series)....Similarly, Turkish forces and Industry worked together for a long time and the result is a very good rifle called MPT-76.....

The Indian Army urgently needs a complete Small Arms Upgrade, and it's long overdue...To fullfill this(my first choice would be) adoption of an EXISTING design by DRDO/OFB, which can clear Army trails .....or Second option would be a adoption of a PROVEN foreign design with full TOT and make in India....No more time should be lost in anything else !

 

[shankyz]

How much a Galil cost. Add to it telescopic sight and if possible under barrel grade launcher, how much is the price?

From IWI US Website,
Galil ACE (Gun only)
7.62*39 = USD 1899
7.62*51(NATO) = USD 2099

 

[devhensh]

From IWI US Website,
Galil ACE (Gun only)
7.62*39 = USD 1899
7.62*51(NATO) = USD 2099

These Figures are correct, but these are the cost of civilian version of this gun in US Market....Military sales have a totally diffrent pricing all over the world ...

If and when, IA decides to buy this gun, it should cost much less...because firstly, it would be a discounted rate for the huge numbers being bought under FMS(Foreign Military Sale) route..... Secondly, the costs will come down further, when, Punj Lloyd starts making these rifles in India under make India (They already have a operational plant in MP,India)

 

[Adioz]

when, Punj Lloyd starts making these rifles in India

Waiting for that. Already bought shares of Punj Lloyd :biggrin2:

 

[Wisemarko]

Honestly, after seeing pictures of perimeter security and infrastructure of Indian Army and CRPF bases in Kashmir, I think no rifle in the world can save Indian soldiers from Islamic fanatics.
The immediate need is to upgrade the bases to at least Third World standard from medieval standards. :-/

 

[rishivashista13]

Honestly, after seeing pictures of perimeter security and infrastructure of Indian Army and CRPF bases in Kashmir, I think no rifle in the world can save Indian soldiers from Islamic fanatics.
The immediate need is to upgrade the bases to at least Third World standard from medieval standards. :-/

Infact, only upgrading the bases will also not help much. We have to work more on offensive defence strategy. In defensive mode you can't win, and more or less you have to suffer casualties. Our NSA has very clear view on this.

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