New Assault Rifles for Indian Army

[Kunal Biswas]

DRDO lab has delivered it, now it is waiting for rest of FINSAS to be completed then trials will start.

I hope if that is true Sir..

 

[sayareakd]

I hope if that is true Sir..

Sir this question was specifically asked at Defexpo, they said that they might show FINSAS rifle in Defexpo 14, Rifle was delivered by the lab to DRDO. Rifle was show earlier


Kunal sir your pic

 

[commando elite]

My wishlist for the Indian Army

HMG- Kord Heavy Machinegun don't know about the licensed NSV, perhaps kunal can shed light on its presence in IA

LMG- Pecheneg (we can make it use Nato rounds if we have licensed production)

Rifle- Czech`s 805 BREN

A bit sad that we are not looking for Russian assault rifle AK-12 for the Indian environment desert,jungle and snow its perfect

My wishlist for IA arx 160,negev 5.56 (lmg), negev ng7(gpmg) , m110 sniper rifle, gepard gm6 anti material rifle

 

[Kunal Biswas]

If they can make Sniper as well as LMG based on ARX 160 would be good..

My wishlist for IA arx 160,negev 5.56 (lmg), negev ng7(gpmg) , m110 sniper rifle, gepard gm6 anti material rifle

 

[Kunal Biswas]

For Members Who asked about AK-12, Some info just came through..

New Kalashnikov Has 'Range of Defects' - Test Agency

The latest version of Russia's world-famous Kalashnikov assault rifle, the AK-12, has shown up a range of problems during initial testing, the head of the weapons-making agency responsible for trials of the new gun said on Friday."The trials are ending, they are around 80 percent complete right now, but there are a series of flaws in it," said Dmitry Semizirov, General Director of the Tochmash state arms firm based near Moscow.

Semizirov declined to elaborate on what the defects were, saying this was "the developer's confidential information."The weapon was developed by Izhmash, the Izhevsk-based gun maker which has built Kalashnikov rifles since the 1950s.Another source, however, told RIA Novosti the faults were fixable. "The weapon tests will be completed at the end of November this year as planned," he said.Izhmash's General Designer Dmitry Zlobin has defended the new weapon, saying the AK-12 was sent for preliminary trials precisely to "highlight all snags and weaknesses in the new development." Having received Tochmash's expert observations, Izhmash's designers will incorporate any necessary changes to the weapon ready for state trials in the second half of 2013, he added.Series production is due to begin at the end of 2013.

Development of the AK-12 began in mid-2011. The new weapon retains the overall layout and features of the 5.45-mm caliber AK-74, in service with the Russian Army since the 1970s, but has minor modifications and ergonomic changes.Zlobin has claimed law enforcement agencies have shown strong interest in the new weapon, on which a range of firearms are to be produced including pistols, submachine guns and assault rifles for general military and special duties tasks.
Izhmash, and Izhmekh, another gun-maker, are to be amalgamated in a new state-controlled small-arms holding under the Kalashnikov brand, under a government plan to consolidate the industry, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said earlier this month.

New Kalashnikov Has 'Range of Defects' - Test Agency | Defense | RIA Novosti

 

[EzioAltaïr]

For Members Who asked about AK-12, Some info just came through..

New Kalashnikov Has 'Range of Defects' - Test Agency


New Kalashnikov Has 'Range of Defects' - Test Agency | Defense | RIA Novosti

Original > remake.

 

[Mangal]

The US army is going through a similar program of updating their assault rifle. They had developed several prototypes which included xm 8, fn scar and few other assault rifles jointly with other NATO countries. But they seem to be undecided on whether or not to go for a new rifle or to stay with trusted M4 carbine. I remember reading few years back about US army's decison not to go for new rifles as assault rifle technology has reached its maximum limit of advancement and instead wait for a new breakthrough in either assault rifle technology or a new kind of individual weapon system.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Army Sets Sights on New Rifle - WSJ.com

For the first time in almost 50 years, the U.S. Army wants to replace the standard rifle shouldered by hundreds of thousands of frontline troops around the world.

The service this week advertised its interest in a new weapon that would incorporate futuristic sights and other advances in rifle design and be able to handle improved ammunition.

The gun would potentially supplant the M4 carbine, a shorter-barrel version of the M16, the Army's main infantry weapon for decades.

Can be moved if OT in this thread.

 

[Mangal]

Army Sets Sights on New Rifle - WSJ.com

Can be moved if OT in this thread.

The program to find a new rifle to replace M4 is called "Individual Carbine" and ithe rifles competing in this are FN SCAR, Magpul Massada, CM901, HK416, M6A4, XCR, ACR and SR 16. Its final phase is stated to be completed by 2018. Surprisingly it does not include any star wars kind of futuristic looking assault rifle.

 

[cloud_9]

According to this NDTV report new AR will be inducted into army from mid 2014.

 

[The Fox]

What do u guys think of the new 6.5 mm Grendel rounds and after checking the ballistic table it surely did impressed me
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-army/7031-new-caliber-assault-rifles.html

 

[Kunal Biswas]

IA is getting 5.56mm 7.62M43 only..

 

[Snuggy321]

Rifle-cramped army sets sights on five


The army is now evaluating five rifles, any which will become the standard issue firearm for the Indian soldier.

The Indian soldier will have to junk the Insas, the rifle made by the ordnance factory in Ichhapur near Calcutta that is "failing to meet the demands of modern warfare", an officer engaged in drawing up the army's infantry-modernisation plan said.

Soldiers have complained that the Insas overheats and its fibre-glass magazine is fragile.

The five competitors are well-known names, each inspiring movies and stories and each used in small and big wars around the globe. But none is as widely used as the original Avtomat Kalashnikov, designed by the eponymous Soviet General in 1949. The Insas itself is a derivative of the Kalash.

Beretta, Colt, Sig Sauer are among the American and/or US-Swiss weapons makers. Israel Weapons Industries' two rifles — the Galil ACE and the Tavor TAR 21 — are in the fray. The TAR 21 is in limited use in the Indian Army's special forces and some units in Jammu and Kashmir. The Ceska Brena, from the Czech Republic firm, has a new version of its Bren.

The army's first order is likely to be for 66,000 rifles. The order is part of a programme called F-Insas — Future Infantry Soldier as a System. It has stipulated that the rifles must have inter-changeable barrels for both 5.56mm and 7.62mm rounds.

The measurements refer to the size of bullets, each of which has its advantages and disadvantages. The 5.56mm is smaller and lighter and has a longer range but has less "stopping power", meaning that even if it penetrates the human body it may not be fatal. The 7.62mm is heavier and bigger with greater penetration but a shorter range.

Having debated which calibre suits its purpose best, the army has resolved that it will use both: the 7.62mm for conventional armed conflict and the 5.56mm for close quarters combat in counter-insurgency. But of course, this is not a rule.

The selected rifle(s) will also have provisions for under-barrel grenade launchers (UBGL), reflex sights for sniper role and fixed-plus-foldable *****.

The Insas became the standard-issue assault rifle about 15 years ago replacing the Belgian-origin Fabrique Nationale-FAL 7.62mm Self Loading Rifle (SLR).

The winning-bid for the Indian Army's order for a new standard-issue rifle will rake in huge bucks. One defence ministry estimate for an initial order of the rifles puts it in the region of $500 million for about 45,000 guns. The Indian Army is 1.1 million strong. The ministry requires the companies to transfer technology to the Ordnance Factory

Rifle-cramped army sets sights on five | idrw.org

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its my guess that IWI also included X-95 series, But there are no mention of 7.62x39mm of this Rifle..

But again we know, It have 9mm, 5.56x45 nato & 5.45X39mm version available and functional..

Its possible that there is version which can accept 7.62 soviet..

Beretta, Colt, Sig Sauer are among the American and/or US-Swiss weapons makers. Israel Weapons Industries' two rifles — the Galil ACE and the Tavor TAR 21 — are in the fray.

Rifle-cramped army sets sights on five | idrw.org

As i told..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

New option added in poll, TAR-21

 

[AshutoshNSingh]

Rifle-cramped army sets sights on five


The army is now evaluating five rifles, any which will become the standard issue firearm for the Indian soldier.

The Indian soldier will have to junk the Insas, the rifle made by the ordnance factory in Ichhapur near Calcutta that is "failing to meet the demands of modern warfare", an officer engaged in drawing up the army's infantry-modernisation plan said.

Soldiers have complained that the Insas overheats and its fibre-glass magazine is fragile.

The five competitors are well-known names, each inspiring movies and stories and each used in small and big wars around the globe. But none is as widely used as the original Avtomat Kalashnikov, designed by the eponymous Soviet General in 1949. The Insas itself is a derivative of the Kalash.

Beretta, Colt, Sig Sauer are among the American and/or US-Swiss weapons makers. Israel Weapons Industries' two rifles — the Galil ACE and the Tavor TAR 21 — are in the fray. The TAR 21 is in limited use in the Indian Army's special forces and some units in Jammu and Kashmir. The Ceska Brena, from the Czech Republic firm, has a new version of its Bren.

The army's first order is likely to be for 66,000 rifles. The order is part of a programme called F-Insas — Future Infantry Soldier as a System. It has stipulated that the rifles must have inter-changeable barrels for both 5.56mm and 7.62mm rounds.

The measurements refer to the size of bullets, each of which has its advantages and disadvantages. The 5.56mm is smaller and lighter and has a longer range but has less "stopping power", meaning that even if it penetrates the human body it may not be fatal. The 7.62mm is heavier and bigger with greater penetration but a shorter range.

Having debated which calibre suits its purpose best, the army has resolved that it will use both: the 7.62mm for conventional armed conflict and the 5.56mm for close quarters combat in counter-insurgency. But of course, this is not a rule.

The selected rifle(s) will also have provisions for under-barrel grenade launchers (UBGL), reflex sights for sniper role and fixed-plus-foldable *****.

The Insas became the standard-issue assault rifle about 15 years ago replacing the Belgian-origin Fabrique Nationale-FAL 7.62mm Self Loading Rifle (SLR).

The winning-bid for the Indian Army's order for a new standard-issue rifle will rake in huge bucks. One defence ministry estimate for an initial order of the rifles puts it in the region of $500 million for about 45,000 guns. The Indian Army is 1.1 million strong. The ministry requires the companies to transfer technology to the Ordnance Factory

Rifle-cramped army sets sights on five | idrw.org

7.62 for conventional conflict and 5.56 for CI? Which Vaishakh Nandan wrote this news report?

 

[AshutoshNSingh]

As i told..

Our Army wants 7.62M43 as an alternative calibre which X 95 doesn't have so no chance of bagging the AR deal.
Anyway it can be a strong contendor for IA's 44000 carbine deal as it be used both as a carbine and SMG. Also, its very compact.

 

[abingdonboy]

@Kunal Biswas

Sir this question was specifically asked at Defexpo, they said that they might show FINSAS rifle in Defexpo 14, Rifle was delivered by the lab to DRDO. Rifle was show earlier


Kunal sir your pic

So the IA is going to be inducting 2 different types of rifle for the F-INSAS project? I find this hard to belive. This news is that a foreign rifle (say ARX-160) will be ordered and inducted by early 2014 intially 60,000 units will be bought with full TOT coming that means the entire IA will eventually be equipped with this rifle. This I always assumed was because the DRDO rifle had failed to materialise (it has never even been shown except in some tiny picture at a defence exhibit and is scarcly mentioned) as such the IA was looking elsewhere. Also the IA wants to get the F-INSAS project moving along and not having a rifle will serverly hinder the project and the DRDO mulit-cal has got to be atleast 3-5 years away from being anywhere near ready to be inducted into the IA. But if the DRDO rifle is on track why is the IA going ahead with a foreign buy?? The two seem mutually exclusive- you buy one or the other, NOT both!


This news about a forign gun order seems more than concrete so I am going to hedge my bets and say the DRDO multi-cal rifle is never going to see active service in the IA.


It is sad but it is what it is

 

[Kunal Biswas]

If that was the logic then, TAR-21 / X95 would not be in the list..

We dont know that TAR-21 / X-95 also have a 7.62m43 version, But it does have other wise wont be in competition on first place..

Our Army wants 7.62M43 as an alternative calibre which X 95 doesn't have so no chance of bagging the AR deal.
Anyway it can be a strong contendor for IA's 44000 carbine deal as it be used both as a carbine and SMG. Also, its very compact.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Don't place the bets now, Its not the time..

DRDO multi-cal is very secretive, we hardly know about it, the project seems dead now, But who knows it will be used for FINSAS anyways..

So the IA is going to be inducting 2 different types of rifle for the F-INSAS project?