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Sabir we need good governance before and after the maoist operations
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The thing not understandable is when Punjab Police was able to stop Khalistan Movement, why cannot state police of all the Naxal affected states? There is more to the story than what meets the eye. Mr. Chidambaram should also look for corruption and Maoists links in state police forces.
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I think its wrong to equate the khalistani movement to Naxals. Two different set of problems.
Tackling them has to be two fold. One is send the army in to crush them and also make sure that the fruits of indian development reaches the tribals as well. but one thing is for sure, right now we have to come down hard on those scums. They cannot get away with what they are doing.
Tackling them has to be two fold. One is send the army in to crush them and also make sure that the fruits of indian development reaches the tribals as well. but one thing is for sure, right now we have to come down hard on those scums. They cannot get away with what they are doing.
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Yusuf a question right now how are you going to distinguish a maoist and tribal?Right now ther is no proper courier and intelligence network on the ground.My companions lost 73 men that shows our failure
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Gather intel. use the tribals for intel. Show them the money. Use drones to track movement and have the fighters ready to strike on short notice. Don't tell me we can't make out between the tribals and a 1000 heavily armed maoists. There will be collateral, but we hope it stays very very low. We need precise intel. One we have even a couple of air strikes on these people it will knock them back to their senses. Either give up your arms or your lives. This will also force the tribals to help the authorities in giving details of the maoists so that they save themselves from any collateral.
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The Tribals are not willin to give u intel Yusuf and the intel you get is false like tthe case above.the Maos draw cadre from the tribals yusuf a mao without his uniform is very tough to differentiate btw a tribal.They are all gonds and the chenchu tribe.The main heads are generally from Andhra and gettin near them is not a cops ability right now.The gonds are stubborn Yusuf (more stubborn than the Rajputs)they won't give info easily.Fisrthing Yusuf make the Maos villains in the gonds perspectives
Ihate to say it but I have to say it Yusuf the naxals are our self goal
Ihate to say it but I have to say it Yusuf the naxals are our self goal
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A tribal without a gun is the good guy. And the one with it is your bad guy. Once we do that and set some arses on fire things will start to move.
Also, move ahead to assassinate all the damn leaders. These Kishen and whoever, kill them. No mercy not trial. Only if we do this will the fear set in among the cadres.
Also, move ahead to assassinate all the damn leaders. These Kishen and whoever, kill them. No mercy not trial. Only if we do this will the fear set in among the cadres.
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The real question coming out is, do our politicians have the requisite political resolve or are we still listening to rhetoric? This as I have said is a watershed moment and also a point where if the actual resolve to finish off the menace is not taken now then it will be left a little too late and whenever that happens possibly a little too less in the day.
The three main political ideologies and political outfits, the congress, the bjp and the left have taken a stand which makes sense, but the dilly dally done to make political gains is of no use at least not at this point in time.
Left is being confronted in WB but today the real sympathizer of naxal, mamta benerjee, is moving scot-free. In jharkhand bjp supports the government but shibu soren has no problem with the naxals, he in fact declines the existence of naxals. The nda in bihar led by the jd-u and supported by bjp see no problem with the naxals at least till the time the elections do not happen, which is like another 8 odd months from today, which means no action till then and free movement for recruitment for the naxals. In chhattisgarh its more talk which has gone on for over 6 years now than the real will to take them on, again one finds a bjp angle. I am seriously forced to question the political will in all the big talk these political parties are doing.
They have a huge base, with the front which has taken to the arm struggle constituting some 15000-20000 people and followers that run into many-many thousands if not many-many lacks. They are increasing their base which can be gauged from the fact that in 2003 they were present in just 50 districts, but today the same number is between 220-230 districts which is huge since that constitutes one third of the country, and are trying to move to virgin territory up north and to urban centers. The modus operandi is to move in disguise as the labor force, and to influence and appeal to the labor force of India. The tribals are absolutely anti the corporates be it the steel mills, the mining companies, or huge projects like dams, all in all things which involve mass displacement and on this they don’t want to tolerate any outside interference and it is on this sentiment the naxals are cashing on, so this does raise the question on the constant harping of development being one of the solution, I am seriously not convinced on that plank.
Either the state decides, enough is enough and it is certainly not as if the state cant do it yet again, they have pulled it off successfully in the past be it in the 50’s or in the 60’s or in the 70’s when India faced many more chaos, was the hunger capital of the world, much like today’s Africa but with a steel resolve also come up with durable solutions, and in today's context andhra pradesh is such a fine example to take lessons from, or I hate to say get ready for a maoist ideology taking center stage in another two decades time.
The solution is simple, first, bullet for a bullet, don’t think twice if the mind has been made up to confront them with force. Two which has to hand in hand with the first, improve administration (this includes the police, the babus, and various other departments that govt handles) of our country big time with presiding officers made accountable at all stages and if something is not being implemented at the ground level then such people in-charge be prosecuted and put to jail, empower the poor of the country make them a part of this administration and if the presiding officer is not ready to adhere take strict action, seriously accountability at every level has to brought in, have a huge crack down on corruption the state bloody well do this or the price to be paid will be huge, get the land reforms asap, it is just too foolish to have huge lands vested with the forest department, why does 70% or more of our populace have to live on just 30% or less of the land? when a project has to be initiated take the local populace in confidence, let them decide for them selves because if they don’t want others coming to their forests then find ways sitting with them on how best to move forward, have a just compensation policy which gets implemented within a given time frame, and lastly have a justice system which is for today and not one taken from the british, and have a quick system in place.
These are simple solutions that I could think of but quite practical or so I presume, may sound socialist in nature but I couldn’t think of anything better, and it is around this the naxal movement is gaining force so I guess we do need to look for solutions to them as well, they work on a 10 point strategy, lets take the things that can be implemented.
The three main political ideologies and political outfits, the congress, the bjp and the left have taken a stand which makes sense, but the dilly dally done to make political gains is of no use at least not at this point in time.
Left is being confronted in WB but today the real sympathizer of naxal, mamta benerjee, is moving scot-free. In jharkhand bjp supports the government but shibu soren has no problem with the naxals, he in fact declines the existence of naxals. The nda in bihar led by the jd-u and supported by bjp see no problem with the naxals at least till the time the elections do not happen, which is like another 8 odd months from today, which means no action till then and free movement for recruitment for the naxals. In chhattisgarh its more talk which has gone on for over 6 years now than the real will to take them on, again one finds a bjp angle. I am seriously forced to question the political will in all the big talk these political parties are doing.
They have a huge base, with the front which has taken to the arm struggle constituting some 15000-20000 people and followers that run into many-many thousands if not many-many lacks. They are increasing their base which can be gauged from the fact that in 2003 they were present in just 50 districts, but today the same number is between 220-230 districts which is huge since that constitutes one third of the country, and are trying to move to virgin territory up north and to urban centers. The modus operandi is to move in disguise as the labor force, and to influence and appeal to the labor force of India. The tribals are absolutely anti the corporates be it the steel mills, the mining companies, or huge projects like dams, all in all things which involve mass displacement and on this they don’t want to tolerate any outside interference and it is on this sentiment the naxals are cashing on, so this does raise the question on the constant harping of development being one of the solution, I am seriously not convinced on that plank.
Either the state decides, enough is enough and it is certainly not as if the state cant do it yet again, they have pulled it off successfully in the past be it in the 50’s or in the 60’s or in the 70’s when India faced many more chaos, was the hunger capital of the world, much like today’s Africa but with a steel resolve also come up with durable solutions, and in today's context andhra pradesh is such a fine example to take lessons from, or I hate to say get ready for a maoist ideology taking center stage in another two decades time.
The solution is simple, first, bullet for a bullet, don’t think twice if the mind has been made up to confront them with force. Two which has to hand in hand with the first, improve administration (this includes the police, the babus, and various other departments that govt handles) of our country big time with presiding officers made accountable at all stages and if something is not being implemented at the ground level then such people in-charge be prosecuted and put to jail, empower the poor of the country make them a part of this administration and if the presiding officer is not ready to adhere take strict action, seriously accountability at every level has to brought in, have a huge crack down on corruption the state bloody well do this or the price to be paid will be huge, get the land reforms asap, it is just too foolish to have huge lands vested with the forest department, why does 70% or more of our populace have to live on just 30% or less of the land? when a project has to be initiated take the local populace in confidence, let them decide for them selves because if they don’t want others coming to their forests then find ways sitting with them on how best to move forward, have a just compensation policy which gets implemented within a given time frame, and lastly have a justice system which is for today and not one taken from the british, and have a quick system in place.
These are simple solutions that I could think of but quite practical or so I presume, may sound socialist in nature but I couldn’t think of anything better, and it is around this the naxal movement is gaining force so I guess we do need to look for solutions to them as well, they work on a 10 point strategy, lets take the things that can be implemented.
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There is no 'Operation Green Hunt': Chidambaram
RAIPUR: Home minister P Chidambaram on Wednesday insisted that there was no "Operation Green Hunt" against Maoists -- as has been widely reported. "There is no Operation Green Hunt," Chidambaram told reporters.
Chhattisgarh police officials say they had coined the term for one successful drive against the Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist) in the state.
But former Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) director general A.S. Gill told IANS it was wrong to call the current campaign against the Maoists by the same name.
"It is a media creation and continues till date," Gill said.
Chidambaram's clarification came a day after Maoist guerrillas massacred 76 security personnel in Chhattisgarh Tuesday in the worst attack since the Maoist movement erupted over four decades ago.
RAIPUR: Home minister P Chidambaram on Wednesday insisted that there was no "Operation Green Hunt" against Maoists -- as has been widely reported. "There is no Operation Green Hunt," Chidambaram told reporters.
Chhattisgarh police officials say they had coined the term for one successful drive against the Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist) in the state.
But former Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) director general A.S. Gill told IANS it was wrong to call the current campaign against the Maoists by the same name.
"It is a media creation and continues till date," Gill said.
Chidambaram's clarification came a day after Maoist guerrillas massacred 76 security personnel in Chhattisgarh Tuesday in the worst attack since the Maoist movement erupted over four decades ago.
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lol well said, its about time he walked the talk he does. all the talk of who is a naxal and who is not is all bull crap, if the andhra police can distinguish and can pull it off with such huge success and all with in span of just 3 years, when at one point in time it seemed andhra would be completely lost to these naxals then all these other states can as well do it. it seriously boils down to the resolve of certain few important people of our country.
i am sure if from 4 years from now congress were able to pull this off with grand success and go to polls they will surely come back with a thumping majority in the center.
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I fully support what our Air Chief has said. No Air power for combat action against Naxals or Maoists. We cannot afford another Blue star operation. Air power must be used for troop movement and also for providing logistics support.
Basically this attack was an intelligence failure. Why in India everything from flood relief, fighting a war, riot control has to be done by our Armed forces?? Why we have millions of paramilitary forces in this country. If they are not trained than we need to change the way they are trained.
This is also a socio –economic problem. I admit we cannot allow everyone to take up arms. But tribals and adivasis live on bare minimum things. If you snatch even these thing from them, than you have to face the consequences.
Basically this attack was an intelligence failure. Why in India everything from flood relief, fighting a war, riot control has to be done by our Armed forces?? Why we have millions of paramilitary forces in this country. If they are not trained than we need to change the way they are trained.
This is also a socio –economic problem. I admit we cannot allow everyone to take up arms. But tribals and adivasis live on bare minimum things. If you snatch even these thing from them, than you have to face the consequences.
I think the paramilitary forces and the police dealing with this menace needs to be equipped much better. Armored vehicles, heavy firepower, use of technology like drones for intelligence, having access to air power at beck and call etc. should be routine.
Our police is fighting these scum with none of the support that they need from the nation. It should be an unequal fight, one where the naxals have no chance in any battle.
Our police is fighting these scum with none of the support that they need from the nation. It should be an unequal fight, one where the naxals have no chance in any battle.
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It is possible to prepare police force to counter the Maoists. But it will take time to get enough personnel who are trained. By the time the Maoist will make them equipped to face tougher challenges.
Punjab police example does not hold in the jungles. Do not forget how Virappan and his gang brought the shit out of those Punjab Police Commandoes (many battalions were bought from Punjab) who had demolished the Khalistanis in Punjab.
Intelligence failures will be always there. In those jungles it takes two-three days to reach one village walking from another. How do you think a effective intelligence system will work here?
Inclusion of army and air-force can reduce the casualties because of the surveillance and other equipments they have (like night vision, navigation device etc). Just distributing AK-47 do not mean modernization.
Is there any previous instance where more than 1000 insurgents took part in a single operation against security force??? If still they think Army/air-force not required they are wasting precious time. Because tomorrow they will have to send Army.... There is no other way out.
Punjab police example does not hold in the jungles. Do not forget how Virappan and his gang brought the shit out of those Punjab Police Commandoes (many battalions were bought from Punjab) who had demolished the Khalistanis in Punjab.
Intelligence failures will be always there. In those jungles it takes two-three days to reach one village walking from another. How do you think a effective intelligence system will work here?
Inclusion of army and air-force can reduce the casualties because of the surveillance and other equipments they have (like night vision, navigation device etc). Just distributing AK-47 do not mean modernization.
Is there any previous instance where more than 1000 insurgents took part in a single operation against security force??? If still they think Army/air-force not required they are wasting precious time. Because tomorrow they will have to send Army.... There is no other way out.
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Search operations continue; troops pour into Chintalnar
Blood stains, spent shells, mismatched shoes and swatches of discarded camouflage gear still litter the wide field 3 km from Chintalnar village in Chhattisgarh's Dantewada district where Maoist rebels killed 76 personnel from the Central Reserve Police Force's 62nd Battalion. At the battalion's campsite, jawans barricaded the entrance with concertina wire and refused to speak with the press.
Indian Air Force helicopters buzzed overhead, bringing in fresh troops and supplies to assist the besieged camp.While information regarding the exact chronology of Tuesday's attack is still unclear, in a press conference in Jagdalpur, Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram reeled out a sequence of events slightly at odds with reports carried by The Hindu on Tuesday.
Joint planning
Unlike previously reported, Tuesday's mission was conducted entirely by the CRPF with only one accompanying head constable from the Chhattisgarh police. However, the operation was jointly planned by the police and the CRPF, which resulted in the initial confusion regarding the nature of the so-called “joint-operation.”
Of the 82 CRPF men who went on the original mission, 75 were killed and seven injured. While a high-ranking police officer based in Raipur told The Hindu that an additional 40 men from the Chhattisgarh police had accompanied the force into the forest, he appeared to have been confused by the additional troops sent as reinforcements.
Source - The Hindu
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Chhattisgarh police officials say they had coined the term for one successful drive against the Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist) in the state.
But former Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) director general A.S. Gill told IANS it was wrong to call the current campaign against the Maoists by the same name.
"It is a media creation and continues till date," Gill said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...reen-Hunt-Chidambaram/articleshow/5770130.cms
But former Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) director general A.S. Gill told IANS it was wrong to call the current campaign against the Maoists by the same name.
"It is a media creation and continues till date," Gill said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...reen-Hunt-Chidambaram/articleshow/5770130.cms
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Govt determined to defeat Maoist aim: Chidambaram
“To talk of talks now would be mocking at the supreme sacrifice made by our jawans,” home minister P Chidambaram
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...aoist-aim-Chidambaram/articleshow/5772496.cms
CRPF knew 600 Maoists were in the region
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ts-were-in-the-region/articleshow/5772489.cms
“To talk of talks now would be mocking at the supreme sacrifice made by our jawans,” home minister P Chidambaram
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...aoist-aim-Chidambaram/articleshow/5772496.cms
CRPF knew 600 Maoists were in the region
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ts-were-in-the-region/articleshow/5772489.cms
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Anger spills over in CRPF camp
Soumittra S Bose , TNN, Apr 8, 2010, 03.15am IST
CHINTALNAR: Deep discontentment and utter frustration sweeps CRPF's 62 Battalion camp at Chintalnar, around 185 km from Jagdalpur in Chhattisgarh, that lost 76 men to the worst ever Maoist ambush on Tuesday.
The jawans are angry over the delay in reinforcements following the attack, their gruelling day-to-day lives in remote jungles and the failure of senior officials to show up at the camp after the tragedy. The edgy jawans didn't even spare Union home minister P Chidambaram and the media for sympathising with them "for the sake of it".
"People are issuing statements, expressing grief over the incident, but how many have tried to see the condition we work in," yelled a jawan from inside the camp. "Media are flashing fabricated reports about senior officers making visits or camping at our site. No one has actually turned up," he added.
He said politicians were finding faults with them. "They say it was a mistake. How can they pass such a judgment sitting in Delhi?" asked another jawan. Another jawan joined in to take a dig at the politicians.
"Choppers are ready for their emergency needs, but when our men bleed to death without any assistance, the choppers are no where to be seen," said the jawan. "Our seniors keep talking on the phone and the assistance is delayed."
Their seniors tried to calm the jawans down but they continued to vent their anger at the government's apathy. "We've to walk around 42-km daily with facilities that don't even match up to minimum standards," said another jawan. "They've provided booster pumps to draw water but there is no electricity."
He said the jawans even go hungry during operations. "We're forced to fight without rest or food. Why this discrimination against us?" asked a jawan who was part of the rescue operation.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Anger-spills-over-in-CRPF-camp/articleshow/5772292.cms
Soumittra S Bose , TNN, Apr 8, 2010, 03.15am IST
CHINTALNAR: Deep discontentment and utter frustration sweeps CRPF's 62 Battalion camp at Chintalnar, around 185 km from Jagdalpur in Chhattisgarh, that lost 76 men to the worst ever Maoist ambush on Tuesday.
The jawans are angry over the delay in reinforcements following the attack, their gruelling day-to-day lives in remote jungles and the failure of senior officials to show up at the camp after the tragedy. The edgy jawans didn't even spare Union home minister P Chidambaram and the media for sympathising with them "for the sake of it".
"People are issuing statements, expressing grief over the incident, but how many have tried to see the condition we work in," yelled a jawan from inside the camp. "Media are flashing fabricated reports about senior officers making visits or camping at our site. No one has actually turned up," he added.
He said politicians were finding faults with them. "They say it was a mistake. How can they pass such a judgment sitting in Delhi?" asked another jawan. Another jawan joined in to take a dig at the politicians.
"Choppers are ready for their emergency needs, but when our men bleed to death without any assistance, the choppers are no where to be seen," said the jawan. "Our seniors keep talking on the phone and the assistance is delayed."
Their seniors tried to calm the jawans down but they continued to vent their anger at the government's apathy. "We've to walk around 42-km daily with facilities that don't even match up to minimum standards," said another jawan. "They've provided booster pumps to draw water but there is no electricity."
He said the jawans even go hungry during operations. "We're forced to fight without rest or food. Why this discrimination against us?" asked a jawan who was part of the rescue operation.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Anger-spills-over-in-CRPF-camp/articleshow/5772292.cms
