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Here is exactly what I'm talking about, put ever so lucidly by B. Raman:
Why Naxals can easily set up deadly ambushes
Last updated on: April 06, 2010 17:06 IST
The CRPF and local police on anti-Naxal operations perform a thankless job but a few basic counter-insurgency measures could have prevented the deadly Dantewada attack, writes B Raman.
6/4 will go down as a black day in the history of India's counter-insurgency just as 26/11 became a black day in the history of Indian counter-terrorism.
In a well-prepared and well-executed attack of unprecedented mobilisation, precision and savagery a large number of Maoists (Naxalites) -- estimated by the local police to be about 1,000 strong -- ambushed a combined party of over 80 members of the Central Reserve Police Force and the district police returning from road security duty and managed to kill 75 members of the CRPF and local police force on April 6.
The Maoists had reportedly taken up position on a hill overlooking the route by which the party was returning after performing its task. It is not clear whether the route was a regular road or a motorable jungle track. The ambush took place in the thick Mukrana forests of Chhattisgarh's Dantewada district.
The fact that the Maoists were able to mobilise such a large number of persons for the ambush would indicate that they had advance indication of the return of the CRPF party by that route. They might have had advance intelligence of the plans of the party or they might have assessed that the CRPF might be returning by this road after watching the CRPF men conduct search and destroy operations in the area for three days.
A rule of precaution in counter-insurgency operation is that you don't use the same route for going to an operational area and returning. Often, this precaution is not followed by the security forces either due to carelessness or due to the fact that the security forces do not have much of a choice due to the poor development of roads in the jungle areas in which the Maoists operate.
One may recall an incident a couple of years ago when a large police party had gone by boat from Andhra Pradesh into Orissa. The Maoists had noticed them going and had correctly assessed that the party would be returning by the same route. When they did, a large number of Maoists had taken up position on a raised feature overlooking the river and they literally mowed down over 50 members of the police party.
We have probably not learnt the right lessons from the river ambush and facilitated a deadly road ambush in thick forests by not following basic dos and don'ts of counter-insurgency. The CRPF and the police have to perform a thankless task for want of proper road and telecommunications networks in the Maoist-infected areas. While the Maoists are trained to trek long distances by foot, the security forces tend to be road and vehicles-bound.
They become sitting ducks for the insurgents, who surprise them with explosives and landmines and then mow them down with hand-held weapons. The reflexes of the security forces tend to be weak as could be seen from the fact that there have been very few instances of an ambushed security forces patrol recovering from the ambush and retaliating against the Maoists. Ambushes always tend to be fatal for the security forces with very few instances of successful counter-ambushes by the security forces.
Continuing serious deficiencies in rural policing and in police-rural communities relationships have been coming in the way of village help for the police by way of preventive intelligence. Counter-intelligence in the rural areas to prevent the penetration of the security forces by the Maoists is also weak. The fact that only one member of the police was killed in the ambush makes one suspects possible collusion between the Maoists and some members of the district police.
Since the Maoists and the local police recruits are recruited from the same rural stock, possibilities of penetration of the new police recruits by the Maoists are high.
The time has come to think in terms of using helicopter patrols and spotter drones in our counter-insurgency operations against the Maoists in areas covered by thick jungles. An important question to be examined in this connection is how to prevent civilian casualties of villagers and residents of jungles and avoid environmental damage.
B Raman
http://news.rediff.com/column/2010/apr/06/view-why-naxals-can-easily-set-up-deadly-ambushes.htm
Why Naxals can easily set up deadly ambushes
Last updated on: April 06, 2010 17:06 IST
The CRPF and local police on anti-Naxal operations perform a thankless job but a few basic counter-insurgency measures could have prevented the deadly Dantewada attack, writes B Raman.
6/4 will go down as a black day in the history of India's counter-insurgency just as 26/11 became a black day in the history of Indian counter-terrorism.
In a well-prepared and well-executed attack of unprecedented mobilisation, precision and savagery a large number of Maoists (Naxalites) -- estimated by the local police to be about 1,000 strong -- ambushed a combined party of over 80 members of the Central Reserve Police Force and the district police returning from road security duty and managed to kill 75 members of the CRPF and local police force on April 6.
The Maoists had reportedly taken up position on a hill overlooking the route by which the party was returning after performing its task. It is not clear whether the route was a regular road or a motorable jungle track. The ambush took place in the thick Mukrana forests of Chhattisgarh's Dantewada district.
The fact that the Maoists were able to mobilise such a large number of persons for the ambush would indicate that they had advance indication of the return of the CRPF party by that route. They might have had advance intelligence of the plans of the party or they might have assessed that the CRPF might be returning by this road after watching the CRPF men conduct search and destroy operations in the area for three days.
A rule of precaution in counter-insurgency operation is that you don't use the same route for going to an operational area and returning. Often, this precaution is not followed by the security forces either due to carelessness or due to the fact that the security forces do not have much of a choice due to the poor development of roads in the jungle areas in which the Maoists operate.
One may recall an incident a couple of years ago when a large police party had gone by boat from Andhra Pradesh into Orissa. The Maoists had noticed them going and had correctly assessed that the party would be returning by the same route. When they did, a large number of Maoists had taken up position on a raised feature overlooking the river and they literally mowed down over 50 members of the police party.
We have probably not learnt the right lessons from the river ambush and facilitated a deadly road ambush in thick forests by not following basic dos and don'ts of counter-insurgency. The CRPF and the police have to perform a thankless task for want of proper road and telecommunications networks in the Maoist-infected areas. While the Maoists are trained to trek long distances by foot, the security forces tend to be road and vehicles-bound.
They become sitting ducks for the insurgents, who surprise them with explosives and landmines and then mow them down with hand-held weapons. The reflexes of the security forces tend to be weak as could be seen from the fact that there have been very few instances of an ambushed security forces patrol recovering from the ambush and retaliating against the Maoists. Ambushes always tend to be fatal for the security forces with very few instances of successful counter-ambushes by the security forces.
Continuing serious deficiencies in rural policing and in police-rural communities relationships have been coming in the way of village help for the police by way of preventive intelligence. Counter-intelligence in the rural areas to prevent the penetration of the security forces by the Maoists is also weak. The fact that only one member of the police was killed in the ambush makes one suspects possible collusion between the Maoists and some members of the district police.
Since the Maoists and the local police recruits are recruited from the same rural stock, possibilities of penetration of the new police recruits by the Maoists are high.
The time has come to think in terms of using helicopter patrols and spotter drones in our counter-insurgency operations against the Maoists in areas covered by thick jungles. An important question to be examined in this connection is how to prevent civilian casualties of villagers and residents of jungles and avoid environmental damage.
B Raman
http://news.rediff.com/column/2010/apr/06/view-why-naxals-can-easily-set-up-deadly-ambushes.htm
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LF you have me, let's shoot em' down like mad dogs.
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I am a bengali, but I am ashamed of Arundhati Roy. Doesn't she have anything better to do? FBB.
Dateline Dantewada: Roy with the Maoists
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that is the easiest thing to say, so as to take off all the responsibility from the shoulders of the politicians. so very cleverly they have shifted the focus back on the crpf personnel so that no one puts odd questions to these politicians. just how much more pathetic can these politicians get, man i seriously hope a few of these f***holes sitting in delhi were taken out would such crap have not been circulated.
how much more disgusting can this keep getting?
i seriously hope this is the 26/11 for us, may be we could give a date to it as well 6/4 which keeps reminding us of the horrific incident, at least for some of us this is the watershed moment.
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If we have to defeat the Maoists we need to understand their modus operandi. In remote villages and jungles they moved in small groups. But when they fabricate any attack like shilda camp in WB or recent attack in Chattishgarh they gather for that purpose. How can they inflict so much damage on security force when CRPF or even Police Force in those areas with their vintage weapons (now many AK-47 and INSAS have fallen in their hands too)? Their success should be credited to the fact that they coordinate the attack very well. All small groups join together to overwhelm the security forces by number. Element of surprise is of course there. But, the main reason of success of these attacks is their ability to outnumber even a battalion of CRPF or police with 100 odd personnel. If the Government wants to prevent such attack successfully they have to concentrate on blocking their free movement in jungles. I do not know whether there is better way than attacking them from sky or placing small groups of snipers in jungles. Unfortunately, most of the States other than A.P have kept on sending police party to patrol through the jungle roads as if the Maoist will come down there doing a favour to them. I can bet these patrol parties thank God every time after coming back when they do not have to face their declared enemies. The number of forces deployed in affected States is definitely ten or twenty times more than the Maoists. But they still manage to outnumber their target during every attack. So we need to send small groups of snipers in the jungles to prevent them to gather for any attack and whenever these groups provide information about any specific location follow up with aerial attacks.
It is a battle of psychology too. People have the tendency to side with which they consider powerful. Poor tribal population in those areas does not know how big or how powerful their Nation is. But, they witness regular embarrassments of our forces in the hands of these Maoists. That will eventually help the Maoists to get fresh recruits. Government needs to try all possible means to inflict major damage and casualties among them to break moral of their cadres and discourage youths to join with them.
Some members earlier mentioned about peace talk, root cause, development etc in reply of one of my Blog post. I should say it is difficult to understand ground realities from living in A.C room. They went very far for these things. Maoism is an ideology which believes in taking over power on gun point. So today they have approached to the deprived lots in remote areas. Tomorrow they will come to urban unemployed population or labours of locked-out factories. Telegu Dipak – the Maoist leaders arrested by Kolkata police have done few such meetings with labours of locked out factories before his arrest. You can’t open all factories overnight or change economic situation of backward areas specially when Maoists are actively working against development works to maintain the ambiance that has given birth to their movement. All such good initiatives will take time and you need to keep check on Maoist movement till then if necessary with brute force.
It is a battle of psychology too. People have the tendency to side with which they consider powerful. Poor tribal population in those areas does not know how big or how powerful their Nation is. But, they witness regular embarrassments of our forces in the hands of these Maoists. That will eventually help the Maoists to get fresh recruits. Government needs to try all possible means to inflict major damage and casualties among them to break moral of their cadres and discourage youths to join with them.
Some members earlier mentioned about peace talk, root cause, development etc in reply of one of my Blog post. I should say it is difficult to understand ground realities from living in A.C room. They went very far for these things. Maoism is an ideology which believes in taking over power on gun point. So today they have approached to the deprived lots in remote areas. Tomorrow they will come to urban unemployed population or labours of locked-out factories. Telegu Dipak – the Maoist leaders arrested by Kolkata police have done few such meetings with labours of locked out factories before his arrest. You can’t open all factories overnight or change economic situation of backward areas specially when Maoists are actively working against development works to maintain the ambiance that has given birth to their movement. All such good initiatives will take time and you need to keep check on Maoist movement till then if necessary with brute force.
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I think it is EDIT like you who support these braindead, ideologies and calll these organized and well funded criminal gangs as poor tribals who have a Multi-Crore Extortion, smuggling, Drug Trafficking, Kidnapings etc. Business as in the case on any Communists organization in the world! Its people like you who hid behind socialistic ideas and promote violence against the State, if they hv grievances that does not mean kill thousands, few Tribal who control land can not hold State by their necks, just because they hv issues and wud like Crores being funded by illegal activities! EDIT
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First, arrest all these Air Conditioned drawing room commies such as Arundhati Roy, mahashveta devi, rahul bose CPIM-CPI leaders etc and Send a Firing squad to places like JNU where AISA-Naxal student wing openly propagate and recruit New cadres for naxalism from capital delhi!
Then, send few bombers into the red corridor and Bombs their asses out, enough of poor tribal BS, I hv been hearing this Crap from a very long time and Congress has fooled the country for a long time. First taking Maoist support against Marxists in West Bengal Nondigrom etc and of-course sabotaging TDP Gov. in AP!
If not, All Congressiyas shud shot themselves in the head , if Not I wud Butcher them with pleasure. Bloody making FOOLS of everyone in the name of stupid Gandhism and peace, as if these dirty politicians are peace loving. I will hv no remorse in executing the whole cabinet including Rahul Baba, Sonia Chachi, with NDTV's Barkha Dutt, Pranoy Roy etc...just Need permission from Courts!
Truly Chidambram and Congress is an Abomination a Curse since Nehru!
Then, send few bombers into the red corridor and Bombs their asses out, enough of poor tribal BS, I hv been hearing this Crap from a very long time and Congress has fooled the country for a long time. First taking Maoist support against Marxists in West Bengal Nondigrom etc and of-course sabotaging TDP Gov. in AP!
If not, All Congressiyas shud shot themselves in the head , if Not I wud Butcher them with pleasure. Bloody making FOOLS of everyone in the name of stupid Gandhism and peace, as if these dirty politicians are peace loving. I will hv no remorse in executing the whole cabinet including Rahul Baba, Sonia Chachi, with NDTV's Barkha Dutt, Pranoy Roy etc...just Need permission from Courts!
Truly Chidambram and Congress is an Abomination a Curse since Nehru!
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Exactly, TR. Lets call it April 6, red massacare. Shifting the blame on to the CRPF dead martyrs is wrong. Who knows what they were after, what intelligence inputs they were given. Is the manual always used? If so, would they face any success against the maoists? Everytime a big attack happens, this same excuse it given.
But one thing, the maoists generally kill 5-20 jawans or civilians almost every week. They murder them and still their sympathisers try to romanticise them. But such a brutal and largescale attack must turn the tide. Maoist propaganda spreaders must not be tolerated by public anymore.
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I agree with you Dark Prince. Somehow Mr. Praveen has been indicating every post in this thread that force itself is not enough and only and only development of tribals is to be used. Though he advocated force against the village elites, he advocates taking away power from elected MPs and MLAs in a democratic setup. He is literally equating all maoist actions as the actions of frustrated tribals.
Cant he understand that the Govt cannot develop an area when it is infested with maoists? Cant he understand that the maoists are running a huge extortion racket? Cant he understand that maoism is no more a tribal/poor fight against the system?
And to top it all I have not even seen him condemn the attack or sympathise with the martyrs. Maybe I missed it(and if I did, I apologise in advance), but really did not see and strong words against the naxals, only attacks on 'other factors'. If this is not an implicit support of maoist propaganda, then what is?
Cant he understand that the Govt cannot develop an area when it is infested with maoists? Cant he understand that the maoists are running a huge extortion racket? Cant he understand that maoism is no more a tribal/poor fight against the system?
And to top it all I have not even seen him condemn the attack or sympathise with the martyrs. Maybe I missed it(and if I did, I apologise in advance), but really did not see and strong words against the naxals, only attacks on 'other factors'. If this is not an implicit support of maoist propaganda, then what is?
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So here is my question to Arundhati Roy:
"If the Maoists can deploy near a thousand troops to take on a hundred twenty CRPF personnel patrollin in their vehicles, why can't the Government of India deploy its personnel in the tens of thousands to take on maoist troops? What 'moral ground' or 'justification of self worth' on do you premise the Maoist ambush as 'legitimate' and the Government of India's operation as 'debauched'?"
"If the Maoists can deploy near a thousand troops to take on a hundred twenty CRPF personnel patrollin in their vehicles, why can't the Government of India deploy its personnel in the tens of thousands to take on maoist troops? What 'moral ground' or 'justification of self worth' on do you premise the Maoist ambush as 'legitimate' and the Government of India's operation as 'debauched'?"
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Dark Prince,
one point of disagreement. Chidambaram, perhaps is the first home minister who is going after the naxals with some real will, why blame him? Blame all those who are not supporting him. Where is Sonia Gandhi, where is Rahul baba and where all the other psec parties? Why is no one giving any statements condemning the naxals, branding them 'mout ke saudagar'? Why are they not condemning outrightly? This is leftist violence.
Let us rewind and see how all of them reacted to Varun Gandhi episode. It was rightist threat of a potential violence. Every politician was queueing up to sling some mud on Varun baba, but where are all those people now?
one point of disagreement. Chidambaram, perhaps is the first home minister who is going after the naxals with some real will, why blame him? Blame all those who are not supporting him. Where is Sonia Gandhi, where is Rahul baba and where all the other psec parties? Why is no one giving any statements condemning the naxals, branding them 'mout ke saudagar'? Why are they not condemning outrightly? This is leftist violence.
Let us rewind and see how all of them reacted to Varun Gandhi episode. It was rightist threat of a potential violence. Every politician was queueing up to sling some mud on Varun baba, but where are all those people now?
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Every act of Govt according to the naxals and their sympathisers is an action from the class against the mass. Period. That is their position. According to them people should not believe the govt and all actions of the Govt are illegitimate. So, if they kill the police, it is glorious. But if they are killed by the police then police are cruel.
Its a red jihad.
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Stop behaving like a comic character sitting in drawing room. We need to act tough because it is time for that. But that does not validate inefficiency of our system which keeps on giving birth of insurgents. You put your opinion in decent manner as whirling a sward from your room is not going to change things a bit.
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Dark price I was going to delete your posts but then thought it would be good that you delete the lines you got personal with praveen. The rest of the points are good, but everyone has got his right to voice his opinion. We cannot get personal. Appreciate you following that in the future.
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Ain't that a real b^tch?
So here's my question to Arundhati again: where is the hypocrisy now?
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Sabir, didnt you just get personal with him here. Reference to his drawing room was that not an indirect personal attack. Calling him a 'comic character', is that not a personal attack? You were more subtle, clever and artistic while Dark Prince was more straight forward. What is the difference between his post(in terms of personal reference) and yours? The only objection could be use of abuses.
Also, did Dark Prince say he supports the present system with all its inefficiencies and corruptions? He was against these factors being used to shield and justify the violence being perpetuated by the maoists/naxals.
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You bet she is Bch.
But the problem is not with people like A Roy or her crowd but with people who actually give her space in media.
