Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicles (MIRVs)

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Re: Agni-VI propel India into the club of MIRV with US, China, and Rus

The last sentence is even more confusing than your usual sentences. Keep up your mental masturbation of India vs China.
lawyers usually make confusing statements. We dont need anything about India Vs China.

We are just conscious of security environment.

;you guys just keep on having wet dream of Chines superiority and China Pak friendship :thumb:
 

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Re: Agni-VI propel India into the club of MIRV with US, China, and Rus

lawyers usually make confusing statements. We dont need anything about India Vs China.

We are just conscious of security environment.

;you guys just keep on having wet dream of Chines superiority and China Pak friendship :thumb:
Lawyers dont make confusing statements. They let their oppenents trip over their own feet. It is good to know that you like to make confusing statements.:lol:

Reading my posts and yours it is pretty clear who brought the India vs China in the first place,Now you even brought up Pakistan.
Is drifting from a topic typical for indian lawyers? If you cant even stick to a topic in an internet forum, I dread to think how you will perform in a court, or maybe that is how it works in a Indian court.

Anyway have fun with your tirade of China , Pakistan and India.
I have already made my point in post # 9.
Jay Hind!
 

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Triconic RV shape seems to have been choice of French and Russian designers back in 1980s. Some sources claim that triconic RV shape gives engineers more "elbow room" when designing the weapon.

French MIRVs. Not sure what model they are, but since it seems there is room for six in that SLBM those are either TN-70, TN-71 or TN-75 MIRVs.




RT-23 Molodets MIRVs.

 
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It was 10 satellites which I hope means 10 warhead MIRV. Chinese have 3 warhead DF-31a.
Nuclear weapon like W88 (weights more than 300kg) are manufactured from many components not needed in satellites, and unlike small satellites they need to be shielded from a heat of atmospheric re-entry. Just because country can put 10 very small satellites on orbit, does not mean they can deploy 10 nuclear MIRV's on their missiles... you need a highly miniaturized weapons technology to do that and even then it's not necessary same thing as reliable weapon.



This is roughly what a simple fission warheads needs for it to work:

- Pit assembly manufactured from U-235 or Pu-239, but other materials are also used, and all of that will be shrouded by explosives. If insensitive high explosive is used then warhead will be safer but physically larger. (In thermonuclear weapons this assembly is only the primary).

- Batteries and other electronic equipment.

- Arming and fuzing systems for it to detonate in optimal altitude.

- Safety technologies to make sure no one can detonate it without authorization.

- Reentry-vehicle used to shield warhead section when it comes down.


And if you want to make nuclear weapon easy to maintain it will be even larger since you need to give "elbow space" to people who take it apart from time to time.
 
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Nuclear weapon like W88 (weights more than 300kg) are manufactured from many components not needed in satellites, and unlike small satellites they need to be shielded from a heat of atmospheric re-entry. Just because country can put 10 very small satellites on orbit, does not mean they can deploy 10 nuclear MIRV's on their missiles... you need a highly miniaturized weapons technology to do that and even then it's not necessary same thing as reliable weapon.



This is roughly what a simple fission warheads needs for it to work:

- Pit manufactured from U-235 or Pu-239, and this will be shrouded by explosives. If insensitive high explosive is used then warhead will be safer but physically larger. (In thermonuclear weapons this assembly is only the primary).

- Batteries and other electronic equipment.

- Arming and fuzing systems for it to detonate in optimal altitude.

- Safety technologies to make sure no one can detonate it without authorization.

- Reentry-vehicle used to shield warhead section when it comes down.

india has not tested any megaton nukes intentionally kept warheads in kilotons, MIRV
has been the plan along. if you can guide ten separate satellites in orbit ten warheads on earth
may possibly easier.
 

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Triconic RV shape seems to have been choice of French and Russian designers back in 1980s. Some sources claim that triconic RV shape gives engineers more "elbow room" when designing the weapon.

French MIRVs. Not sure what model they are, but since it seems there is room for six in that SLBM those are either TN-70, TN-71 or TN-75 MIRVs.




RT-23 Molodets MIRVs.

can you post the video from where screen shots are taken.
 

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india has not tested any megaton nukes intentionally kept warheads in kilotons, MIRV
has been the plan along. if you can guide ten separate satellites in orbit ten warheads on earth
may possibly easier.
Again, you don't understand weight and size differences between small satellites and RV's.
 

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can you post the video from where screen shots are taken.
No idea where to find film about those French MIRV's, but Russian ones can be briefly seen in "Weapons races" documentaries what can be found from youtube. Here is missiles one.
 
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India's Agni-V ICBM to Carry Multiple Nuclear Warheads | The Diplomat

India's Agni-V ICBM to Carry Multiple Nuclear Warheads


Delhi's use of MIRV technology on its longest-range missile could destabilize the nuclear balance with China




India is reconfiguring its longest-range missile to enable it to carry multiple nuclear warheads, Chennai-based The Hindu reported on Wednesday, citing a senior Indian official.

V.K. Saraswat, Director-General of the Defence Research and Development Organisation, told the newspaper that a team is modifying the Agni-V to give it the ability to carry Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicles (MIRVs).

"Work on that is going on and it is at design stage," Saraswat told The Hindu.

The Agni-V is a nuclear-capable three-stage, solid-fuel missile with an initial range of 5,000 kilometers that will likely be extended to over 5,5000 kms, making it an Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM). India first tested the Agni-V last April, and the launch was a success.

The test was widely celebrated among official India and the Indian press where some referred to as the "China killer" owing to the fact that missile puts in range all of China's major cities for the first time. Saraswat himself called the missile a "game-changer."

MIRVs enable ICBMs to carry multiple nuclear warheads on a single missile, and strike multiple targets or a single target with greater efficiency. After the last stage of the ICBM boosts off, a MIRVed ICBM will dispense the warheads to their separate or singular targets. Both the Soviet Union and the United States MIRVed their ICBM forces during the 1970s, which complicated arms control agreements moving forward.

It has long been suspected that India would at some point seek to modify the Agni-V and the Agni-III— an intermediate range ballistic missile which has the same build as the Agni-V— with MIRVs. This is primarily because China is believed to be in the process of testing MIRVed versions of its DF-31 ICBM and DF-41 road-mobile ICBM.

MIRVing ICBMs has the potential to destabilize a mutually assured destruction situation primarily because they could give nations greater confidence in being able to destroy an adversary's hardened missile silo sites in a first strike by launching multiple, lower yield warheads at the sites. This fear, in turn, increases the strategic logic of offensive action as nations could come to believe that they have to be the first side to launch nuclear strikes or risk having a large portion of their nuclear forces wiped out by an adversary.

There were strong fears throughout the second half of the Cold War about the destabilizing effects of MIRVed missiles. As one source recounts:

"MIRVed land-based ICBMs were considered destabilizing because they tended to put a premium on striking first. MIRVs threatened to rapidly increase the U.S.'s deployable nuclear arsenal and thus the possibility that it would have enough bombs to destroy virtually all of the Soviet Union's nuclear weapons and negate any significant retaliation. Later on the U.S. feared the Soviet's MIRVs because Soviet missiles had a greater throw-weight and could thus put more warheads on each missile than the U.S. could."

The smaller size of the Chinese and Indian nuclear and missile forces could enhance the destabilizing nature of introducing MIRV technology into the relationship. It should be noted, however, that both China and India have no-first use nuclear doctrines, which should theoretically reduce the danger and anxiety created by MIRVed nuclear forces. Additionally both India and China are in the process of acquiring Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs) that, once reliable forces are operating, virtually ensure that some second strike capability would survive a first strike by the other side.

Still, at the very least the introduction of MIRVed technology into the Sino-Indo strategic balance could convince both sides that they need to significantly expand the size of their nuclear forces. This would inevitably complicate global efforts to reduce the size of nuclear arsenals. Indeed, Russia recently stated that it is no longer interested in bilateral nuclear arms reductions with the United States, and will only pursue arms control agreements on a multilateral basis.
 

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http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.aspx?id=fwtYJNH$$/jA=

BALASORE: Preparations are afoot at the defence base off Odisha coast for the first canister launch of India's longest range nuclear capable missile Agni-V. The test is likely to be conducted on January 7 or 8 and Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been invited to witness the launch.

The motor, body and other sub-systems of the indigenously developed missile having a strike range of 5,000-km have been brought to the Wheeler Island test facility and DRDO scientists are busy assembling the weapon system.

Sources told this paper that the schedule of the missile test depends on the programme of the Prime Minister.

This will be third developmental trial of the surface-to-surface Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM). Its first test was conducted on April 19, 2012 and second test on September 15, 2013. Both were successful and the data generated during both the missions were satisfactory.

Successful trial of the weapon system would pave the way for its induction in the armed forces next year. The canister version, which imparts higher road mobility, will give the armed forces greater operational flexibility than the earlier generation of Agni missiles.

DRDO Chief Avinash Chander said though the exact time and date has not been finalised, the test is on schedule. "This missile is the best in its class in the world with its advanced ring-laser gyros, composite rocket motors and highly accurate micro-navigation systems and inertial navigation systems," he said.

The three-stage, 17-metre tall, two-metre wide Agni-V, weighing around 50 tonnes, is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead of about 1.5 tonnes. As it incorporates advanced technologies involving ring laser gyroscope and accelerometer for navigation and guidance, its accuracy level is far higher than its three earlier variants.

What makes the missile more effective is that it can be equipped with Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicles (MITRV) capable of delivering multiple warheads at different targets at long distance.

In its operational form, the missile is designed to be stored and launched from the canister, enhancing its storage, operational readiness, transportability, response time and shelf life.
 

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IMO , A5 will not be MIRVed .

But I will be extremely happy if proven wrong .... :rofl:
 

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MIRV will be a proper declaration we have megaton nuclear weapon yield capability.

We ought to not be shy about it.
 

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MIRV will be a proper declaration we have megaton nuclear weapon yield capability.

We ought to not be shy about it.

How will MIRV be a declaration of Megaton yield weapons? MIRVs will have 250kt yield warheads that we have.
 

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How will MIRV be a declaration of Megaton yield weapons? MIRVs will have 250kt yield warheads that we have.
Number of MIRVs * 250 Kt yield. If a missile carries 5 MIRVs it will give a combined yield of 1+ Mt. :p
 

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Wrong report.

Jan tests will not have MIRV.

MIRV is dedicated for A6 and K5, both with approx 6000 km range.

A5 would have MaRV, not MIRV.
 

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