Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

[ALBY]

Well my skepticism towards their claims of it being indigenous on side for a second,

looks OK to me, like they provided a standard pistol grip + buttstock adapter for SVD to it thus making it possible to give it more ;Battle Rifle; like ergonomics,after that providing front handguards fastened on its default place i.e. on its barrel via those locking tabs and of course hinged top mounted rail that fastens on new pistol grip-buttstock adapter, setup doesn't seem so ideal to me for a long range sniper rifle but guess something's better than nothing, as long as they could make it stiff enough to not wobble it is fine.

Seems design is inspired from Arsenal M5F41 to me lol
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BTW a sidenote,remember this pic ? probably taken at yudh abhyas or some other exercise...

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^this upgrade was done by FAB guys with their pattern of pistol grip-buttstock adapter + collapsible buttstock with adjustable cheek piece and of course railed handguards (here covered by sectional rail covers)

VFR-SVD - SVD Aluminum Quad-Rail system - FAB Defense - EXPECT MORE

SVD Aluminum Quad-Rail system - VFR-SVD F.A.B. Defense | KEEP IT REAL

www.fab-defense.com

GL-CORE CP - AR15/M4 Buttstock with adjustable Cheek-Rest for Mil-Spec and Commercial Tubes - FAB Defense - EXPECT MORE

AR15/M4 Buttstock with adjustable Cheek-Rest for Mil-Spec and Commercial Tubes - GL-CORE CP F.A.B. Defense | KEEP IT REAL

www.fab-defense.com

M4 SVD - Side Folding and Collapsible Buttstock kit for SVD - FAB Defense - EXPECT MORE

Side Folding and Collapsible Buttstock kit for SVD - M4 SVD F.A.B. Defense | KEEP IT REAL

www.fab-defense.com

They were *this* near to provide us full upgrade package for SVD as well but seems they didn't bother much with top rails much else they might've got the contract who knows.

Actually the top rail of M5F41 was taken/inspired from beryl iirc.
Whats the practical issue with the side rail adapter system provided by Fab instead of a full top rail? Galil too have the same system.We can mount the scope on the side rail plus if there is thermals then it could be mounted on the top of handguards.Seems that both would cowitness

 

[ezsasa]

Until this thing is ordered and inducted into domestic ops in India it's hard to get too excited but it is great to see it out there in the field and hopefully this will lead to successes on the domestic front.


There's a huge market for this kind of vehicle between the army and CAPFs


CISF has ordered the Renault Sherpa that must cost significantly more than this for protecting airports, CRPF has also inducted Sherpas into JK


All those up-armoured Gypsys have to be replaced sooner or later


No, unrelated

gypsies will probably have to stay to navigate thru narrow gullies.

 

[GunDeGunday]

Actually the top rail of M5F41 was taken/inspired from beryl iirc.
Whats the practical issue with the side rail adapter system provided by Fab instead of a full top rail? Galil too have the same system.We can mount the scope on the side rail plus if there is thermals then it could be mounted on the top of handguards.Seems that both would cowitness

This is honestly a complex issue. Guns that have receivers like the AK - where you open the top cover and remove it entirely(incl. Dragunov) have this limitation.

If you want to field strip a side-mount gun then the scope will have to be removed if it's in the way of the cover and depending on the kind of mount and optic you may or may not lose Zero.

In top rail, again removing the top cover and putting it back is something you'll have to do if you want to field strip it. You will lose your scope/sight's Zero when you do that because there is 'play' involved in the components when they're removed and refitted especially on a top rail system.

One way to avoid having to remove the side-mounted optic is to have it offset so it's clear of the top cover entirely but this would cause a further problem where a right-hander and left-hander cannot use a gun setup for the other guy since it's offset in their direction. Another way is to have a high perched scope but that's not ideal to use either.

I only know of the AK200 series that has managed to make a top rail that keeps the zero after removing and reinstalling the top cover although I don't know how they did it. Not saying there aren't any others, I just don't know them if any. And I am no gun expert so I might have gotten things wrong.

 

[Killbot]

Well my skepticism towards their claims of it being indigenous on side for a second,

looks OK to me, like they provided a standard pistol grip + buttstock adapter for SVD to it thus making it possible to give it more ;Battle Rifle; like ergonomics,after that providing front handguards fastened on its default place i.e. on its barrel via those locking tabs and of course hinged top mounted rail that fastens on new pistol grip-buttstock adapter, setup doesn't seem so ideal to me for a long range sniper rifle but guess something's better than nothing, as long as they could make it stiff enough to not wobble it is fine.

Seems design is inspired from Arsenal M5F41 to me lol
View attachment 62624

BTW a sidenote,remember this pic ? probably taken at yudh abhyas or some other exercise...

View attachment 62627
^this upgrade was done by FAB guys with their pattern of pistol grip-buttstock adapter + collapsible buttstock with adjustable cheek piece and of course railed handguards (here covered by sectional rail covers)

VFR-SVD - SVD Aluminum Quad-Rail system - FAB Defense - EXPECT MORE

SVD Aluminum Quad-Rail system - VFR-SVD F.A.B. Defense | KEEP IT REAL

www.fab-defense.com

GL-CORE CP - AR15/M4 Buttstock with adjustable Cheek-Rest for Mil-Spec and Commercial Tubes - FAB Defense - EXPECT MORE

AR15/M4 Buttstock with adjustable Cheek-Rest for Mil-Spec and Commercial Tubes - GL-CORE CP F.A.B. Defense | KEEP IT REAL

www.fab-defense.com

M4 SVD - Side Folding and Collapsible Buttstock kit for SVD - FAB Defense - EXPECT MORE

Side Folding and Collapsible Buttstock kit for SVD - M4 SVD F.A.B. Defense | KEEP IT REAL

www.fab-defense.com

They were *this* near to provide us full upgrade package for SVD as well but seems they didn't bother much with top rails much else they might've got the contract who knows.

Putting rails on them is all well and good, but it means squat without optics on them. If the IA has issued a tender for this upgrade, is it reasonable to assume that they have plans for optics as well?
I'd personally like to see a 1-8x LPVO. Cheaper than sniper optics, but do the job.
@Johny_Baba

 

[arkos]

could these be from 198 Whap tender from last year?

Vehicles for UN missions are selected based on requirements set by the UN and these are shared only with companies participating in the tender. These Mahindra ALSV were selected per UN requirements not Indian Army's. We buy the vehicle, pay for maintenance and training and afterwards UN will repay the amount spent us. UN also regularly inspects the vehicles and if they are not upto the requirement then they will not repay the full amount. Same thing happened with the Malaysians where their vehicles were found to be missing RWS and UN did not pay them back the full amount.

 

[Dessert Storm]

gypsies will probably have to stay to navigate thru narrow gullies.

Jimny

New-gen Maruti Gypsy (Third-gen Jimny) Trial Production Reportedly Kicks Off In India

It is reported that Maruti Suzuki has started the trial production of the Jimny in India. It is expected that the five-door India-spec Jimny will make it to the showroom floors by next year.

indianauto.com

 

[DianaSanderson43lny]

I have been wary of usage of words “could” and “May” in news reports for a long time, they pad up a news report with one or two lines of factual information, and then peddle opinion using the words “could” “May” etc.


Anyways, FAB Defence also has a kit for SVD isn’t it?

a report from long time "May" contain information that "could" provide you positive changes in your stuffs, so you should never neglect those things.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Helmets integrated with communication devices?? Which?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...-hi-tech-helmets/amp_articleshow/59585896.cms

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

Jimny

New-gen Maruti Gypsy (Third-gen Jimny) Trial Production Reportedly Kicks Off In India

It is reported that Maruti Suzuki has started the trial production of the Jimny in India. It is expected that the five-door India-spec Jimny will make it to the showroom floors by next year.

indianauto.com

Exciting news I wish they also bring back the new Gen Nissan Patrol back to India as well.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Equipments used by basic Infantrymen of US Army in 2020
This is outrageous, most even our SFs lack!

Here are the new weapons and gear infantry troops will rock downrange in 2020

U.S. soldiers and Marines can expect to see a slew of new gear in their kits at the start of the next decade, from improved body armor to better sniper rifles and grenade launchers

taskandpurpose.com

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Head to toe: the latest advances in soldier clothing and equipment

The modern soldier has at their disposal an unprecedented amount of advanced kit designed to boost both lethality and survivability.

www.army-technology.com

 

[Suryavanshi]

Helmets integrated with communication devices?? Which?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...-hi-tech-helmets/amp_articleshow/59585896.cms

They call everything hi tech.

 

[samsaptaka]

Copying and taking inspiration are entirely two different things.Copying without IPR rights attracts copy right violations unless the ipr time period has expired.
If the posts i read are correct they are just buying from here and there and assembling guns.

Copying blindly and ripping off western designs - I am all A OK with this as long as they match the quality and ruggedness and provide our soldiers with superior equipment and saves lives. But then GoI must be ready to step in and defend the Pvt company once a lawsuit gets filed by the western company. This is where chinks have an edge, their govt does not allow such tamasha like courts !

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Helmets integrated with communication devices?? Which?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...-hi-tech-helmets/amp_articleshow/59585896.cms

This One

But so far I have seen only NAVY VBSS & Assam Rifles actually using these coms with their MKU Helmets

But RR & other IA troops aren't using these coms for unknown reasons.
If you see those vel cros, they are the ones with INT COMS.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

This One
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Does army/sf also have this?

 

[ALBY]

Copying blindly and ripping off western designs - I am all A OK with this as long as they match the quality and ruggedness and provide our soldiers with superior equipment and saves lives. But then GoI must be ready to step in and defend the Pvt company once a lawsuit gets filed by the western company. This is where chinks have an edge, their govt does not allow such tamasha like courts !

No govt with sane mind and concerned about their reputation in global trade would encourage such acts. Plus there are already many pvt players who had made JVs with foreign arms manufacturers like Punjlyoyd.

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Does army/sf also have this?

1.58 Lakh order was for the Army only with Assam Rifles & Navy having share of few thousands. Check the post again I edited it with more pictures.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

This One
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But so far I have seen only NAVY VBSS & Assam Rifles actually using these coms with their MKU Helmets

But RR & other IA troops aren't using these coms for unknown reasons.
If you see those vel cros, they are the ones with INT COMS.
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Found these as well on twitter and YouTube

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Found these as well on twitter and YouTube
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No idea about these comms.

 

[GunDeGunday]

Found these as well on twitter and YouTube
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What is that guy in the front wearing? Royal Enfield "Dug Dug Dug" Ballistic Helmet?

@Unknowncommando 2 for the same guy, which really fat looking gun is that guy holding? I can only see the wide body and muzzle device on a super short barrel.