Modernisation of Indian Army Infantry

[Doc Mozart]

I guess this is how the IA's batch of Ballistic helmets by mku will look like with the integrated comm set. Would be available for the public to see at the DefExpo 18.

 

[Mikesingh]

Govt goes Full-Throttle to make Kalashnikov Rifles in India

The government has firmed up plans with Russia to manufacture the famous Kalashnikov rifles in India for the Army, which now has changed specifications that allow AK-103 rifles to fit the bill.

ET has reliably learnt that a high level team headed by the Director General (Acquisitions) in the defence ministry and two representatives from the Ordnance Factory Board will be in Russia later this month to visit and assess the Kalashnikov facility.

The decision to send a team this month was taken following detailed discussions during defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman just-concluded visit to Russia.

India expressed urgency in taking this project forward, asking Russia to fast-track processes so that production can begin in India at the earliest. While Russia had extended the proposal last year, India could not take it forward because it did not fulfil the Army’s requirements.

The Army, however, recently put out new specifications for a 7.62 calibre for its assault rifle of which a small number of a ‘hi-tech rifles’ will be imported for its frontline troops. The remaining, which would be in large numbers, is planned to be manufactured in India.

The AK-103 is meant for the second category, which would make it a mainstay of forces in the hinterland and counter-insurgency operations. Those familiar with the details said the same rifle may be considered for paramilitary forces in the long run. The orders are expected to run into lakhs of units.

According to the arrangement with Russia, a Kalashnikov factory will be set up in India in collaboration with the OFB to cater primarily to its military needs, though there would be no bar on export.

The project will be a major image-makeover Kalashnikov rifles in India, which is better known for its deadly and efficient AK-47 variant. This rifle has been made famous by Pakistan-trained terrorists, mostly in the 1990s when they wreaked havoc on Kashmir and other parts of India, forcing upgrades within the Indian Army.

Also, the preferred calibre for counter-insurgency operations has been 5.56 mm as one of the measures to reduce fatalities from among casualties.

But with the AK-103, the default rifle option will be far more deadly. The rifle has a 500-metre range, which is exactly what the Army had specified and weighs about 3.5 kg without magazine as compared to the indigenous 5.56-mm Insas rifle which weighs a little over 4 kg. The rifle can be fitted with different sights and night-vision devices.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/Govt-goes-Full-Throttle-to-make-Kalashnikov-Rifles-in-India-547437

Aiming lasers and flashlights as well as the GP-30 single-shot grenade launcher can be affixed around the forend and under the barrel.

Guess what '103' implies?

 

[Hari Sud]

Govt goes Full-Throttle to make Kalashnikov Rifles in India

The government has firmed up plans with Russia to manufacture the famous Kalashnikov rifles in India for the Army, which now has changed specifications that allow AK-103 rifles to fit the bill.

ET has reliably learnt that a high level team headed by the Director General (Acquisitions) in the defence ministry and two representatives from the Ordnance Factory Board will be in Russia later this month to visit and assess the Kalashnikov facility.

The decision to send a team this month was taken following detailed discussions during defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman just-concluded visit to Russia.

India expressed urgency in taking this project forward, asking Russia to fast-track processes so that production can begin in India at the earliest. While Russia had extended the proposal last year, India could not take it forward because it did not fulfil the Army’s requirements.

The Army, however, recently put out new specifications for a 7.62 calibre for its assault rifle of which a small number of a ‘hi-tech rifles’ will be imported for its frontline troops. The remaining, which would be in large numbers, is planned to be manufactured in India.

The AK-103 is meant for the second category, which would make it a mainstay of forces in the hinterland and counter-insurgency operations. Those familiar with the details said the same rifle may be considered for paramilitary forces in the long run. The orders are expected to run into lakhs of units.

According to the arrangement with Russia, a Kalashnikov factory will be set up in India in collaboration with the OFB to cater primarily to its military needs, though there would be no bar on export.

The project will be a major image-makeover Kalashnikov rifles in India, which is better known for its deadly and efficient AK-47 variant. This rifle has been made famous by Pakistan-trained terrorists, mostly in the 1990s when they wreaked havoc on Kashmir and other parts of India, forcing upgrades within the Indian Army.

Also, the preferred calibre for counter-insurgency operations has been 5.56 mm as one of the measures to reduce fatalities from among casualties.

But with the AK-103, the default rifle option will be far more deadly. The rifle has a 500-metre range, which is exactly what the Army had specified and weighs about 3.5 kg without magazine as compared to the indigenous 5.56-mm Insas rifle which weighs a little over 4 kg. The rifle can be fitted with different sights and night-vision devices.

http://www.defencenews.in/article/Govt-goes-Full-Throttle-to-make-Kalashnikov-Rifles-in-India-547437

Aiming lasers and flashlights as well as the GP-30 single-shot grenade launcher can be affixed around the forend and under the barrel.

Guess what '103' implies?

Does the Indian Army like this rifle?

 

[Anikastha]

Does the Indian Army like this rifle?

By now , I have learnt many new rifles names on this thread. But didn't see any article saying ...IA selected this fcuking rifle.

 

[ezsasa]

Does the Indian Army like this rifle?

It’s a PR piece for the RM’s visit to Russia. Not every news is worth serious consideration.

 

[tharun]

We need is new armor for body which is lighter.
Here is the Composite Metal Foam which can stop upto 23mm
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2018/04/06/cmf-armor-tagainst-23mm-shells/

 

[tharun]

A steadycam rig to hold rifle........................

 

[Anikastha]

A steadycam rig to hold rifle........................

It would add more weight to operator and using this operators moves won't be much flexible without this.

 

[Khalsa_Panth]

ithout equipping our soldiers with adequate medical supplies, armory and state-of-the-art weapons how does one believe that we can match up to the levels of the armies from developed nations?

Composite Metal Foam

Problem with Metal is called Spalling where small pieces fly up into soldiers throat.
Solution is to use rubber coating but this makes it thicker, although if it is that much lighter then commerical availability could be good thing. Doubly because Steel armor can take more hits than normal Ceramic tiles.

Which developed nation do you see besides USA which does maintains army of more than few 100k?
Their costs and budget is high due to salary + pension, same with India.

It will take much higher budget maybe in 60-80$bil range like Russia had to start to get decent equipment.
What's cost of even battle-tested and combat rated tools like hammers do you know?

 

[tharun]

Problem with Metal is called Spalling where small pieces fly up into soldiers throat.
Solution is to use rubber coating but this makes it thicker, although if it is that much lighter then commerical availability could be good thing. Doubly because Steel armor can take more hits than normal Ceramic tiles.

Which developed nation do you see besides USA which does maintains army of more than few 100k?
Their costs and budget is high due to salary + pension, same with India.

It will take much higher budget maybe in 60-80$bil range like Russia had to start to get decent equipment.
What's cost of even battle-tested and combat rated tools like hammers do you know?

What message are you trying to convey?
Every one in this forum knows that metal armor needs anti spall coating to protect soldiers from splinters.

 

[Tanmay]

A steadycam rig to hold rifle........................

How does one crawl around with this

 

[Mikesingh]

How does one crawl around with this

This modification has been done basically for firing from choppers. Presently the preferred method of stabilizing a rifle to fire from the door of a chopper is to use straps or rope to support the rifle in the door. The idea in both cases is that the rifle is never hard-mounted. Not because the guy will need to dismount and take it with him, but because the bird moves in ways that are entirely unpredictable to the shooter, and this way the shooter has a kind of movement buffer between the chopper and the gun.

 

[Mikesingh]

By now , I have learnt many new rifles names on this thread. But didn't see any article saying ...IA selected this fcuking rifle.

This is supposed to be a cost effective replacement for the INSAS. The AK 103 at $3000 a pop (which will probably be sold to us for about $2000 due to the scale of purchase), is way cheaper but almost as effective as a TAR or a similar weapon that costs twice that much! And we have a mind boggling number to purchase and later manufacture in India. So one needs to keep in mind the financial implications but without sacrificing QRs.

 

[Anikastha]

This is supposed to be a cost effective replacement for the INSAS. The AK 103 at $3000 a pop (which will probably be sold to us for about $2000 due to the scale of purchase), is way cheaper but almost as effective as a TAR or a similar weapon that costs twice that much! And we have a mind boggling number to purchase and later manufacture in India. So one needs to keep in mind the financial implications but without sacrificing QRs.

So , it means desi guns are out ?
I don't see any news / updates.

 

[sthf]

The AK 103 at $3000 a pop (which will probably be sold to us for about $2000 due to the scale of purchase), is way cheaper but almost as effective as a TAR or a similar weapon that costs twice that much!

1) AK-103 doesn't costs $2000-3000. It not a new rifle but a semi upgraded AK-47. Tavor goes for ~$1800 in retail.

2) Comparision between AK-103 and TAR is an exercise in futility. Differences lie in the calibre (7.62 vs 5.56), type ( conventional vs bullpup) and role (COIN in India).

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This is nothing but a Russian lollypop for Indians to suck. There are far better options out there than a failed attempt to modernize AK. Newer and much better rifles like Galil Ace and CZ 807 comes to mind. Former is waiting for orders to go into production at Punj Lloyd, Gwalior and latter can do the same if needed.

Morons at OFB are attempting to secure their jobs after PMO threatened them. If IA selects this, I swear to god I am going to file a bloody PIL in Supreme Court.

 

[Tanmay]

1) AK-103 doesn't costs $2000-3000. It not a new rifle but a semi upgraded AK-47. Tavor goes for ~$1800 in retail.

2) Comparision between AK-103 and TAR is an exercise in futility. Differences lie in the calibre (7.62 vs 5.56), type ( conventional vs bullpup) and role (COIN in India).

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This is nothing but a Russian lollypop for Indians to suck. There are far better options out there than a failed attempt to modernize AK. Newer and much better rifles like Galil Ace and CZ 807 comes to mind. Former is waiting for orders to go into production at Punj Lloyd, Gwalior and latter can do the same if needed.

Morons at OFB are attempting to secure their jobs after PMO threatened them. If IA selects this, I swear to god I am going to file a bloody PIL in Supreme Court.

When the Russians themselves are switching to AK-12 (5.45X39) and AK-103 limited to spec-ops, we might be the biggest dumpyard for Ak-103. And no media wala will cry that it's based on 50 year old tech unlike INSAS.VP

 

[sthf]

When the Russians themselves are switching to AK-12 (5.45X39) and AK-103 limited to spec-ops, we might be the biggest dumpyard for Ak-103. And no media wala will cry that it's based on 50 year old tech unlike INSAS.VP

Russians switched to 5.45 way back in the 70s. India uses 7.62×39 in COIN because of its stopping power and because AKs are cheap and I mean really cheap. A brand new Arsenal AK costs less than half of that of an INSAS.

Indian media can't even differentiate between the orfice the food goes in and one where it comes out after digestion. Not going expect anything good from these cunts.

 

[VIP]

A steadycam rig to hold rifle........................

Ab lage hath Captain America ka shield bhi de dete.

 

[aditya10r]

Ab lage hath Captain America ka shield bhi de dete.

And Iron Man suit.

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[Mikesingh]

Morons at OFB are attempting to secure their jobs after PMO threatened them. If IA selects this, I swear to god I am going to file a bloody PIL in Supreme Court.

Count me in!! :biggrin2:

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