Missile test NOTAMs

[Immanuel]

Don't compare K project with BRAHMOS.

The whole K project along with ATV was and is black project. Whereas BRHAMOS is a JV. We are publishing pictures and video of the hit accuracy. We are openly publishing the steep dive capability and its test in open media.

So what is so secret about the extended range test? Why we have only declared a single test so far if we have carried out others too?

Well Brahmos is not a conventional weapon anymore, Brahmos-A with extended range is fully nuke capable and 42 SFC MKIs will deploy Brahmos with Nukes, hence the secrecy in some tests.

 

[Chinmoy]

Well Brahmos is not a conventional weapon anymore, Brahmos-A with extended range is fully nuke capable and 42 SFC MKIs will deploy Brahmos with Nukes, hence the secrecy in some tests.

Ehh.... Lets not start the nuke and conventional thing here as it would derail the thread further. But something from horse mouth

http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=10&sid=10

Now even if we consider it to be nuke capable, we are hearing this story from its inception onwards. Nothing new in it. Now we have tested it with any nuke warhead.

So whats so special and hush hush about its extended range test?

 

[Immanuel]

Ehh.... Lets not start the nuke and conventional thing here as it would derail the thread further. But something from horse mouth

http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=10&sid=10

Now even if we consider it to be nuke capable, we are hearing this story from its inception onwards. Nothing new in it. Now we have tested it with any nuke warhead.

So whats so special and hush hush about its extended range test?

Well Range extension is a part of the upgrade, as said, hush hush tests are also to test new conventional warhead types, new subsystems, new guidance, new terminal maneuvers as well.

 

[Chinmoy]

Well Range extension is a part of the upgrade, as said, hush hush tests are also to test new conventional warhead types, new subsystems, new guidance, new terminal maneuvers as well.

Well... All these tests could be done in the current system too. A extended range test is independent of all other tests. Even if we had incorporated the upgrades we could declare the range test without going into details about other upgrades.
As I already said earlier, Chinese are not dependent on our NOTAM or NAVREA to keep an eye on developments. If we had took out a range extension test, they would know it anyway. On top of that we are publicly announcing about all the upgrades we are or would be taking up in BRAHMOS. So in this scenario keeping a simple range extension test under wrap in illogical.

 

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[lcafanboy]

K-5 missile........

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Question for gurus:

What is the difference between A5 and K5?

 

[bose]

Question for gurus:

What is the difference between A5 and K5?

I am not a guru but my understanding is :

K5 [ K from Kalam] - Submarine lunched missile ~ 5000 KMs
A5 [ A from Agni ] - Surface to Surface missile ~ 5000 KMs

 

[Jameson Emoni]

I am not a guru but my understanding is :

K5 [ K from Kalam] - Submarine lunched missile ~ 5000 KMs
A5 [ A from Agni ] - Surface to Surface missile ~ 5000 KMs

I am aware that K5 is launched from submarines and A5 is launched from land but what are the technical differences if there are any?

 

[Babloo Singh]

I am aware that K5 is launched from submarines and A5 is launched from land but what are the technical differences if there are any?

Main difference is height & weight of K 5. A-5 started at 18 Meters and 50Ton, K 5 will be max 12M and about 20Ton. So design & efficiency improvements are done for SLBM and if they aren't too expensive or complex its implemented on ICBM's.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Main difference is height & weight of K 5. A-5 started at 18 Meters and 50Ton, K 5 will be max 12M and about 20Ton. So design & efficiency improvements are done for SLBM and if they aren't too expensive or complex its implemented on ICBM's.

Will Arihant (SSBN) need to surface in order to fire K5? Or, can it do it while submerged?

 

[Babloo Singh]

Will Arihant (SSBN) need to surface in order to fire K5? Or, can it do it while submerged?

Arihant won't fire K 5 at best it will fire K 4.
All SSBN's are supposed to fire while submerged usually from depth of 20-50 mts. Indian SSBN's will able to do it too...

 

[Chinmoy]

Question for gurus:

What is the difference between A5 and K5?

Unlike A5, K5 uses a gas generator for launch.

 

[no smoking]

K 5 will be max 12M and about 20Ton.

20 tons SLBM with range over 5000km? You are dreaming!

 

[no smoking]

I am aware that K5 is launched from submarines and A5 is launched from land but what are the technical differences if there are any?

Generally, SLBMs are far more complicated than the same class land based ICBM because
1. they are limited by the size of the submarine shell, ICBM can be as long as 20m while SLBMs must be under 14-15m;
2. Unlike ICBM, SLBM not only has to deal with air, but also the water. It is critical that SLBM must be out of water with right posture (It took all P5 quite a lot time to figure out);
3. The navigation system on SLBM is much advanced than the one on ICBM. Land based ICBM can get precise navigation information before launch while SLBM will have to re-adjust once it comes out of the water; Furthermore, ICBM is launched from a static platform while the submarine is always moving with water flow.

 

[NeXoft007]

Arihant won't fire K 5 at best it will fire K 4.
All SSBN's are supposed to fire while submerged usually from depth of 20-50 mts. Indian SSBN's will able to do it too...

Arihant and it's sisters cannot even fit K5/ K6. Coz K4 is 1.4m in diameter. K5/ K6 will have a diameter of 2.3m.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

Unlike A5, K5 uses a gas generator for launch.

Do you happen to have a link to some literature on this?

 

[Prashant12]

Four nuclear capable missiles lined up for test this month
India has lined up four indigenously developed nuclear capable missiles for tests this month.


BHUBANESWAR: India has lined up four indigenously developed nuclear-capable missiles for tests this month. The missions assume significance as the missiles to be flight tested from different platforms are capable of reaching all major cities of Pakistan.

The weapon systems slated for tests are submarine-launched long-range ballistic missile K-4, supersonic cruise missile BrahMos, intermediate-range ballistic missile Agni-II and short range ballistic missile Prithvi.

Defence sources on Sunday told The Express that K-4 has been scheduled for November 8, followed by two versions of BrahMos - surface-to-air and air-to-air - on November 11, Agni-II on November 16 and Prithvi on November 20.

While the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will conduct a developmental trial of K-4 missile with advanced navigation systems from an underwater platform off Visakhapatnam coast, Strategic Forces Command (SFC) will carry out user trials of Agni-II and air-force version of Prithvi missile off Odisha coast.

BrahMos Aerospace will test fire two rounds of the cruise system to further demonstrate the weapon’s ability for precision hit. With the two tests - one from land-based platform and another from fighter aircraft Sukhoi-30 MKI - BrahMos will be put on trial for the seventh time this year.

The missile, a joint venture of India and Russia, has undergone five successful tests including two each in May and October and one in September. The air-variant of the cruise weapon is expected to go into production after the test against sea-based target.

Though four nuclear-capable missiles being lined up for tests in one month amidst heightened tension along border sends a clear signal of the country’s strategic preparedness, a defence official tried to cover it up stating that India sticks to its ‘no first use’ doctrine.

“Preparations are on in full swing for the tests. If weather permits, the missiles will be test fired as per the schedule. The focus will be on the performance of K-4 and Agni-II as both the missiles will be put to tests with new advanced systems,” he said and added that the atmosphere in November allows better visibility to track the flight path.

Kept under wraps by the DRDO so far, K-4 is about 12 metre long with a diameter of 1.3 metre. Capable of three dimensional manoeuvres, it weighs around 17 tonne and is capable of delivering two tonne warhead up to a distance of over 3,500 km.

The underwater missile is considered a potential weapon for India as it can deceive enemy radars and target important installations deep in Pakistan from a standoff distance in the Bay of Bengal.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...les-lined-up-for-test-this-month-2056717.html

 

[ladder]

Four nuclear capable missiles lined up for test this month
India has lined up four indigenously developed nuclear capable missiles for tests this month.


BHUBANESWAR: India has lined up four indigenously developed nuclear-capable missiles for tests this month. The missions assume significance as the missiles to be flight tested from different platforms are capable of reaching all major cities of Pakistan.

The weapon systems slated for tests are submarine-launched long-range ballistic missile K-4, supersonic cruise missile BrahMos, intermediate-range ballistic missile Agni-II and short range ballistic missile Prithvi.

Defence sources on Sunday told The Express that K-4 has been scheduled for November 8, followed by two versions of BrahMos - surface-to-air and air-to-air - on November 11, Agni-II on November 16 and Prithvi on November 20.

While the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will conduct a developmental trial of K-4 missile with advanced navigation systems from an underwater platform off Visakhapatnam coast, Strategic Forces Command (SFC) will carry out user trials of Agni-II and air-force version of Prithvi missile off Odisha coast.

BrahMos Aerospace will test fire two rounds of the cruise system to further demonstrate the weapon’s ability for precision hit. With the two tests - one from land-based platform and another from fighter aircraft Sukhoi-30 MKI - BrahMos will be put on trial for the seventh time this year.

The missile, a joint venture of India and Russia, has undergone five successful tests including two each in May and October and one in September. The air-variant of the cruise weapon is expected to go into production after the test against sea-based target.

Though four nuclear-capable missiles being lined up for tests in one month amidst heightened tension along border sends a clear signal of the country’s strategic preparedness, a defence official tried to cover it up stating that India sticks to its ‘no first use’ doctrine.

“Preparations are on in full swing for the tests. If weather permits, the missiles will be test fired as per the schedule. The focus will be on the performance of K-4 and Agni-II as both the missiles will be put to tests with new advanced systems,” he said and added that the atmosphere in November allows better visibility to track the flight path.

Kept under wraps by the DRDO so far, K-4 is about 12 metre long with a diameter of 1.3 metre. Capable of three dimensional manoeuvres, it weighs around 17 tonne and is capable of delivering two tonne warhead up to a distance of over 3,500 km.

The underwater missile is considered a potential weapon for India as it can deceive enemy radars and target important installations deep in Pakistan from a standoff distance in the Bay of Bengal.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...les-lined-up-for-test-this-month-2056717.html

Keep an eye on the weather. Few low pressure are getting formed in Andaman sea. If developed into depression and move into BoB, can play a spoilsport for the scheduled tests.

 

[happylion]

Do you happen to have a link to some literature on this?

Canisterized Agni 5 also uses a low smoke gas generator