Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[Kunal Biswas]

To much over confidence ? Because you just missed most of it ..

There is too much half-knowledge regarding the advantages and disadvantages of hydropneumatic supensions.

Hydropneumatic suspensions for heavy-weight fighting vehicles have one of two problems:
- They don't perform any significant amount better than torsion bar suspensions
- They are bulky and heavy-weight

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Lets be straight to facts, Be focus on the questions asked ..

 

[Dazzler]

:: GIDS - NBC ::

nbc gear produced locally

 

[shiphone]

* that round isPOF 125mm, 460mm @2000m

* Naiza series is exclusively DU based, two versions, Naiza 1 is 550-60mm @2000m and Naiza2 does 650 mm @2000, later is not known in media. Developed by NDC and PAEC.

* ARDE produces the improved tungsten penetrator based on chinese type-2m round, penetration is 600+mm at2000m.


Pakistan Ordnance Factories

pof 125mm....

to be honest, I really doubt it...and methos's claim might me more close to the truth and reality...

450mm and 550mm.

 

[militarysta]

Wrong, BM-42 penetration is 500mm RHA @2000ms at 90degree, Sources said so, Why should you be right then ?

Outdatet value and wrong The truth is that 3Bm42 in best way can achive 460mm rha on 2000m for 90. plate.

 

[Dazzler]

to be honest, I really doubt it...and methos's claim might me more close to the truth and reality...

450mm and 550mm.

which part you have a doubt about?

 

[militarysta]

And this is value for 3BM32 "Bart" - APFSDS whit DU rod and bigger then 3Bm42 penetration
visible?

 

[militarysta]

@Kunal:

3БМ42 "Манго"

Эффективная дальность пробития:
7-слойной мишени под углом 30 град. к нормали (толщина по ходу движения 630 мм) 3300 м
7-слойной мишени под углом 60 град. к нормали (толщина по ходу движения 620 мм) 3800 м
3-слойной разнесенной мишени под углом 65 град. к нормали (толщина по ходу движения 1830 мм) 2700 м
230 мм гомогенной брони под углом 60 град. от нормали 2000 м
440 мм гомогенной брони по нормали 2000 м

 

[Dazzler]

@Kunal:

3БМ42 "Манго"

Эффективная дальность пробития:
7-слойной мишени под углом 30 град. к нормали (толщина по ходу движения 630 мм) 3300 м
7-слойной мишени под углом 60 град. к нормали (толщина по ходу движения 620 мм) 3800 м
3-слойной разнесенной мишени под углом 65 град. к нормали (толщина по ходу движения 1830 мм) 2700 м
230 мм гомогенной брони под углом 60 град. от нормали 2000 м
440 мм гомогенной брони по нормали 2000 м

Translation of militarysta's post...

Effective range of penetration:

7-layer target at an angle of 30 degrees. to the normal (thickness facing 630 mm) 3300 m

7-layer target angle of 60 degrees. to the normal (thickness facing 620 mm) 3800 m

3-layer spaced target at an angle of 65 degrees. to the normal (thickness facing 1830 mm) 2,700 m

230 mm homogeneous armor at an angle of 60 degrees. from the normal 2,000 m

440 mm homogeneous armor normal 2000m

 

[Dazzler]

to be honest, I really doubt it...and methos's claim might me more close to the truth and reality...

450mm and 550mm.

three 125mm rounds are known....

* ARDE 125mm based on Type-2m, pic is blurred so specifications are not clear, what is known is that it has "enhanced penetration".

* Naiza-1 @ 550-56033 @ 2000m

POF round with 460mm penetration @ 2000m (likely to be a bm-42 clone)

 

[Damian]

And this is value for 3BM32 "Bart" - APFSDS whit DU rod and bigger then 3Bm42 penetration
visible?

Not "Bart" but "Vant" in english or "Want" in polish... eh.

 

[militarysta]

Not "Bart" but "Vant" in english or "Want" in polish... eh.

yep my mistake :/

 

[shiphone]

three 125mm rounds are known....

.................

POF round with 460mm penetration @ 2000m (likely to be a bm-42 clone)

???
would you recheck you post please...
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and again ,to be honest, neither of the other two rounds in your post are 550mm penetration level rounds, less than 500mm penetration capacity might be more close to the fact....

I'm afraid you haven't show me some other rounds with more capacity...let's wait to see when it appeared on the web.

 

[Dazzler]

???
would you recheck you post please...
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and again ,to be honest, neither of the other two rounds in your post are 550mm penetration level rounds, less than 500mm penetration capacity might be more close to the fact....

I'm afraid you haven't show me some other rounds with more capacity...let's wait to see when it appeared on the web.

Naiza-1 is wellknown for 550mm @ 2000m since IDEAS 2002, its old news really, quick google will help.


regarding relatively new ARDE round, this pic shows "enhanced" penetration with new design, both POF 125mm and NDC Naiza-1 are in service since 2002 so anew design must have more penetration with refined metallurgy right?

poster surfaced in 2008-09 and then vanished

POF 125mm, again

 

[Dazzler]

Naiza-1 is wellknown for 550mm @ 2000m since IDEAS 2002, its old news really, quick google will help.


regarding relatively new ARDE round, this pic shows "enhanced" penetration with new design, both POF 125mm and NDC Naiza-1 are in service since 2002 so anew design must have more penetration with refined metallurgy right?

poster surfaced in 2008-09 and then vanished

 

[militarysta]

(...)

Two identifaited Pak. APFSDS rounds.

1) unkown name - China orgins:


2) "old" Naiza: (Naiza -1?)


3) "new" Du Naiza (Naiza-2 ?)

 

[Dazzler]

Two identifaited Pak. APFSDS rounds.

1) unkown name - China orgins:


2) "old" Naiza: (Naiza -1?)


3) "new" Du Naiza (Naiza-2 ?)

Both pics are of the same round i.e. POF P-12

the above round is made by Pakistan Ordnance Factories, designation is POF P-12 as i shared on previous page, penetration 460mm @ 2000m, most likely a BM-42 clone. Naiza is made by NDC not POF, range is 550m @ 2000m, ARDE 124 has more range than both rounds but remains undisclosed.

 

[shiphone]

Both pics are of the same round i.e. POF P-12

the above round is made by Pakistan Ordnance Factories, designation is POF P-12 as i shared on previous page, penetration 460mm @ 2000m, most likely a BM-42 clone[/B]. Naiza is made by NDC not POF, range is 550m @ 2000m, ARDE 124 has more range than both rounds but remains undisclosed.

??? do you know what are you talking about? once again would you confirm this question?

is this the BM42's clone?

or this one is the BM42's clone?

and in this thread...you claimed:

@militarysta

bm-42 mango with probably type-2 apfsds

 

[Dazzler]

??? do you know what are you talking about? once again would you confirm this question?

is this the BM42's clone?


and in this thread...you claimed:

nope, i said bm-42 with type-2, was meant for penetrator length comparison. POF p12 is not based on type-2, rather the ARDE one is.

 

[Dazzler]

goodness i am so repetitive...


ok, three 125mm rounds are "known" to be produced...

1. POF P-12 (perhaps bm-42 based since dimension and penetration values are virtually same @ 460mm @ 2000m)

2. Naiza 125mm DU roound, 550mm @ 2000m.... source to Naiza DU round, Acig Report 2002 ( Highlights from IDEAS 2002 )

3. ARDE 125mm round, most likely based on Chinese Type-2M verion, has been modified for enhanced range (pic above).


Thats all that is known on internet.