Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

If Tanks have to evolve, which path they should follow?

  • Light Vehicles-Best for mobility

    Votes: 25 7.3%
  • Heavy Armour-Can take heavy punishment.

    Votes: 57 16.7%
  • Modular Design-Allowing dynamic adaptions.

    Votes: 198 58.1%
  • Universal Platform-Best for logistics.

    Votes: 61 17.9%

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Armand2REP

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The Ring Laser Gyro is indigenous. So is all the software. It is a generation ahead mainly because of the software changes we made. Also, the integration is our own along with modifications on the seeker.

Armand already made fun of our targeting software which is far superior to anything France has ever made on a cruise missile.
Um... yeah. So you think your Ring Laser Gyros are better than French? Is that why half your missiles end up falling off course? Don't you get some from Israel?

We don't know how far the TERCOM system has also improved in the Army variants. If our missile can maneuver in the Himalayas at those speeds and still drop down on the target accurately, then it is already world class.
You are invited to show us footage of Brahmos dropping down on any target, especially one without a radar reflector.

Yeah. I am hoping even we are involved in the Burlak project. But I guess we are yet to know what's next.
Why would you be involved in Burlak? It is a defunct T-80 turret upgrade.
 

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Pardon me if this is a repost.

I'd like to post some pictures of Russian Tank ideas, probably that of the T-95.

The idea here is to see the advantages and disadvantages of the design envisages here.

Some of the advantages that come to mind are:
  • Low silhouette.
  • No crew in the turret.
  • Extremely sloped armour in the turret.

The disadvantages probably would be:
  • Crew right in the front. I'd rather have them at the back with the engine in the front.
  • 7+7 = 14 wheels. Some pictures depict 6+6 = 12 wheels. Assuming the former is correct, it is for low ground pressure maybe, but does it matter for tracked vehicles? It sure makes the machinery more complex.

What can India learn and incorporate from this design?











More pictures here: Russia's T-95 MBT : To enter service 'after 2010'
 
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^^ That isn't T-95. It is the Black Eagle which is a 10 year old defunct prototype from a 7 year old bankrupt company.
 

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^^ Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure myself. There seems to be a lot of speculation about what is T-95 and what is Black Eagle.

Anyways, have you any insight to offer regarding my questions?
 

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^^ Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure myself. There seems to be a lot of speculation about what is T-95 and what is Black Eagle.

Anyways, have you any insight to offer regarding my questions?
This is the T-95.

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=65&u=14098884

http://russiadefence.englishboard.net/t1368-first-photos-of-t-95-and-t-90am

The design separates from former Russian design with: high panoramic tower, large bore gun, extra set of track wheels, reduced turret with little room for modular ERA. Faulty design which is why Russia probably canceled it. The gun is too short for high velocity, the turret is too high for low observability and poor setting for ERA placement makes it a loser.
 

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This is the T-95.

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=65&u=14098884

http://russiadefence.englishboard.net/t1368-first-photos-of-t-95-and-t-90am

The design separates from former Russian design with: high panoramic tower, large bore gun, extra set of track wheels, reduced turret with little room for modular ERA. Faulty design which is why Russia probably canceled it.
Thanks.

More questions.

  • Is extra set of track wheels a boon or a bane? It makes it more complex, true, but also reduces ground pressure and probably introduces redundancy, but then I am no expert.
  • Is modular ERA necessary since there are no crew in the turret?
  • What could be the benefits of having the crew right in front?

Anybody may answer.
 

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1-st, who are "we"?
Both existing.
"Burlak" is project from Omsk (OAO KBTM). They now own the factory which they bought after it bankruptcy
. 2-nd – the so called "t-95" photos and design of which I had posted, it is failed project with uncertain future.
We as in India. Country flags mate.


Um... yeah. So you think your Ring Laser Gyros are better than French? Is that why half your missiles end up falling off course? Don't you get some from Israel?
Our most advanced missile system, Shaurya is already using an indigenous RLG system. Then we are already moving towards Fibre optic gyros and will perhaps be part of the new upgrades on the MKI by 2012. Only the old variants of missiles may carry Russia inertial navigation systems.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/jsp_...ine=RCI Nav Systems Now On Multiple Platforms

You are invited to show us footage of Brahmos dropping down on any target, especially one without a radar reflector.
The drop down test was conducted in the Himalayas only recently, so no video.

The army tests were conducted using Planar reflectors. The videos you see now are all based on the first seeker, since then the seeker has evolved many times with the most advanced seeker belonging to the Army variant.

Also you don't understand the concept of using a corner reflector very well. Corner reflectors are designed in a way so as to give out only a specific RCS. The corner reflectors may very well deflect all the waves incident on it away from the missile as well.

Why would you be involved in Burlak? It is a defunct T-80 turret upgrade.
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We will know soon enough. The Burlak turret is designed to hold the Kaktus ERA along with the T-90s composite armour.
 

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Why would you be involved in Burlak? It is a defunct T-80 turret upgrade.
It is not. It is a project of unified battle compartament ror T-90, Т-80 and so on. based on "Black Eagle".
 

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^^ That isn't T-95. It is the Black Eagle which is a 10 year old defunct prototype from a 7 year old bankrupt company.
Some people continue to tell this rumour abot "7 year old bankrupt company" the fact is the company is functional, they have military order and they are not buncrupt. Their last design is "Burlak" which was also suspended in 2009 like Object 195.
 

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Some people continue to tell this rumour abot "7 year old bankrupt company" the fact is the company is functional, they have military order and they are not buncrupt. Their last design is "Burlak" which was also suspended in 2009 like Object 195.
Omsktransmash declared bankruptcy in 2002. The design bureau was liquidated to UVZ, maker of T-72/90, in 2004. The tank production plant was liquidated to KBTM, maker of tractors, in 2007. Uraltrack bought the railcar business in 2008. In 2009, KBTM bought out the remaining facilities and runs the plant as a tractor factory.

http://omsktransmash.com/
 

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Omsktransmash declared bankruptcy in 2002. The design bureau was liquidated to UVZ, maker of T-72/90, in 2004. The tank production plant was liquidated to KBTM, maker of tractors, in 2007. Uraltrack bought the railcar business in 2008. In 2009, KBTM bought out the remaining facilities and runs the plant as a tractor factory.

http://omsktransmash.com/
So basically T-80 and the Black Eagle Tank are history now..
 

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So basically T-80 and the Black Eagle Tank are history now..
The Black Eagle was history in 2002 when the company went into bankruptcy. The T-80 was history with the tank reductions of 2009 when they opted to keep UVZ as the only tank factory left in the country and centre around T-72/90s. T-64s are halfway through the scrap process... T-80s will follow.
 

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There is a lot of speculation about companies and factories.

While my knowledge about T-80 and T-72 is not extensive, I'd like to point out that manufacturing in the USSR was based on industrial complexes. Exempli gratia, there could be a huge industrial complex, with one section of the complex manufacturing fighter planes and another section right next to it manufacturing washing machines.

Tanks were manufactured at St. Petersburg/Leningrad as well as Nizhny Tagil at complexes that not only made tanks, but also railway vehicles and other mechanical equipment which may or may not be at all related to military use.

Therefore, if one industrial complex closes down due to economic downturn, or is purchased by some company, this does not necessarily imply that any particular tank that was being researched there is closed down forever. One fact to cite would be the Ilyushin-76 family of planes are also made by Beriev under the Beriev nomenclature, simply because the design and manufacturing was relocated there. Another fact to cite here would be the MiG-29 and Sukhoi-30 fighter planes. All the aerodynamic research, design of the wings, airframe and fuselage, wind-tunnel tests were done by TsAGI, the design perfected and handed down to MiG and Sukhoi bureaux. The former built a smaller plane while the latter a larger.

Therefore, the current status of UralVagonZavod, whatever be it, does not imply that the erstwhile production from this plant will not be relocated elsewhere. We all know that Mil helicopters are built in Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant. Yet, many Mil helicopters are also built at Ulan Ude Aviation Plant. Similarly, any lorry sporting the UralAZ or Ural insignia would indicate that it was built in UralAZ factory in Miass right? Nope. It could have also been built in Haldia, West Bengal, India.

Hence fellers, take it easy with all the speculation.

A.V., if you come across this post, kindly correct me if I am wrong anywhere.
 
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Omsktransmash declared bankruptcy in 2002. The design bureau was liquidated to UVZ, maker of T-72/90, in 2004. The tank production plant was liquidated to KBTM, maker of tractors, in 2007. Uraltrack bought the railcar business in 2008. In 2009, KBTM bought out the remaining facilities and runs the plant as a tractor factory.

http://omsktransmash.com/
You have a good imagination.
And now how it is in reality - the omsk kbtm (design buerough of t-80uk, tos-1a, black eagle) bought the factory Omsktransmash.
Site of kbtm - http://kbtm.omsk.ru/
 

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KBTM вesigned unified combat compartament based on black eagle during testing in 2009 -
 

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HELLO ALL.

I am bit dumb in terms of tanks and other weapon systems but I really like to read this stuffs and like to improve my knowledge.

I am wondering why our army is still going for Russian tanks, as lots of other modern tanks are available.

As we have very good relations with Israel so we can buy Markava or German Lepord-2.

Markava is battle proven in hot weather and Germans are masters in Tank tech.

Senior member please explain my query.
 

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HELLO ALL.

I am bit dumb in terms of tanks and other weapon systems but I really like to read this stuffs and like to improve my knowledge.

I am wondering why our army is still going for Russian tanks, as lots of other modern tanks are available.

As we have very good relations with Israel so we can buy Markava or German Lepord-2.

Markava is battle proven in hot weather and Germans are masters in Tank tech.

Senior member please explain my query.
Read from page 1. You will have your answers.
 

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