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Border standoff: India seeks face-saving way to deal with China

http://southasianmonitor.com/2017/07/21/border-standoff-india-seeks-face-saving-way-deal-china/

SAM Report, July 21, 2017

A soldier stands guards at a disputed border region between China and India. Photo: Xinhua.
Although the Indian media has been creating hype over the country’s military standoff with China near the Bhutan-China-India tri-junction since middle of June, New Delhi is now studiously playing down the tensions.

Recently, Indian Defense Ministry denied reports of major Chinese troop mobilization on the border. In a statement on 19 July the ministry said there had only been a general state of alert on the Chinese side and a routine annual military exercise was held near Lhasa, the Tibetan capital, in June.

This is despite a report by People’s Daily on the same day citing “expert” opinions that China’s “recent military moves along the Sino-Indian border … have sent a strong message to India amid the two nations’ standoff.

The daily assessed that “Chinese experts believe that the actions showcased China’s strength and sent a strong signal to India. Though India has more troops scattered along the disputed area, China’s rapid deployment of troops, its powerful weaponry, and its advanced logistics support give China the edge over India.”

On 18 July, Indian Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar told a parliamentary committee on foreign affairs that diplomatic efforts were under way to end the standoff.

National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is due to travel to Beijing next week to attend a BRICS event on security issues. Doval, who reports directly to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, is also concurrently India’s special representative on border talks with China.

“It is entirely conceivable that Doval will sound out the Chinese side on some face-saving formula that ends the standoff, devolving upon pullback of Indian troops from Chinese territory,” said the Hong Kong based news site Asia Times.

However, observers pointed out that India-China relations has become adversarial and the Modi government’s foreign-policy compass of “muscular diplomacy” toward China as well as Pakistan is not happenstance.

There is an entrenched opinion within India’s strategic community that shares Defense Minister Arun Jaitley’s recent barb aimed at Beijing that today’s India is not “the India of 1962,” the Asia Times observed.

“Border incidents are increasingly triggered by India’s increasing military strength and an increasingly assertive posture on the border,” Indian military analyst Ajai Shukla was quoted by the paper as saying.

Shukla explained the paradigm shift this way: “The little-known upshot is that India’s military posture has become significantly stronger than China’s on the 3,500-kilometer Line of Actual Control. This is enhancing confrontation between the two sides.

“For decades, India maintained an insignificant military presence in Daulet Beg Oldi, in Ladakh…. But when India’s thickening troop presence blocked Chinese patrols into the area, a prolonged confrontation ensued in 2013.

According to the newspaper, Shukla’s opinion is shared silently by many within the Indian defense-policy community.

But, Modi’s dilemma lies elsewhere. “Indian strategists have a habit of spouting opinions from the ivory tower, whereas Modi is ruling an increasingly unmanageable country through choppy waters with eyes set on the 2019 elections. And the plain truth is that the Indian economy will crumble if a war is thrust upon the country.”

“Because of a clever change in the methodology of calculating gross domestic product, the Indian economy’s growth rate looks impressive, but in actuality, under the combined pressure of the recent policy moves on demonetization and goods and services tax (GST, a unified tax structure for the entire country), an economy that had already been slowing is now virtually crawling.

“The disruption has huge consequences for short-term growth. On top of it, if a war is thrust upon the country, the political economy will enter crisis zone.

Modi understands this, which explains why the standoff with China is handled at the “highest level”. As Georges Clemenceau, who served as France’s prime minister during World War I, said famously, war is too important to be left to the generals.

This is Kuala Lumpur based media and now you are intelligent enough to make your judgement

 

[mayfair]

Stop feeding the troll...will only enable him to earn his keep...

 

[Kshatriya87]

i don't know why are you so pessimistic ? and to add to that you are imaginative to say the least when you concoct info. Though this development is not a welcome one but that doesnt mean an end to the army artillery modernization program . Problem is related to the muzzle break as the rounds fired hits the break . This is quite common when it comes to the larger artillery guns with long range. same problem had been reported during bofors testing and when with isreali guns ( upgraded from 120 mm to 155mm). so chill and wait for the full reports.

He is not pessimistic. He's a paki.


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[Kshatriya87]

Chinese continuing with their Ching,Ming,Ping dynasty

According to Chinese they are the Middle Kingdom and ruled the whole world through one dynasty or the other

Oh crap, they forgot antarctica. Tell then to add that as well to the vassal states list.


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[TheHurtLocker]

Stop quoting the goat fucker.
Mods need to IED Mubarak his ass.

 

[Kshatriya87]

You know? World calls you cow piss drinker, and Blackie and coward Blackie cow piss drinker rapist army of yours are just bunch of losers who dont know how to fire a gun you idiot, your black face cow piss drinker rapist army is just bunch of cowards, rapists look

These bunch of rapist coward cow piss drinker pussy army does sucide and kill each other on simple mobile confrontation no need to kill these pigs on their soil anymore indian army rapists and cowards would kill each other
Over 100 military personnel commit suicide every year

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-suicide-every-year/articleshow/57579464.cms


Major shot dead by jawan over use of mobile phone in Kashmir's Uri



Indian Army Can Rape Women, Nobody Has The Right To Question

Terrorist Indian army Bipin rawat father was a cycle thief and this pig father was jailed and he is now army general of pussy weak hindu army

Just like terrorist butcher of Gujarat modi is ki maa ki fuddi killed 3000 Gujarat Muslims in 2002 and this terrorist is PM of E ndia

This happen only in banya terroist state called india

Former Congress MP Sandeep Dikshit on Sunday likened Army chief General Bipin Rawat to a "goon on the street"


Khalistan, Indian Occupied Kashmir, Mizuram, Tripura, Nagaland, Assam, Gujarat, Bihar so many independent freedom fighter moments would help them both overtly and covertly soon India would be divided into 100 independent countries :bounce:

GAY HIND E NDIA MURDABAD

Where is east pakistan?


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[mavles ihctep]

Seems like pakis fed up with ispr lies. Their only source of Information is indian media and dfi

 

[Kshatriya87]

RECENT E NDIAN COW PISS DRINKERS WEAK PUSSY HINDU ARMY PIGS HALLALED ON LOC

Where is east pakistan?

MANEKSHAW HU AKBAR


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[square]

Stop pissing yourself, it was one gun where the barrel burst (and that too it is likely that it was the explosive shell that caused it) in user exploitation trials i.e. testing the first production batch to its limit. To the limit means to assess how far the gun can go, how much stress can it take..this data is very important in battlefield situation.

I understand the pessimism given our track record, but I am not sure this incident merits it.

these pakistanis start jumping on every bit of news......they are vertually died waiting for war to start at dokhlam......

 

[Kshatriya87]

Maa k lodey where is Kashmir now? Soon you would loose many states like Khalistan Assam and IOK indian Occupied Kashmir to independent countries

You filhty people cant consume the truth, because its drinking too much cow urine piss and worshipping animal lords pooja makes these fool hindus dumb thats why they keep blaming and abusing those who says truth and facts

some hindus then blame a truth seeker a Paki , A Muslim or a desh drohi traitor maderchod poor beggars salo America China super powers k sath compete kertay


salo toiletless nation first build toilets your fake supa paw economy where half of million are beggars and poors without toilets and dying of huner

No dount worshipping animals like hanuman monkeys elephants makes these hindus dumb and fool drinking too quantity of cow piss

Where is east pakistan?

MODI HU AKBAR


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Sushma Swaraj is lying, India should get ready for a military confrontation: Chinese media

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...tation-chinese-media/articleshow/59698800.cms

NEW DELHI: A day after External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj's said in Parliament that "all countries are in India's support" over Doklam issue and "both sides should withdraw troops", China today called Swaraj a liar and said India should get ready for a military confrontation if it didn't withdraw troops from Doklam.

"She (Sushma Swaraj) is lying to the parliament. India's invasion of Chinese territory is a plain fact. New Delhi's impetuous action stuns the international community. No other country will support India's aggression," an op-ed piece published in Global Times said.

The article said Doklam is a "Chinese territory and Indian should withdraw its troops for any talks and China will not compromise on this stance".

It went on to the extent to warn India of a possible defeat if situation gets escalated into a military conflict.

"India's military strength is far behind that of China. If the conflict between China and India escalates to the intensity where their row has to be resolved through military means, India will surely lose," the article said.

"India should abandon the fantasy of a long-term standoff at Doklam. China has shown utmost tolerance and patience toward India. If Indian troops continue trespassing into China's territory, what Beijing may do next is to get prepared for a military confrontation against New Delhi and resolve the conflict through non-diplomatic means," it added.

The article continues its war mongering by saying, "People's Liberation Army has deployed troops near the China-India border and transported materials and supplies to the area. PLA is also reportedly conducting drills for mountain operations. These are certainly not for show."

"If New Delhi remains stubborn, India should get prepared for all possibilities from a potentially grave escalation of tension in the future," it said.

In an apparent reference to Indian media reports that India has military might to take the Chinese challenge, the op-ed piece said the comparison between India and Chinese military strength is 'extremely comical'.

"They (media) bragged that India has more troops in the area but they fail to realize that the PLA's strong capability to deploy troops can reverse the balance of power at the border within a day," it said. "China's military spending is four times that of India where its GDP volume is five times that of India. The great gap will shape the actual pattern of power balance between the two countries at the border."

"Back in 1962, India underestimated China's resolution to safeguard its territory. We hope India won't repeat this mistake," the article said.

and now china will inform us to be ready..... pathetic !!!!

 

[mavles ihctep]

As i said, we r pounding pakis since September 2016, pakis kept pin drop silence on LoC fighting, and they acted like nothing is happened in their shit forum. But when they realised we r not going to stop they panicked. pakis started watching indian news for loc situation as there is complete media ban by paki army. After that ispr released few token casualties but refused to release their names And asked their families bury their dead soldiers without funeral silently.

Pakis r desperate for India china conflict as this will give them breathing space in LoC. This is the reason they planted fake india china firing news.

 

[Bornubus]

Bloody hell. Posted in wrong thread.

Sorry bornubus ji.

I Need more sleep.

Akshay Ji this is not my thread nor my froum so chill.

 

[tharikiran]

Not a single bullet fired till now. Behind all the bravado, the hans and their media have realised..the terrain is not to their advantage.Skirmish will have consequences and long term ones too. The chinese and their media have shown almost all their cards too early. Didn't expect this at all. Especially, their articles. Loud, amateurish, crude.

It's good, development will move faster on our side and on priority. Whatever delusions about 2 front wars...is now rested for good. pakis should really worry. If Army seriously gets ready for full fledged two front war. Pakis will be taken care inside the first or second week. Gonna be whoopass.
One bullets start flying, there will dead hans and their media wont be able to hide it too.
Have you guys ever observed..even against the Japanese, these chinese media and citizens do all the loud mouth talk. They get hyper. Looks like pakis have passed on their hizdapan to the hans. All barkin and bluster...

Aane do saalon ko. We are waiting...

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Rising Hindu nationalism has hijacked India’s China policy, could lead to war: Chinese state media
Published July 20, 2017 SOURCE: Hindustan Times

Rising Hindu nationalism has hijacked Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s China policy and could lead the two countries to war, Chinese state media said on Thursday, adding a warning that it could put India’s own interests in “jeopardy”.

The latest salvo from Chinese state media — in the backdrop of an ongoing military impasse near the Sikkim border — reminded New Delhi that it is “weaker” than China in “national strength” but Indian politicians have failed to grasp that reality.

Sounding a warning, the commentary also reminded the Modi government about its failure to curb Hindu nationalistic violence against Muslims since this government came to power in 2014.

The state media article indicated the current standoff was planned and executed to cater to Hindu nationalistic sentiments.

Modi rode a wave of rising religious nationalism to power in 2014 and is now pandering to the sentiments through its “strong” policies against China and Pakistan, said the analysis published in the nationalistic tabloid, Global Times.

“The election of Indian PM Narendra Modi has fueled the country’s nationalist sentiments. Modi took advantage of rising Hindu nationalism to come to power. This, on one hand, has enhanced his prestige and ability to control the country, but on the other, has made India more subject to the influence of conservatives, thus hampering reform,” the analysis said.

“In diplomacy, New Delhi is demanded to act tougher in foreign relations, especially toward countries like Pakistan and China. The border row this time is an action targeted at China that caters to the demand of India’s religious nationalists,” the commentary said. Targetting Muslims has been part of the rising religious nationalism, it said.

“The Modi government can do nothing if religious nationalism becomes extreme, as shown in its failure to curb violent incidents against Muslims since he came to power in 2014,” the GT commentary, written by Yu Ning, said.

The source of India’s “deep strategic suspicion” of course is the 1962 war, the article said.

“Since India’s defeat in the Sino-Indian War of 1962, some Indians have been stuck in a zero-sum mentality in dealing with China. The war inflicted lingering pain on India and it became a hard knot to untie, leading to an ingrained suspicion of Chinese strategy. China’s development is seen as a misfortune to India. The faster China grows, the more fearful they are,” the commentary said.

“India harbors deep strategic suspicion toward China. It considers China as a rival and a potential enemy. For a long time, it has hyped that China is pursuing what is called the ‘String of Pearls’ to encircle India. Despite China’s goodwill in inviting India to join the Belt and Road initiative, India insists on interpreting the project as a part of China’s strategic containment and encirclement of it,” the commentary added.

China has blamed India for the ongoing Donglang (Doklam) impasse, accusing Indian soldiers of trespass and preventing Chinese soldiers from building a road in the region, which is also claimed by Bhutan.

Beijing wants India to withdraw its troops from Donglang before the two sides can open talks. New Delhi says the road, if built, will have serious security implications for India.

http://idrw.org/rising-hindu-nationalism-has-hijacked-indias-china-policy-could-lead-to-war-chinese-state-media/#more-141805 .

Could this be effect of Gaddar Traitor PAPPU meeting Chinese envoy and conveying the Hindu nationalism story?

SICKULAR Brigade now sleeping with Chinese Chipkali.........

@Kunal Biswas @airtel @sayareakd @all

china will definitely have some takers for this theory on the forum.

 

[Bullet]

You know? World calls you cow piss drinker, and Blackie and coward Blackie cow piss drinker rapist army of yours are just bunch of losers who dont know how to fire a gun you idiot, your black face cow piss drinker rapist army is just bunch of cowards, rapists look [emoji38]

These bunch of rapist coward cow piss drinker pussy army does sucide and kill each other on simple mobile confrontation no need to kill these pigs on their soil anymore indian army rapists and cowards would kill each other
Over 100 military personnel commit suicide every year

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-suicide-every-year/articleshow/57579464.cms


Major shot dead by jawan over use of mobile phone in Kashmir's Uri [emoji38]



Indian Army Can Rape Women, Nobody Has The Right To Question

Terrorist Indian army Bipin rawat father was a cycle thief and this pig father was jailed and he is now army general of pussy weak hindu army

Just like terrorist butcher of Gujarat modi is ki maa ki fuddi killed 3000 Gujarat Muslims in 2002 and this terrorist is PM of E ndia

This happen only in banya terroist state called india

Former Congress MP Sandeep Dikshit on Sunday likened Army chief General Bipin Rawat to a "goon on the street"


Khalistan, Indian Occupied Kashmir, Mizuram, Tripura, Nagaland, Assam, Gujarat, Bihar so many independent freedom fighter moments would help them both overtly and covertly soon India would be divided into 100 independent countries :bounce:

GAY HIND E NDIA MURDABAD

Ya indian army is rapist. Next they will use condoms jisse Teri jesi aulad paida na ho. [emoji23] BTW where is east pakistan????? [emoji12]

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[Kshatriya87]

Breaking: Three E ndian Rapist cowards Black cow piss drinkers pigs HALLALED CHOPPED Soldiers killed on LOC

Means 3 e ndian cowards pussy weak hindu army pigs chopped on LOC " GAY SUWAR RAM RAM SATHEY"


Now their pig ashes would enjoy poop and cow piss gaw mutar of dirty river ganga

Where is East pakistan?

SUVAR HU AKBAR


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[Suryavanshi]

Abe ye kaisa chodu he bhai, bar bar gand marane aa jata he.

@neth123 tati kha

 

[Bornubus]

RECENT E NDIAN COW PISS DRINKERS WEAK PUSSY HINDU ARMY PIGS HALLALED ON LOC

Abey o Madarchod Kali Randi ki pedaish bhen ke Lund kya Kate Lund kam pad Gaye Heera Mandi me Jo to yahan daily Apni Maa chudwane ata hai Madarchod ?


Bhen ke lode janata he ye dono kon he hain ? Ye Jakrif ke Fauji hain ex Dogra state army enke ancestors ne Teri Dadi or Nani ki Bhut Gand Mari hai or tere Baap jaise Najayaz suwar peda karke chod diye.


Ab Bhag Maa chudwa apni sala Phate Condom ke Aulad. Kala Bhangi


@Kunal Biswas
And other mods


Bhai yar kya tum log apne forum pe apne shadeon ki insult kab tak karwaoge ?

 

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Not a single bullet fired till now. Behind all the bravado, the hans and their media have realised..the terrain is not to their advantage.Skirmish will have consequences and long term ones too. The chinese and their media have shown almost all their cards too early. Didn't expect this at all. Especially, their articles. Loud, amateurish, crude.

It's good, development will move faster on our side and on priority. Whatever delusions about 2 front wars...is now rested for good. pakis should really worry. If Army seriously gets ready for full fledged two front war. Pakis will be taken care inside the first or second week. Gonna be whoopass.
One bullets start flying, there will dead hans and their media wont be able to hide it too.
Have you guys ever observed..even against the Japanese, these chinese media and citizens do all the loud mouth talk. They get hyper. Looks like pakis have passed on their hizdapan to the hans. All barkin and bluster...

Aane do saalon ko. We are waiting...

i do not think globle times has left with anything new to post......
we have given it over attention ,......i has already stop reffering them......useless !!
their articles are no better then usual posts ln social forums ......

for us it might appear new but when i search the net i found that they are publishing same type of articles against japan ,US , veitnam....