LOC, LAC & IB warfare

[Kunal Biswas]

ARDE 40mm UBGL is operational within CT forces for some years now, How old is this report .. ?

 

[Bornubus]

ARDE 40mm UBGL is operational within CT forces for some years now, How old is this report .. ?

2016 - 2017


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Various ammunition for CG Rcl

Credit @ghost

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Has to be error in report, That picture is from training center .. ?

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From recent encounter ..

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This is from 2008, SAAB ToT of 2005 does not include the barrel metallurgy which ARDE made, Almost all the component are manufacture in India, From trigger to barrel comes from various independent firms in India under contract with Government, Their manufacturing numbers are on various components are proof that things are not imported..

The RL was being manufactured by BDL and OFB as well ..

2016 - 2017


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Various ammunition for CG Rcl

Credit @ghost


View attachment 16755

 

[Butter Chicken]

Heavy shelling by Pakistan in Balakot sector

 

[mayfair]

Bajwa attempting to reclaim lost echh&dee. He'll happily sacrifice any and all Napaki fauj, so as not to be seen as anything less than a mard-e-chowmein

 

[Flame Thrower]

Heavy shelling by Pakistan in Balakot sector

We might not get better opportunity, Let's test our big guns...

 

[sthf]

Bajwa attempting to reclaim lost echh&dee. He'll happily sacrifice any and all Napaki fauj, so as not to be seen as anything less than a mard-e-chowmein

Bajwa is finding it difficult to find his place in the cult that Jahil Shareef made for himself.

 

[Bornubus]

This is from 2008, SAAB ToT of 2005 does not include the barrel metallurgy which ARDE made, Almost all the component are manufacture in India, From trigger to barrel comes from various independent firms in India under contract with Government, Their manufacturing numbers are on various components are proof that things are not imported..

The RL was being manufactured by BDL and OFB as well ..

I think this is about MK 2 variant of CG. The import screenshot above mentioned MK 3

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I see that, It contradict many things here which is incorrect ..

I think this is about MK 2 variant of CG. The import screenshot above mentioned MK 3

 

[Mikesingh]

Can't say if incendiary round is same as Thermobaric or Fuel Air explosive ammunition.

Nope! They are different.

Thermobaric munitions or FAE are those weapons that are designed to produce enhanced temperature and pressure compared to conventional explosives. They produce a much greater incidence of primary blast injury than conventional explosives.

Thermobaric munitions work by initially dispersing an aerosol cloud of gas, liquid or finely powdered explosive such as ethylene oxide, propylene oxide, ammonium nitrate, and powdered PETN and then igniting it. However, ammonium nitrate is the preferred chemical.

This cloud flows around objects and into cavities and structures. lt may penetrate small openings, such as openings in buildings, bunkers and engine bays of armored vehicles within milliseconds, before being ignited with the help of the surrounding oxygen. It sucks out all oxygen in the area and the resultant vacuum pulls loose objects into this void. It is therefore sometimes referred to as a vacuum bomb. It is known to suck air out of lungs and collapse them resulting in instantaneous and violent death to personnel in the danger area.

This weapon actually produces two blasts, the first being the dispersion of a cloud of liquid or powder explosive using a small detonating charge, and then the main explosion, when a second charge ignites the cloud, producing the actual deflagration.

But an incendiary weapon is one that is used to cause fires through heat or flame produced by the use of an incendiary substance such as napalm, thermite, magnesium and combustible hydrocarbons (including oils and thickened gasoline) and white phosphorus. Incendiary munitions are also used in flares to light up areas of interest.

Here's a vid of the Russians dropping incendiary bombs in Syria....

 

[pmaitra]

I think its preform ace is same as Arjun`s thermobaric round, Just small as this RL round is of 84mm and Arjun`s is 120mm ..

This is neither a thermobaric round, nor is this an incendiary round.

This is a High Explosive Squash Head round, or HESH. Plastic explosive hits the surface of the target and turns into a flatbread shaped explosive charge, and then explodes. The explosion happens on the outer side of the target, and spalling happens on the other side of the target. The spalling can be seen in the pictures. These rounds work best if fired from a rifle so that when the projectile spins, it does a better job of spreading the plastic explosive on impact on the surface of the target.

 

[Bornubus]

Nope! They are different.

Thermobaric munitions or FAE are those weapons that are designed to produce enhanced temperature and pressure compared to conventional explosives. They produce a much greater incidence of primary blast injury than conventional explosives.

Thermobaric munitions work by initially dispersing an aerosol cloud of gas, liquid or finely powdered explosive such as ethylene oxide, propylene oxide, ammonium nitrate, and powdered PETN and then igniting it. However, ammonium nitrate is the preferred chemical.

This cloud flows around objects and into cavities and structures. lt may penetrate small openings, such as openings in buildings, bunkers and engine bays of armored vehicles within milliseconds, before being ignited with the help of the surrounding oxygen. It sucks out all oxygen in the area and the resultant vacuum pulls loose objects into this void. It is therefore sometimes referred to as a vacuum bomb. It is known to suck air out of lungs and collapse them resulting in instantaneous and violent death to personnel in the danger area.

This weapon actually produces two blasts, the first being the dispersion of a cloud of liquid or powder explosive using a small detonating charge, and then the main explosion, when a second charge ignites the cloud, producing the actual deflagration.

But an incendiary weapon is one that is used to cause fires through heat or flame produced by the use of an incendiary substance such as napalm, thermite, magnesium and combustible hydrocarbons (including oils and thickened gasoline) and white phosphorus. Incendiary munitions are also used in flares to light up areas of interest.

Here's a vid of the Russians dropping incendiary bombs in Syria....

Russians have truly pioneered the use of Thermobaric weapons whereas US was the first nation to use Incendiary weaponswith great effect during Vietnam war.

Two different type of weapon.



During Chechen/ Dagestan conflict a Single Russian Helicopter created the terror of an entire Bomber Aircraft Squadron ! just because it used Thermobaric weapon compared with the conventional weapon or incendiary munition by Bombers



That village was known as Tando and that effect now known as "Tando effect"


Now they have developed a range of TB weapons both shoulder fired (including RPG) and MLRS such as TOS 1 "Buratino"



It was due to this reason that Indian military procured Thermobaric weapons from Russia and used it in Kargil and LoC skirmishes before the cease fire of 2003

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In Indian context one of the pioneers of using Thermobaric weapons (RPO A) against Regular Pak Army during LoC fire Assault is Lt Gen H S Panag


He was personally very keen to use it against Pak Army and to see the effect against Pak Bunkers that's why he order it to fire against them even though Indian troops were afraid of using it due to its poor "reliability"

 

[Mikesingh]

Bajwa is finding it difficult to find his place in the cult that Jahil Shareef made for himself.

And is getting screwed in the process! :biggrin2:

 

[indiatester]

PA seems to be giving some sort of response. I wonder what IA has planned for this
More ceasefire violations in last 3 days and more terror attacks.

 

[mayfair]

TSPA are probing the IA. The aim is to ease the pressure on their proxies in the valley.

I will also not discount them from shelling the areas in Kashmir. They are well aware that their propagandists will try and shift the blame on GoI and IA for "escalating" the situation and bringing "suffering and misery" on "poor Kashmiris"

 

[Mikesingh]

It was due to this reason that Indian military procured Thermobaric weapons from Russia and used it in Kargil and LoC skirmishes before the cease fire of 2003

In Indian context one of the pioneers of using Thermobaric weapons (RPO A) against Regular Pak Army during LoC fire Assault is Lt Gen H S Panag

And used the Russian Schmel RPO A too in the surgical strike like this one....

 

[Krusty]

Nope! They are different.

Thermobaric munitions or FAE are those weapons that are designed to produce enhanced temperature and pressure compared to conventional explosives. They produce a much greater incidence of primary blast injury than conventional explosives.

Thermobaric munitions work by initially dispersing an aerosol cloud of gas, liquid or finely powdered explosive such as ethylene oxide, propylene oxide, ammonium nitrate, and powdered PETN and then igniting it. However, ammonium nitrate is the preferred chemical.

This cloud flows around objects and into cavities and structures. lt may penetrate small openings, such as openings in buildings, bunkers and engine bays of armored vehicles within milliseconds, before being ignited with the help of the surrounding oxygen. It sucks out all oxygen in the area and the resultant vacuum pulls loose objects into this void. It is therefore sometimes referred to as a vacuum bomb. It is known to suck air out of lungs and collapse them resulting in instantaneous and violent death to personnel in the danger area.

This weapon actually produces two blasts, the first being the dispersion of a cloud of liquid or powder explosive using a small detonating charge, and then the main explosion, when a second charge ignites the cloud, producing the actual deflagration.

But an incendiary weapon is one that is used to cause fires through heat or flame produced by the use of an incendiary substance such as napalm, thermite, magnesium and combustible hydrocarbons (including oils and thickened gasoline) and white phosphorus. Incendiary munitions are also used in flares to light up areas of interest.

Here's a vid of the Russians dropping incendiary bombs in Syria....

Thermos- heat + baros- pressure-> thermobaric

Notice cloud formation before burst that is what primarily sucks up the surrounding oxygen


incendere - set fire to -> incendiary .

It literally sets things on fire. White phosphorus burns Literally the skin and flesh off the bones in minutes. It is hard to stop the effect once a person in in contact with it. As the WP has to be removed physically (without the medic touching it) and regular water is of little to no use. The allotropic form that is used will spontaneously combust in contact with oxygen at 30deg. But is useless against networks of tunnels in caves.

 

[aditya g]

Great posts above.

In all recent pictures of Pak loc posts, I observe they are heavily built up like small fortresses (shows paki defensive mindset).

There are concrete walls and stone burst walls as well with at least 2 stories

Is infantry units sufficiently equipped to take these on?

Current equipment is:

84mm RL
81mm mortar
Milan atgm
Konkurs atgm

And where suits 40mm and 120mm mortars thanks to arty corps.

 

[NeXoft007]

Poor SSG Commandos never returned from Tatapani (opposite of Poonch) on June 4.
Maybe that's why Pakistan DGMO called our Indian DGMO the next day? Interesting thing is there was no ceasefire violation that day.

 

[mayfair]

^Pray for SSG commandos? No bravado or braggadocio? None of "our brave SSG are raining fire and brimstone on kaafirs" "on the mission to destroy the enemies"?

Dejected and fearful is the tone of this post and I can imagine the the Pansari wetting his eyes and pants as he typed this.

Or was he referring to the BATs going on a one-way trip to hell?

Napaki echh&dee has taken a huge hit in the past one month.