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Every movement will try to form an alliance,what if communists in jungle started their own theater and somehow ISIS spawns up? It would be a diwali coming early.
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14th Aug
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-china-to-join-indian-ocean-exercise/article19486761.ece
India, China to join Indian Ocean exercise
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-china-to-join-indian-ocean-exercise/article19486761.ece
India, China to join Indian Ocean exercise
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So now the stronger than mountain Shupa Powa Chini have come down to stone pelting.
Seems like they forgot how to fire a bullet since they didn't fight a war for decades.
They have admitted defeat already.What a loser.
Seems like they forgot how to fire a bullet since they didn't fight a war for decades.
They have admitted defeat already.What a loser.
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It's normal to get angry at India trying to be friends with and parleying with China and Pakistan when we are being threatened by them. But remember former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's words "You can change your friends but you can't change your neighbors". Warfare is executed on many levels other than physical. Chanakya and Tsun Tzu were both supporters of soft powers and winning wars without shedding blood. If these small attempts at making peace make even one scholar in a chinese think tank to have second thoughts, or reduces the blind hatred of even one pakistani citizen towards India a little bit, that in one millimeter of the effort that goes in our favour.
I remember a youtube video from around 2010 about a pakistani news report of how rural kids knew more about the geeta than quran and were familiar with typical Indian customs because their parents watched too much Indian soap opera. China and Pakistan are going nowhere, neither are our Armies and people. We are in this for the long haul, so might as well try to make it favourable for us in whatever way possible. The greatest victory against an enemy is when you turn that enemy into a friend. It might takes years, decades, centuries even, but one needs to have the perspective for that. Nobody would look at Britain and France of today and think they were bitter enemies hundreds of years ago.
As long as we have enough stones to throw back for each one that is thrown at us, we can think about how to stop the stone throwing once and for all.
I remember a youtube video from around 2010 about a pakistani news report of how rural kids knew more about the geeta than quran and were familiar with typical Indian customs because their parents watched too much Indian soap opera. China and Pakistan are going nowhere, neither are our Armies and people. We are in this for the long haul, so might as well try to make it favourable for us in whatever way possible. The greatest victory against an enemy is when you turn that enemy into a friend. It might takes years, decades, centuries even, but one needs to have the perspective for that. Nobody would look at Britain and France of today and think they were bitter enemies hundreds of years ago.
As long as we have enough stones to throw back for each one that is thrown at us, we can think about how to stop the stone throwing once and for all.
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Two of them were shot down because they flew too close to the peaks where the tangos were perched with Stingers in tow. This was an easy duck shot. The distance was not so much. No stingers flew from the ground on the Napakii side.
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Many of the devices transmit, or store, data back into Chinese servers, which could pose a security risk. Also, online transactions using many of these devices and platforms can be tracked back to Chinese servers, which can create security issues for the country at a time of heightened tension on the border," one source said
https://www.google.co.in/amp/m.time...ports-from-china/amp_articleshow/60078128.cms
https://www.google.co.in/amp/m.time...ports-from-china/amp_articleshow/60078128.cms
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Indian Chinese Troops Stone Each Other In Ladakh
Indian and Chinese soldiers pelted stones at each other at Ladakh in the western sector on Tuesday , in yet another incident along the line of actual control (LAC) even as the tense troop standoff in Doklam area in the eastern sector continued.
Sources said the confrontation between the soldiers took place on the north bank of the famous Pangong Tso (Tso means lake) in eastern Ladakh early on Tuesday . Two-thirds of the lake is controlled by China as it extends from Tibet to India.
“There was a scuffle between the two sides, which included some stone-pelting, after Indian soldiers blocked two attempts by People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops to enter Indian ter ritory at Finger-4 and Finger-5 areas early in the morning,“ said a source here.
“Personnel from both sides received some injuries in the stone-pelting. The rival troops later pulled back from the confrontation site after banner drills to defuse the situation,“ he added.
But the Army , on being contacted, refused to say anything once again. The PLA soldiers continue to needle Indian forces in all the three sectors of the 4,057-km LAC -western (Ladakh), middle (Uttarakhand, Himachal) and eastern (Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh) -in the backdrop of both sides having militarily reinforced their positions due to the Doklam standoff near the Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction, as reported by TOI earlier.
Late last month, 10-15 PLA soldiers had “transgressed“ almost one km into a disputed pocket -a mutually agreed “demilitarized zone“ -at Barahoti in the Chamoli district of Uttarakhand, twice in quick succession.
Eastern Ladakh, in particular, has emerged as a major flashpoint between the two armies, especially in the areas of Chumarr, Depsang and Pangong Tso, over the last several years.
Located at an altitude of 13,900-feet across the Changla Pass, Pangong Tso is a 134-km long brackish lake in which both armies have also deployed armed boats against each other. There are boat, motorised and foot-patrol transgressions on a regular basis in the area.
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/...-to-Indian-Chinese-troop-clash-16082017001045
It seems the Chinese have started copying the Pak tactics of stone throwing!! These buggers have got too big for their boots.
There's more related news.....
Govt begins review of Chinese products
The government has begun a review of the massive import of electronics and information technology products from China due to concerns about security and data leakages. There has been a growing clamour for import restrictions and other curbs on such products.
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/...ins-review-of-Chinese-products-16082017001019
The trade war seems to have begun at last! We need to considerably lower the Chinese trade surplus with us which stands at $50 billion, most of which the Chinese are using to fund the CPEC!! What an irony!
Indian and Chinese soldiers pelted stones at each other at Ladakh in the western sector on Tuesday , in yet another incident along the line of actual control (LAC) even as the tense troop standoff in Doklam area in the eastern sector continued.
Sources said the confrontation between the soldiers took place on the north bank of the famous Pangong Tso (Tso means lake) in eastern Ladakh early on Tuesday . Two-thirds of the lake is controlled by China as it extends from Tibet to India.
“There was a scuffle between the two sides, which included some stone-pelting, after Indian soldiers blocked two attempts by People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops to enter Indian ter ritory at Finger-4 and Finger-5 areas early in the morning,“ said a source here.
“Personnel from both sides received some injuries in the stone-pelting. The rival troops later pulled back from the confrontation site after banner drills to defuse the situation,“ he added.
But the Army , on being contacted, refused to say anything once again. The PLA soldiers continue to needle Indian forces in all the three sectors of the 4,057-km LAC -western (Ladakh), middle (Uttarakhand, Himachal) and eastern (Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh) -in the backdrop of both sides having militarily reinforced their positions due to the Doklam standoff near the Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction, as reported by TOI earlier.
Late last month, 10-15 PLA soldiers had “transgressed“ almost one km into a disputed pocket -a mutually agreed “demilitarized zone“ -at Barahoti in the Chamoli district of Uttarakhand, twice in quick succession.
Eastern Ladakh, in particular, has emerged as a major flashpoint between the two armies, especially in the areas of Chumarr, Depsang and Pangong Tso, over the last several years.
Located at an altitude of 13,900-feet across the Changla Pass, Pangong Tso is a 134-km long brackish lake in which both armies have also deployed armed boats against each other. There are boat, motorised and foot-patrol transgressions on a regular basis in the area.
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/...-to-Indian-Chinese-troop-clash-16082017001045
It seems the Chinese have started copying the Pak tactics of stone throwing!! These buggers have got too big for their boots.
There's more related news.....
Govt begins review of Chinese products
The government has begun a review of the massive import of electronics and information technology products from China due to concerns about security and data leakages. There has been a growing clamour for import restrictions and other curbs on such products.
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/...ins-review-of-Chinese-products-16082017001019
The trade war seems to have begun at last! We need to considerably lower the Chinese trade surplus with us which stands at $50 billion, most of which the Chinese are using to fund the CPEC!! What an irony!
Why not make it 10 million??
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presently there are 4 brahmos regiments , each with 72 missies....
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Those 72 missiles are ready to fire. We don't know how many exact are in storage.
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They are creating there own destruction..................
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LOOK AT This 2 BIT JOURNALISM... SO MUCH FOR BEING NEUTRAL.... ANOTHER RAMPANT ANTI-INDIA RANT..... THIS IS THE WORSE KIND OF NEWS PIECE AS IT CLAIMS TO BE NEUTRAL ON FIRST GLANCE BUT IT HAS CHINA BIAS AND ANTI INDIA BIAS>>> ...
Squeezed by an India-China Standoff, Bhutan Holds Its Breath Published August 16, 2017 SOURCE: NYTIMES India’s main garrison in the Kingdom of Bhutan sits only 13 miles from a disputed border with China. There is a training academy, a military hospital, a golf course — all testament to India’s enduring role defending this tiny Himalayan nation. Earlier this summer, China began extending an unpaved road in the disputed territory, and India sent troops and equipment to block the work. The incursion has resulted in a tense standoff that has lasted more than 50 days, with Indian soldiers facing Chinese troops who have dug in just a few hundred yards away. At a time when North Korea and the United States are trading threats of war, China and India — the world’s two most populous nations — have engaged in increasingly bellicose exchanges over this remote border dispute, evoking memories of their bloody conflict in 1962 as the world’s attention was focused on the Cuban missile crisis. There are fears that ambition and nationalism could lead them to war again, but now with more firepower at their disposal.Caught between these two nuclear rivals seeking regional dominance is Bhutan, a mountain nation of 800,000 with a mystical reputation and a former king who popularized the concept of “gross national happiness” as a measure of a country’s well-being. India says it is acting on Bhutan’s behalf in the standoff. But its intervention has not resulted in much gratitude here. On the contrary, many in Bhutan feel that India’s protective embrace has become suffocating. “In the case of war between India and China, we would be the meat in the sandwich,” said Pema Gyamtsho, a leader of the opposition party in Bhutan’s National Assembly. “It shouldn’t have to be a choice,” he added, referring to his nation’s ties with India and China, “but it is at the moment.” For decades, Bhutan has chosen India. More than a half century ago, Bhutan watched warily as China’s Communists took power and eventually occupied neighboring Tibet, with which it has close ethnic, cultural and religious ties. India offered to defend the kingdom, and Bhutan accepted. But the latest standoff has inflamed festering resentments over India’s influence in the country. In particular, many suspect that India has sought to block Bhutan’s efforts to establish diplomatic relations and expand trade with Beijing, fearing that a rapprochement could remove the strategic buffer that Bhutan provides. “Bhutan has every right to its sovereignty; that’s the crux of the thing,” said Wangcha Sangey, a former publisher and head of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry, who has been one of the most outspoken critics of India’s interference. “We have the right to live the way we want to live and to have the foreign relations we want to have.” On the surface, the dispute turns on 34 square miles of land claimed by both Bhutan and China. India has accused China of extending the road to expand its control of the territory, with some comparing the move to Beijing’s efforts to cement its claims in the South China Sea by transforming reefs into islands. The disputed area is strategically significant because it slopes into a narrow Indian valley that connects central India to its landlocked northeastern states. India calls it the Chicken’s Neck and has long feared that China could seize it in a war, splitting its territory. But when India ordered its troops across the border on June 16, it seemed to do so without a request from Bhutan. While Bhutan has condemned the Chinese road work, it has studiously avoided saying whether it asked India to intervene. The Indian government has also avoided the question. China has been talking tough, with near-daily warnings against India. Commodore Liu Tang, a deputy commander of the South China Sea Fleet, warned last week in The People’s Liberation Army Daily that China’s restraint thus far was “not without a bottom line.” The headline declared, “China’s territory is large, but not an inch of land is redundant.” India has put more troops on alert in recent days, suggesting that it, too, is not prepared to back down. In Haa, a small village an arduous day’s hike from where the troops are squaring off, the dispute is like distant thunder, a warning of storms that may come but are not yet anything to worry about. The standoff does not, so far, involve Bhutanese forces, and state television and even the independent news media have followed the government’s lead and said virtually nothing about the conflict. One resident of Haa said that a relative had happened on Chinese soldiers digging trenches while he herded his yak along the border. But the authorities have since closed the foot trails to the disputed area. That has shut down an informal shuttle trade with Tibetan towns on the Chinese side of the border. For years traders have traveled back and forth on foot or horseback, selling cordyceps — known as Himalayan Viagra — and other medicinal herbs from Bhutan. They return with electronic goods, carpets, silks and clothing. In a country where per capita economic output — not the happiness index — reached a high of $2,751 last year, the trade has become a livelihood along the border. Nima Dorji, a shopkeeper in Haa, said he had not received any shipments since the border routes were closed, and worried that he might have to look elsewhere to restock. “We do not talk much about it,” he said. “It is very sensitive.” Bhutanese officials have maintained a pointed silence, preferring ambiguity to the risk of offending either India or China. The Foreign Ministry did not respond to requests for comment; nor did the prime minister, Tshering Tobgay. The foreign minister, Damcho Dorji, said on Friday that he hoped the situation would be resolved “peacefully and amicably.” Many interviewed in Bhutan expressed more concern about India’s actions than China’s. Some note that one effect of India’s move — intended or not — has been to undermine border negotiations with China that could have cleared the way for closer economic ties. There are four border areas in dispute: two in the north and two in the west, including the place where the standoff has unfolded. In 1998, China proposed ceding the northern areas to Bhutan in exchange for the western ones. And while Bhutan agreed in principle, a final agreement has not been reached. After the latest round of talks in Beijing last year, the two sides seemed to be nearing a consensus, though prospects for a new round now seem uncertain. Since signing a friendship treaty with India in 1949, Bhutan has relied almost exclusively on India for its defense. To this day India trains and pays the salaries of the Royal Bhutan Army, while its engineering corps builds and maintains Bhutan’s hairpin mountain roads. The exact number is not public, but India usually keeps 300 to 400 troops in Bhutan. The relationship has evolved along with the country itself, and as fears that Bhutan could be subsumed by China have faded. In 2006, Bhutan’s revered fourth king, Jigme Singye Wangchuck, abdicated after overseeing a democratic transition that culminated in elections for a national assembly in 2008 and 2013. The advent of parliamentary politics has generated increased debate about further opening a country that did not allow television until 1999. And after decades of tilting almost exclusively south, Bhutan has begun looking north to China. In 2012, the prime minister at the time met with his Chinese counterpart at a Group of 20 summit meeting in Rio de Janeiro. Not long afterward, India cut subsidies to Bhutan for cooking oil and kerosene. The move was widely seen as retaliation, and the ruling party in Bhutan lost the next election. Part of the lure of better relations with China is money. In addition to the shuttle trade, there is tourism, one of Bhutan’s biggest industries. Indians do not need visas to travel to Bhutan, but Chinese must pay $250 a day in advance for vacation packages. Still, for the first time last year, more visitors came from China than from any other country besides India. Chinese fascination with Bhutan bloomed after one of Hong Kong’s biggest movie stars, Tony Leung, married the actress Carina Lau here in 2008. The wedding three years later of the current king, Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck, also stoked interest after footage of it went viral in China. Pema Tashi, who manages Happiness Kingdom Travel and advertises “a sojourn in paradise,” caters to Chinese clients with eight guides who speak Mandarin. He complained that there were no direct flights between Bhutan and China, and expressed suspicion that India had worked to prevent a normalization of relations that would open up such routes. “We try to protect the interest of our big brother,” he said, referring to India, “but they feel that if we get closer to the north, we might not be as dependent on them."
Squeezed by an India-China Standoff, Bhutan Holds Its Breath Published August 16, 2017 SOURCE: NYTIMES India’s main garrison in the Kingdom of Bhutan sits only 13 miles from a disputed border with China. There is a training academy, a military hospital, a golf course — all testament to India’s enduring role defending this tiny Himalayan nation. Earlier this summer, China began extending an unpaved road in the disputed territory, and India sent troops and equipment to block the work. The incursion has resulted in a tense standoff that has lasted more than 50 days, with Indian soldiers facing Chinese troops who have dug in just a few hundred yards away. At a time when North Korea and the United States are trading threats of war, China and India — the world’s two most populous nations — have engaged in increasingly bellicose exchanges over this remote border dispute, evoking memories of their bloody conflict in 1962 as the world’s attention was focused on the Cuban missile crisis. There are fears that ambition and nationalism could lead them to war again, but now with more firepower at their disposal.Caught between these two nuclear rivals seeking regional dominance is Bhutan, a mountain nation of 800,000 with a mystical reputation and a former king who popularized the concept of “gross national happiness” as a measure of a country’s well-being. India says it is acting on Bhutan’s behalf in the standoff. But its intervention has not resulted in much gratitude here. On the contrary, many in Bhutan feel that India’s protective embrace has become suffocating. “In the case of war between India and China, we would be the meat in the sandwich,” said Pema Gyamtsho, a leader of the opposition party in Bhutan’s National Assembly. “It shouldn’t have to be a choice,” he added, referring to his nation’s ties with India and China, “but it is at the moment.” For decades, Bhutan has chosen India. More than a half century ago, Bhutan watched warily as China’s Communists took power and eventually occupied neighboring Tibet, with which it has close ethnic, cultural and religious ties. India offered to defend the kingdom, and Bhutan accepted. But the latest standoff has inflamed festering resentments over India’s influence in the country. In particular, many suspect that India has sought to block Bhutan’s efforts to establish diplomatic relations and expand trade with Beijing, fearing that a rapprochement could remove the strategic buffer that Bhutan provides. “Bhutan has every right to its sovereignty; that’s the crux of the thing,” said Wangcha Sangey, a former publisher and head of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry, who has been one of the most outspoken critics of India’s interference. “We have the right to live the way we want to live and to have the foreign relations we want to have.” On the surface, the dispute turns on 34 square miles of land claimed by both Bhutan and China. India has accused China of extending the road to expand its control of the territory, with some comparing the move to Beijing’s efforts to cement its claims in the South China Sea by transforming reefs into islands. The disputed area is strategically significant because it slopes into a narrow Indian valley that connects central India to its landlocked northeastern states. India calls it the Chicken’s Neck and has long feared that China could seize it in a war, splitting its territory. But when India ordered its troops across the border on June 16, it seemed to do so without a request from Bhutan. While Bhutan has condemned the Chinese road work, it has studiously avoided saying whether it asked India to intervene. The Indian government has also avoided the question. China has been talking tough, with near-daily warnings against India. Commodore Liu Tang, a deputy commander of the South China Sea Fleet, warned last week in The People’s Liberation Army Daily that China’s restraint thus far was “not without a bottom line.” The headline declared, “China’s territory is large, but not an inch of land is redundant.” India has put more troops on alert in recent days, suggesting that it, too, is not prepared to back down. In Haa, a small village an arduous day’s hike from where the troops are squaring off, the dispute is like distant thunder, a warning of storms that may come but are not yet anything to worry about. The standoff does not, so far, involve Bhutanese forces, and state television and even the independent news media have followed the government’s lead and said virtually nothing about the conflict. One resident of Haa said that a relative had happened on Chinese soldiers digging trenches while he herded his yak along the border. But the authorities have since closed the foot trails to the disputed area. That has shut down an informal shuttle trade with Tibetan towns on the Chinese side of the border. For years traders have traveled back and forth on foot or horseback, selling cordyceps — known as Himalayan Viagra — and other medicinal herbs from Bhutan. They return with electronic goods, carpets, silks and clothing. In a country where per capita economic output — not the happiness index — reached a high of $2,751 last year, the trade has become a livelihood along the border. Nima Dorji, a shopkeeper in Haa, said he had not received any shipments since the border routes were closed, and worried that he might have to look elsewhere to restock. “We do not talk much about it,” he said. “It is very sensitive.” Bhutanese officials have maintained a pointed silence, preferring ambiguity to the risk of offending either India or China. The Foreign Ministry did not respond to requests for comment; nor did the prime minister, Tshering Tobgay. The foreign minister, Damcho Dorji, said on Friday that he hoped the situation would be resolved “peacefully and amicably.” Many interviewed in Bhutan expressed more concern about India’s actions than China’s. Some note that one effect of India’s move — intended or not — has been to undermine border negotiations with China that could have cleared the way for closer economic ties. There are four border areas in dispute: two in the north and two in the west, including the place where the standoff has unfolded. In 1998, China proposed ceding the northern areas to Bhutan in exchange for the western ones. And while Bhutan agreed in principle, a final agreement has not been reached. After the latest round of talks in Beijing last year, the two sides seemed to be nearing a consensus, though prospects for a new round now seem uncertain. Since signing a friendship treaty with India in 1949, Bhutan has relied almost exclusively on India for its defense. To this day India trains and pays the salaries of the Royal Bhutan Army, while its engineering corps builds and maintains Bhutan’s hairpin mountain roads. The exact number is not public, but India usually keeps 300 to 400 troops in Bhutan. The relationship has evolved along with the country itself, and as fears that Bhutan could be subsumed by China have faded. In 2006, Bhutan’s revered fourth king, Jigme Singye Wangchuck, abdicated after overseeing a democratic transition that culminated in elections for a national assembly in 2008 and 2013. The advent of parliamentary politics has generated increased debate about further opening a country that did not allow television until 1999. And after decades of tilting almost exclusively south, Bhutan has begun looking north to China. In 2012, the prime minister at the time met with his Chinese counterpart at a Group of 20 summit meeting in Rio de Janeiro. Not long afterward, India cut subsidies to Bhutan for cooking oil and kerosene. The move was widely seen as retaliation, and the ruling party in Bhutan lost the next election. Part of the lure of better relations with China is money. In addition to the shuttle trade, there is tourism, one of Bhutan’s biggest industries. Indians do not need visas to travel to Bhutan, but Chinese must pay $250 a day in advance for vacation packages. Still, for the first time last year, more visitors came from China than from any other country besides India. Chinese fascination with Bhutan bloomed after one of Hong Kong’s biggest movie stars, Tony Leung, married the actress Carina Lau here in 2008. The wedding three years later of the current king, Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck, also stoked interest after footage of it went viral in China. Pema Tashi, who manages Happiness Kingdom Travel and advertises “a sojourn in paradise,” caters to Chinese clients with eight guides who speak Mandarin. He complained that there were no direct flights between Bhutan and China, and expressed suspicion that India had worked to prevent a normalization of relations that would open up such routes. “We try to protect the interest of our big brother,” he said, referring to India, “but they feel that if we get closer to the north, we might not be as dependent on them."
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Dumb retrad still high on Aman ki asha like her master
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I like her mostly, I think she is one of the few ministers who actually earns her salary and works hard. But this is disappointing.
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Can you please provide the source
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