Light tanks for Indian Army

[mist_consecutive]

The question we should be asking is why can’t we create an indigenous engine ? What tf is Tata, Mahindra and AL doing ?

 

[abingdonboy]

AFAIK german engine is out, because they were arm twisting on price... New Cummins engine with 1000HP

It’s confirmed the German MTU engine is is out Cumins is in, of course this is going to lead to a substantial delay for re-design and integration (not to mention contract talks and deliveries of the engines themselves)

Entire project is 1-2 years delayed before it’s even started, project management must be the easiest job in MoD, being paid to do nothing

 

[standard snowball]

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1782003

Ashok Leyland partners with CVRDE to develop 600hp engine - ET Auto

600 Hp Engine: The engine will be tested rigorously in the lab and will be qualified for application in tanks. Ashok Leyland will undertake series production of the engine after its induction into service, the company said.

auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Ashok Leyland to develop 600hp engine for combat vehicles

The 600hp engine will undergo testing in lab and will be qualified for application in tanks

www.livemint.com

What happened to this engine.

 

[standard snowball]

Are we developing a brand new indigenous chassis for this light tank program ya phir wo bhi imported hi hai.

 

[abingdonboy]

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1782003

Ashok Leyland partners with CVRDE to develop 600hp engine - ET Auto

600 Hp Engine: The engine will be tested rigorously in the lab and will be qualified for application in tanks. Ashok Leyland will undertake series production of the engine after its induction into service, the company said.

auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Ashok Leyland to develop 600hp engine for combat vehicles

The 600hp engine will undergo testing in lab and will be qualified for application in tanks

www.livemint.com

What happened to this engine.

They want 1000+ HP

either way it’s shocking that Indian OEMs have invested so little in their engines and now with ICE being phased out in the PV sector it’s highly unlikely any of them are going to invest deeply in this tech so india will forever be dependant on foreign solutions for these applications at least

 

[standard snowball]

They want 1000+ HP

either way it’s shocking that Indian OEMs have invested so little in their engines and now with ICE being phased out in the PV sector it’s highly unlikely any of them are going to invest deeply in this tech so india will forever be dependant on foreign solutions for these applications at least

Is it really that hard to go from 650hp to 100hp, also in my opinion heavy duty IC engines aren't going anywhere for atleast the next 2 decades.
Show me a functional electric truck and then we will talk about IC engines going obsolete.

 

[omaebakabaka]

it’s shocking that Indian OEMs have invested so little in their engine

thats because most of the idiots inherited from their daddy or grand daddy....its not like there are pioneers that started something that is hard engineering. One other thread one of the user was bragging about 5t GDP and so on....without qualitative development beyond some steel manufacturing that is exported based on price and other things than speciality that is patented, growth in gdp means shit. India has 3rd class thinkers and its not going to change.....that is why don't fall too low and don't let foreigners rule over you. Entire indigenous thinking is gone, most engines are localized copies at best.

ISRO and few other bright areas do exist...

 

[SUPERPOWER]

PROJECT ZORAWAR DELAYED.

Why we need a Cummins or GTU engine when our DRDO uncles and aunties have already developed 1000 HP engine.

Project Zorawar: MTU Couldn’t Deliver engines, Cummins engine to power India’s Light Battle Tank Program – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

PROJECT ZORAWAR DELAYED.

Why we need a Cummins or GTU engine when our DRDO uncles and aunties have already developed 1000 HP engine.

Project Zorawar: MTU Couldn’t Deliver engines, Cummins engine to power India’s Light Battle Tank Program – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

1000 hp is too much for a 25 ton tank

 

[AnantS]

1000 hp is too much for a 25 ton tank

No. It gives enough bandwidth for any upgrades(defensive or otherwise).

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

No. It gives enough bandwidth for any upgrades(defensive or otherwise).

I think army wants a 600hp engine on that

 

[SUPERPOWER]

I think army wants a 600hp engine on that

Than why did we develop 1000 HP engine.

 

[Johny_Baba]

1000 hp is too much for a 25 ton tank

well we make ruusi engines for Tin-72 and Tin-90 ASS here, ~800 to 1000 hp ones, ONLY IF they wanted to put it on this one
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also we made an uprated 1000 hp version of V-46-6 for Tin-72 that has got an extra turbocharger and some other modifications, rumors are it was installed on various Tin-72 meant for Ladakh and such higher altitude regions
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[ezsasa]

there is also what seems to be supply chain angle, light tank project seems to be completely devoid of russian tech, even the uprated T-72 engine would still be of russian I.P. hence looking for western tech engines.

even with change in engine for prototype, if DRDO can deliver prototype in year and half timeline, it would still be faster than dealing with russian supply chain dependency.

 

[AnantS]

I think army wants a 600hp engine on that

Oh always double on power and half the wt want of army.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

there is also what seems to be supply chain angle, light tank project seems to be completely devoid of russian tech, even the uprated T-72 engine would still be of russian I.P. hence looking for western tech engines.

even with change in engine for prototype, if DRDO can deliver prototype in year and half timeline, it would still be faster than dealing with russian supply chain dependency.

With this change its estimated to be out be next year last quarter

 

[Johny_Baba]

there is also what seems to be supply chain angle, light tank project seems to be completely devoid of russian tech, even the uprated T-72 engine would still be of russian I.P. hence looking for western tech engines.

even with change in engine for prototype, if DRDO can deliver prototype in year and half timeline, it would still be faster than dealing with russian supply chain dependency.

In all honesty it is not case of ruusi supply line but of 'tech'
because even on WhAP we put those ruusi 30mm autocannon 2A42M instead of what west could easily have offered us in same calibre; and because OFB was already making them en masse for various projects here from BMP-2 to those naval CRN-91 etc;
and we've been making Tin-72 and so here since years now; it was already said somewhere that we've indigenised the engines for both Tin-72 and Tin-90ASS here;

coming back to Cummins and so; they are making some powerful 4-cylinder engine for american light combat vehicle projects whatever called "Advanced Combat Engine // ACE" which is a scalable design ranging from 750hp to 1500hp one; this may very well power vehicles ranging from Stryker to Bradley to potentially Abrams too in those newer IC engine forks etc; and i believe this ACE thing is also lighter in mass (weight) than currently available options

so most likely Jorawar was trying to benefit from this and similar engine projects from west but...it turned out to be a bad story

jab ghar me hi Royal Ordnance L7 105mm barrel//turret hai (from Vijayanta) aur Tin-72 ka 1000 hp wala uprated engine hai jo khaas Himalay ke liye hi banaya gya hai fir bahar itna muh maar rhe hai thoda kam se chala lete toh ab tak Jorawar ban gya hota

 

[omaebakabaka]

In all honesty it is not case of ruusi supply line but of 'tech'
because even on WhAP we put those ruusi 30mm autocannon 2A42M instead of what west could easily have offered us in same calibre; and because OFB was already making them en masse for various projects here from BMP-2 to those naval CRN-91 etc;
and we've been making Tin-72 and so here since years now; it was already said somewhere that we've indigenised the engines for both Tin-72 and Tin-90ASS here;

coming back to Cummins and so; they are making some powerful 4-cylinder engine for american light combat vehicle projects whatever called "Advanced Combat Engine // ACE" which is a scalable design ranging from 750hp to 1500hp one; this may very well power vehicles ranging from Stryker to Bradley to potentially Abrams too in those newer IC engine forks etc; and i believe this ACE thing is also lighter in mass (weight) than currently available options

so most likely Jorawar was trying to benefit from this and similar engine projects from west but...it turned out to be a bad story

jab ghar me hi Royal Ordnance L7 105mm barrel//turret hai (from Vijayanta) aur Tin-72 ka 1000 hp wala uprated engine hai jo khaas Himalay ke liye hi banaya gya hai fir bahar itna muh maar rhe hai thoda kam se chala lete toh ab tak Jorawar ban gya hota

How is replacing one foreign maal with another going to lay the foundation? If you want indigenous then invest in your own with only 50% help, beyond that people will stop thinking and using their brain and pick easy methods without hardwork....ISRO is one example where success is bit more clear. Economics consideration is bull crap when we don't have basic levels of presence in key areas.....engine building is low tech comparatively vs semis and other areas. Its a shame.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

How is replacing one foreign maal with another going to lay the foundation? If you want indigenous then invest in your own with only 50% help, beyond that people will stop thinking and using their brain and pick easy methods without hardwork....ISRO is one example where success is bit more clear. Economics consideration is bull crap when we don't have basic levels of presence in key areas.....engine building is low tech comparatively vs semis and other areas. Its a shame.

To be fair, Cummins makes a lot of stuff in India. IG this is just "make in India" instead of IDDM.

 

[omaebakabaka]

To be fair, Cummins makes a lot of stuff in India. IG this is just "make in India" instead of IDDM.

Yes, kirlosker also does the same thing....any patriotic industrialist would have invested in building upon the make in India to indigenous level like Japan or SK or even China but no, we just want to line pockets easily without sweat. Big problem is lack of any ambition or diligence from GOI in forcing the conglomerates to invest...anyway even if we do made in india we still can't seem to match any production levels. I working in manufacturing and I am well aware of bottlenecks, attitude and casual approach without any care at all levels.

My bad to go on RR....continue the import conversation