LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Chinmoy]

I am sorry , I dont have much knowledge in this field but wouldnt changes to DFCC mean the change in the whole fbw system. (Dont reply if it is a really dumb question)

FBW or Fly By Wire is the whole system.

DFCC or Digital Flight Control Computer is brain of the system.

 

[Azaad]

This is also partly in response to the earlier discussions here on why Jaguar IMs will be relegated to secondary strike duties even as far as Naval duties go .

 

[Pazhassiraja]

Can Tejas Mark1A currently carry one Brahmos ALCM (not NG) in any of its carriages along with 2 CCMs, suitable for a maritime strike mission?

This is also partly in response to the earlier discussions here on why Jaguar IMs will be relegated to secondary strike duties even as far as Naval duties go .

 

[Satish Sharma]

Can Tejas Mark1A currently carry one Brahmos ALCM (not NG) in any of its carriages along with 2 CCMs, suitable for a maritime strike mission?

Not possible air launched brahmos weights 2.5 tons. Under carriage weight payload is even lesser than onboard wing pylons.

 

[Azaad]

Can Tejas Mark1A currently carry one Brahmos ALCM (not NG) in any of its carriages along with 2 CCMs, suitable for a maritime strike mission?

Not sure if the Mk-1s has been rigged to carry a Brahmos A . These are what is proposed to the PhAF. Both the Brahmos NG & NASM ER are in various stages of development set to enter service before the end of this decade.

 

[NutCracker]

Can Tejas Mark1A currently carry one Brahmos ALCM (not NG) in any of its carriages along with 2 CCMs, suitable for a maritime strike mission?

Inner pylons are rated for 1.2T. Let's see how heavy Brahmos NG ends up .

 

[Pazhassiraja]

Not sure if the Mk-1s has been rigged to carry a Brahmos A . These are what is proposed to the PhAF. Both the Brahmos NG & NASM ER are in various stages of development set to enter service before the end of this decade.

Yes, but since Brahmos NG may take time to come out, just thinking if Philippines would wait for it. If Brahmos ALCM could be carried by the current 1A, then it would have definitely been an advantage. There was a news that Gripen C/D is also in race for PhAF

 

[Satish Sharma]

Inner pylons are rated for 1.2T. Let's see how heavy Brahmos NG ends up .

I have heard 1.3 tons, even seen 1.4 tons
Eurasian reported 1.33.
I guess those charts of max payload are for mk1 FOC. And not mk1a

 

[NutCracker]

I have heard 1.3 tons, even seen 1.4 tons
Eurasian reported 1.33.
I guess those charts of max payload are for mk1 FOC. And not mk1a

Was there supposed to be any improvement in pylons capacity.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Breaking news -2 Tejas will be delivered on 31st March (Jane's source in hal)

HAL prepares first two Tejas Mk 1As for delivery to IAF

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is preparing the first two units of the improved Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk 1A for delivery to the Indian Air Force (IAF)...

www.janes.com

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is preparing the first two units of the improved Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk 1A for delivery to the Indian Air Force (IAF)...



The IAF seeks to acquire the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft Mk 1A to replace its ageing MiG-21 fleet. The Mk 1A has a greater payload and fuel capacity than the earlier Mk 1 aircraft (pictured), plus improved avionics and cockpit features. (Indian Air Force)

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is preparing the first two units of the improved Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk 1A for delivery to the Indian Air Force (IAF) in March.

A source in HAL told Janes that the company aims to deliver the first two aircraft by 31 March. “The IAF has requested the handover of at least one Mk 1A aircraft before this date,” the source said.

HAL was awarded the contract to produce 83 LCA Mk 1A (including 73 single-seat and 10 two-seat trainers) aircraft in January 2021. As per the contract, HAL was originally scheduled to deliver the first single-seat aircraft in February, with a total of three Mk 1As to be delivered in 2024.

“The production of the first two LCA Mk 1A aircraft is almost complete, and we need to ensure that all systems, parts, and components of the aircraft pass inspections in preparation for the handover to the IAF,” the source said.

Janes understands that HAL is working to avoid a potential rejection of the aircraft by the IAF because of a production defect, however minor. “We are trying to ensure that the aircraft will pass the final inspection,” the HAL source said.

Janes

 

[Satish Sharma]

Was there supposed to be any improvement in pylons capacity.

I was looking at it but found this gem

HAL prepares first two Tejas Mk 1As for delivery to IAF

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is preparing the first two units of the improved Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk 1A for delivery to the Indian Air Force (IAF)...

www.janes.com

 

[Azaad]

Yes, but since Brahmos NG may take time to come out, just thinking if Philippines would wait for it. If Brahmos ALCM could be carried by the current 1A, then it would have definitely been an advantage. There was a news that Gripen C/D is also in race for PhAF

Don't think it makes sense to strap a leviathan Brahmos A on the underbelly of the Mk-1a even if it's possible. It also depends a lot on when is the PhAF expected to arrive at a decision about procurement.

Usually this kind of procurement takes time which is why prospective vendors throw in a lot of future developments as part of the package. In addition to the Gripens , the F-16s are also in the race which makes me sceptical of the chances of the Mk-1a given the close relationship between Philippines & the US.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Don't think it makes sense to strap a leviathan Brahmos A on the underbelly of the Mk-1a even if it's possible. It also depends a lot on when is the PhAF expected to arrive at a decision about procurement.

Usually this kind of procurement takes time which is why prospective vendors throw in a lot of future developments as part of the package. In addition to the Gripens , the F-16s are also in the race which makes me sceptical of the chances of the Mk-1a given the close relationship between Philippines & the US.

The f16 are out of there budget. They couldn't afford new f16 they scrapped a deal. Old f16 could be the case. But naval capabilities of Tejas stands out for Phillipines who is getting bullied by xina. Phillipines was the first country to bring brahmos they will have interest in it..
No chance of gripen.. neither cd nor ng
It will be expensive than Tejas.. will not have anti ship capabilities they need..

For country like Phillipines the air to air edge over respective competing platforms on each does not matter That much as it has no enemy in its neighbourhood..
. China may Indulge in a2a.But when last time they did Thad brought them to there knees...
So for Phillipines naval capabilities are more important. And Tejas is only best contentdor
For them APG 68 or elm 2052 doesn't matter at all..

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

Can Tejas Mark1A currently carry one Brahmos ALCM (not NG) in any of its carriages along with 2 CCMs, suitable for a maritime strike mission?

It can't.
Carrying ng version is just a theory for now as the weight of bramhos ng is 1.5 ton and lca can support max 1.2 ton missile or bomb

 

[Pazhassiraja]

The f16 are out of there budget. They couldn't afford new f16 they scrapped a deal. Old f16 could be the case. But naval capabilities of Tejas stands out for Phillipines who is getting bullied by xina. Phillipines was the first country to bring brahmos they will have interest in it..
No chance of gripen.. neither cd nor ng
It will be expensive than Tejas.. will not have anti ship capabilities they need..

For country like Phillipines the air to air edge over respective competing platforms on each does not matter That much as it has no enemy in its neighbourhood..
. China may Indulge in a2a.But when last time they did Thad brought them to there knees...
So for Phillipines naval capabilities are more important. And Tejas is only best contentdor
For them APG 68 or elm 2052 doesn't matter at all..

Yes like you said, the article which I read was saying Gripen was about 85 million dollars while Tejas Mark1a would be available at 45 million dollars. That is why Philippines was interested in Tejas. As mentioned above F-16 was a ruled out case for them due to price

 

[kamaal]

Point is many display of LCA shows 2 brahmos NG on wing pylons. If this true then the weight has to be between 1.1-1.3 tons or else it'll be not very useful to carry single AshM which has range of only 290 km.
If Brahmos gets 2 NGs to get fit then we can make strong case for lca to many countries in South East Asia.
Just imagine a group of 4 LCAs with 2 Brahmos NGs and one 800 ltr central external fuel tank escorted by another 4 LCA in A2A configs, the PLAN will think twice before entering the EEZ of any navy holding this firepower.

 

[no smoking]

If Brahmos gets 2 NGs to get fit then we can make strong case for lca to many countries in South East Asia.
Just imagine a group of 4 LCAs with 2 Brahmos NGs and one 800 ltr central external fuel tank escorted by another 4 LCA in A2A configs, the PLAN will think twice before entering the EEZ of any navy holding this firepower.

8 LCAs, no matter loaded with what, won't scare anyone. They may successfully sink a PLAN boat, but they can't handle the PLAN fighter jets flying in later.
That is the exact same reason no Philippine jet showing up when those Chinese marine policy boats in the EEZ claimed by Philippine, even though these boats have no air-defense system at all.

 

[Blood+]

8 LCAs, no matter loaded with what, won't scare anyone. They may successfully sink a PLAN boat, but they can't handle the PLAN fighter jets flying in later.
That is the exact same reason no Philippine jet showing up when those Chinese marine policy boats in the EEZ claimed by Philippine, even though these boats have no air-defense system at all.

They will, after they wreck a ship or two that is.

 

[raju1982]

8 LCAs, no matter loaded with what, won't scare anyone. They may successfully sink a PLAN boat, but they can't handle the PLAN fighter jets flying in later.
That is the exact same reason no Philippine jet showing up when those Chinese marine policy boats in the EEZ claimed by Philippine, even though these boats have no air-defense system at all.

For that to fulfill all users reqs HAL need to up the production first. Tge way they produced first 40 does not boost the morale. Now IAF had to request them to stick to the Mk1a agreement! lol

 

[Blood+]

For that to fulfill all users reqs HAL need to up the production first. Tge way they produced first 40 does not boost the morale. Now IAF had to request them to stick to the Mk1a agreement! lol

Well, what did you expect??!! It was just 40 airframes!! It was thanks to HAL they got those 40 at all; any private co worth their salt wouldn't even touch such a proposal with a 10 foot barge pole.