LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Assassin 2.0]

M2k is outdated even with the upgrade it has . F 16 on the other hand is far more superior in terms of avionics and payload with its latest avionics package.

While Tejas mk2 is still in pipeline.

Don't forget strategic advantages of having your own baby.

 

[Bhurki]

Don't forget strategic advantages of having your own baby.

Just like INSAS.
Made them, bought them and now can't get rid of them.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Just like INSAS.
Made them, bought them and now can't get rid of them.

Who said to use bad product.
What about naval ships? Nuclear subs. Nuclear missile. Bvrm astra. And in 1999 kargil war when all the russi and Israeli were charging 20x times more it was OFB which worked day and night throughout the war non stop to supply equipments ammunition.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Don't forget strategic advantages of having your own baby.

That's ok bro but that's not the question here. It will certainly build up industry and eventually benefit the long-term goal.

Just like INSAS.
Made them, bought them and now can't get rid of them.

We aren't talking about INSAS stick to the topic and move to rifle section to discuss that bro.

 

[mayfair]

M2k is outdated even with the upgrade it has . F 16 on the other hand is far more superior in terms of avionics and payload with its latest avionics package.

While Tejas mk2 is still in pipeline.

Yet those outdated IAF M2Ks flew in and out of enemy territory and bombed terror targets under the noses of the much vaunted PAF F-16s.

2 IAF M2Ks and a 2 IAF Su 30 MKIs kept at least four-fold bigger swarm of PAF F16s and bandars at bay.

Kargil War M2K performance is well documented, PAF F-16s lack thereof as well.

Finally, we are in no form or context going to purchase F 16s...ever.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

The Indian artillery fired over 2,50,000 shells, bombs and rockets during the Kargil conflict. Approximately 5,000 artillery shells, mortar bombs and rockets were fired daily from 300 guns, mortars and MBRLs while 9,000 shells were fired the day Tiger Hill was regained. During the peak period of assaults, on an average, each artillery battery fired over one round per minute for 17 days continuously. Such high rates of fire over long periods had not been witnessed anywhere in the world since the World War II. Even during World War-II, such sustained artillery firing was not common at all. The men at the guns had blisters on their hands from carrying and loading shells and cartridges

This wouldn't be possible without the work Junk OFB did at that time and meanwhile our British made naval helicopters were sitting junks because of American sanctions.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Yet those outdated IAF M2Ks flew in and out of enemy territory and bombed terror targets under the noses of the much vaunted PAF F-16s.

2 IAF M2Ks and a 2 IAF Su 30 MKIs kept at least four-fold bigger swarm of PAF F16s and bandars at bay.

Kargil War M2K performance is well documented, PAF F-16s lack thereof as well.

Finally, we are in no form or context going to purchase F 16s...ever.

IAF for outranged by AIM 120 C5 that day. Had we a missile like Astra in our inventory, situation would have been very different.

 

[mayfair]

IAF for outranged by AIM 120 C5 that day. Had we a missile like Astra in our inventory, situation would have been very different.

That's a different problem and a vexing one. When crisis strikes, we in India are found ill-prepared and scrambling for solutions for yesterdays' problems.

 

[vampyrbladez]

That's a different problem and a vexing one. When crisis strikes, we in India are found ill-prepared and scrambling for solutions for yesterdays' problems.

Any change on the ground requires atleast 3-5 years if done properly. The genuine efforts towards indigenization by IAF and newer platforms like Super Sukhoi and Rafale coming online is an encouraging step.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Not at all. Tejas Mk2 would be superior to F-16 & M2K by far in all projected specs and avionics.

M2K development has long stopped. If LCAmk2 isnt better than M2k then our product is 100% will be inferior.

F16 on the other hand is evolving. Some of F35 tech has filtered down to F16 with respect to sensor fusion and avionics. I dont know if we can suddenly match their avionics suddenly when they are developing for generations. F16 block 70 is an really good ac.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Not at all. Tejas Mk2 would be superior to F-16 & M2K by far in all projected specs and avionics.

M2K development has long stopped. If LCAmk2 isnt better than M2k then our product is 100% will be inferior.

F16 on the other hand is evolving. Some of F35 tech has filtered down to F16 with respect to sensor fusion and avionics. I dont know if we can suddenly match their avionics suddenly when they are developing for generations. F16 block 70 is an really good ac.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

F16 on the other hand is evolving

There was a posting of some important air force official here in this forum about the capability of mirage 2000 and f-16,I do say you can see that.
He said f-16 with EVOLVING ROLE IS NOTHING BUT A BOMB TRUCK.

 

[vampyrbladez]

M2K development has long stopped. If LCAmk2 isnt better than M2k then our product is 100% will be inferior.

F16 on the other hand is evolving. Some of F35 tech has filtered down to F16 with respect to sensor fusion and avionics. I dont know if we can suddenly match their avionics suddenly when they are developing for generations. F16 block 70 is an really good ac.

Go through this article.

http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/...ows-a-pair-becomes-the-medium-weight-fighter/

You will see that the Tejas MK2 is a close cousin of the Gripen E. This makes it more capable than the Mirage 2000-5 it will replace.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Sweet LCA Tejas.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Don't forget strategic advantages of having your own baby.

True, when you make something of your own, you give birth to a possibility. Now we have our won fighter to which we can improve , make new one out of it, sale, give it to our friends etc, beside making money. Recently, UAE has asked for Astra. As time passes, more and more countries will come to India for these types of defense stuffs.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

There was a posting of some important air force official here in this forum about the capability of mirage 2000 and f-16,I do say you can see that.
He said f-16 with EVOLVING ROLE IS NOTHING BUT A BOMB TRUCK.

Go through this article.

http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/...ows-a-pair-becomes-the-medium-weight-fighter/

You will see that the Tejas MK2 is a close cousin of the Gripen E. This makes it more capable than the Mirage 2000-5 it will replace.

The most important in this generation is avionics, RF and related avionics. F16 has advantages in that regard. Its continually evolving. Now an Avioncics related board needs a lot of networking IC, RF related IC and components to be developed inhouse. Designing is the key. Are we developing inhouse? Maybe. Latest architecture? Hell no.
F16 has the advantage of continually being in development of such avionics and radars. F35 techs have been tricking to F16.

India cannot suddenly jump to latest jamming tech, ECM pods or radars without continous years of being in R&D. Nor our budget suggest such a leap which is impossible. I work in electronics and I have an idea how thing progress linearly or works.

I would be really happy if out LCA MK2 matches the capability of Block 70 or atleast Block60. But without years of development into various techs, expecting LCA to exceed F16 is quite over optimistic. I am not saying Indian engineers arent capable. But havent seen much of outputs.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The most important in this generation is avionics, RF and related avionics. F16 has advantages in that regard. Its continually evolving. Now an Avioncics related board needs a lot of networking IC, RF related IC and components to be developed inhouse. Designing is the key. Are we developing inhouse? Maybe. Latest architecture? Hell no.
F16 has the advantage of continually being in development of such avionics and radars. F35 techs have been tricking to F16.

India cannot suddenly jump to latest jamming tech, ECM pods or radars without continous years of being in R&D. Nor our budget suggest such a leap which is impossible. I work in electronics and I have an idea how thing progress linearly or works.

I would be really happy if out LCA MK2 matches the capability of Block 70 or atleast Block60. But without years of development into various techs, expecting LCA to exceed F16 is quite over optimistic. I am not saying Indian engineers arent capable. But havent seen much of outputs.

That's where JV with companies as part of defence offsets are massively helpful for technology infusion. You also have startups which have emerged rapidly over the last few years and are directly and openly challenging PSU market-share.

DRDO has been able to create the necessary technology blocks for faster development. By integrating know how from the JVs and start-ups under open ended tenders following fast track procurement, you will see rapid development.

Even amongst the same PSU, you have different teams competing. AMCA and LCA MK2 have different teams under ADA who are competing for most orders, depending on who gets their fighter to the production line faster.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

That's where JV with companies as part of defence offsets are massively helpful for technology infusion. You also have startups which have emerged rapidly over the last few years and are directly and openly challenging PSU market-share.

DRDO has been able to create the necessary technology blocks for faster development. By integrating know how from the JVs and start-ups under open ended tenders following fast track procurement, you will see rapid development.

Even amongst the same PSU, you have different teams competing. AMCA and LCA MK2 have different teams under ADA who are competing for most orders, depending on who gets their fighter to the production line faster.

The response from most people is generic. We have to see the output in scientific and general terms. It took nearly 20 years late for an institute in India to develop Shakthi Micrprocesser which was already developed around 2000 in that 170nm architecture. Now DRDO didnt develop that one.

I know several start ups in India who design microchips for global companies such as Qualcomm and Intel. But are they being utilised for Indian armed forces? No. MKU and Tonbo imaging had to go through foreign military procurement first before they gained trust of Indian IA. That is the level of technical efficiency in DRDO and Armed forces in India. .Whether you believe it or not, contracts for DRDO and other research orgs are a den of corruption. I dont want to go into it further.

The issue is IAF and IA has to start accepting Indian products even if its single vendor situation or strategic partnership with one Indian company, so in sometime in future they can compete with global companies in that regard. Right now its not so encouraging. As I said, if India develops avionics for Mk2 equal to Block 60 developed by 2015 in 2025 I will consider it a success. JV will only share PCB designs or schematics, but not IC designs for secure networking, radios, radars, avionics etc. So in a way we will be still dependent on them.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The response from most people is generic. We have to see the output in scientific and general terms. It took nearly 20 years late for an institute in India to develop Shakthi Micrprocesser which was already developed around 2000 in that 170nm architecture. Now DRDO didnt develop that one.

I know several start ups in India who design microchips for global companies such as Qualcomm and Intel. But are they being utilised for Indian armed forces? No. MKU and Tonbo imaging had to go through foreign military procurement first before they gained trust of Indian IA. That is the level of technical efficiency in DRDO and Armed forces in India. .Whether you believe it or not, contracts for DRDO and other research orgs are a den of corruption. I dont want to go into it further.

The issue is IAF and IA has to start accepting Indian products even if its single vendor situation or strategic partnership with one Indian company, so in sometime in future they can compete with global companies in that regard. Right now its not so encouraging. As I said, if India develops avionics for Mk2 equal to Block 60 developed by 2015 in 2025 I will consider it a success. JV will only share PCB designs or schematics, but not IC designs for secure networking, radios, radars, avionics etc. So in a way we will be still dependent on them.

The below technology is the base of all future military projects of next 15-20 years.

IISc Develops India’s first e-mode Gallium-Nitride Power Transistor

The researchers carried out rigorous experiments, processed over 200 process lots to develop this technology, and ran quality tests on more than 150 transistors per manufacturing lot to build confidence in the manufacturing platform. They found that the gallium nitride transistors with aluminium titanium oxide gate stayed in e-mode and showed a 100-fold reduction in the leakage current and better gate control, as compared to other conventional GaN HEMTs. Besides, the current carrying capacity of the transistor when it is turned ON was found to be at par with industry standards.

https://researchmatters.in/news/iisc-develops-india’s-first-e-mode-gallium-nitride-power-transistor

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Focus on the image. fuselage is getting created by private company. This is how we roll with private industry working on tejas speed can be boosted. Government is on full throttle for indigenous equipments.
HAL will also shine as a integrator.