LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[HariPrasad-1]

bro if u planning to produce 4.5 genration tejas mark 2 till 2058 (35 years u say),,,,,it will remain in our service till 2098. do u think after 2060 any 4.5 genration remain relevant. that time most countries hv 5-6-7 genration fighter. we will not going to upgrade our tejas mark 2 in 5 genration somehow.
just forget to mention...like j16, su 30 mki can equip 10 AAM missiles. 12 if u add two dual pylon, which drdo already make.

We should upgrade MWF into a fifth generation plane like KF-21 which is a fifth gen fighter without weapon bay. We should add atleast frontal stealth in MWF upgrade. J20 is not a stealth aircraft as Chinese claim. It is a shit and any 4.5 generation plane can kill it any day. In an exercise in China, J 20 Scored 3.5 to 1 kill ration against 3rd generation plane which is more than 100 for F-22. Such a shit is J-20. It is no match to Rafale.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

i dont expect chinese will overthrow meteor capabilities nd range from their PL17. their PL 15 is already too much hyped by pakistan, USA nd chinese themself. which is basically near astra 2 capability.

Very correct.

 

[MirageBlue]

Was this not posted here earlier? ASRAAM on Tejas Mk1A prototype for the first time.

 

[Satish Sharma]

No Chinese fighter is superior to Russian one. They copied J15 from Su 33 and end up making as shit which can not carry more than 2 tons from Deck. Our old Mig 29s are far better.

J16 cannot takeoff with full fuel & descent payload from Tibet. It is heavy aircraft

 

[vin bharat mahan]

No.

We are not upgrading Su-30s at 64000 crore.

hope this 64000 crore or 8 billion dollar upgrade for all 260 su 30 mki... than per aircraft upgrade cost will be 31 million dollar. but if 8 billion dollar upgrade for only 84 su 30 mki, that upgrade cost will be 95 million dollar per aircraft. which us insane.

 

[Satish Sharma]

We should upgrade MWF into a fifth generation plane like KF-21 which is a fifth gen fighter without weapon bay. We should add atleast frontal stealth in MWF upgrade. J20 is not a stealth aircraft as Chinese claim. It is a shit and any 4.5 generation plane can kill it any day. In an exercise in China, J 20 Scored 3.5 to 1 kill ration against 3rd generation plane which is more than 100 for F-22. Such a shit is J-20. It is no match to Rafale.

We certainly have good composites which we used on 90% surface area of Tejas. we have reduced it's rcs alot we should go the KF-21 way. They are saying it will have amca technology
Anyways navy is smart they decided to have those underbelly pylons for semi merged missile into body like kf21 to reduce rcs of tedbf

 

[vin bharat mahan]

No they don't, see latest us b52 and j11interception ir video, you can see j16 lighting like Xmas tree, if they have used composite airframe the ir reflection also much lower

only j16 hv "some composite airframe" nd may be RAM coating as well...its RCS is somewhat close to russian su 35...but here many crying as j16 is a f22 raptor (on stealth base). same with j20, its stealth is near su 57 level. so we r not going to face f22 or f35 level stealthy fighters on our chinese borders any time soon. yes their sensors nd weapons r better in j16, j10 nd j20...but our sensors nd weapons quality also increasing. our nd chinese airforce quality nd quantity gap is same as american nd chinese airforce.
hilarious situation was when indian show j16 carry 10 AAM, i mean whats so unique about it. our su 30 can also carry 10 AAM missiles nd even tejas mark 1a can carry 8 AAM with two dual pylon. american F15 ex can carry more than 20 AAM, that is parise worthy.

 

[Satish Sharma]

We should upgrade MWF into a fifth generation plane like KF-21 which is a fifth gen fighter without weapon bay. We should add atleast frontal stealth in MWF upgrade. J20 is not a stealth aircraft as Chinese claim. It is a shit and any 4.5 generation plane can kill it any day. In an exercise in China, J 20 Scored 3.5 to 1 kill ration against 3rd generation plane which is more than 100 for F-22. Such a shit is J-20. It is no match to Rafale.

J20 is mig 1.44 with addition of dsi configuration
J10 is Israeli lavi, Israel has given them python 3 , elta helped in making radar.
L15 is Russian yak 130(exact copy, tot)
J11,j15,j16 is copy of su27 &su33.
Jf17 was made from unfinished super sabre joint development of china with Grumman,usa.(Grumman left in the middle)
The black hawk is complete copy of Chinese Z20.
The c-17 is actually xi-17. Usa stole the tech of y20 kunpeng.
There so huge number of aircraft is because they operate 700-800 j7 inferior mig21
Many such jets.. which will subverge many unaware Indian minds..

 

[Gyyan]

J16 cannot takeoff with full fuel & descent payload from Tibet. It is heavy aircraft

Laughs in Y20B kunpeng.

only j16 hv "some composite airframe" nd may be RAM coating as well...its RCS is somewhat close to russian su 35...but here many crying as j16 is a f22 raptor (on stealth base). same with j20, its stealth is near su 57 level. so we r not going to face f22 or f35 level stealthy fighters on our chinese borders any time soon. yes their sensors nd weapons r better in j16, j10 nd j20...but our sensors nd weapons quality also increasing. our nd chinese airforce quality nd quantity gap is same as american nd chinese airforce.
hilarious situation was when indian show j16 carry 10 AAM, i mean whats so unique about it. our su 30 can also carry 10 AAM missiles nd even tejas mark 1a can carry 8 AAM with two dual pylon. american F15 ex can carry more than 20 AAM, that is parise worthy.

Talking sheet like this while our MKIs fall behind them in almost every specification is hilarious.
J16s are not raptors but we don't even have something that rivals them spec wise let alone they will be working alongside fajins.
And our super sukhois are few years away.

 

[NutCracker]

This thread.

 

[Samej Jangir]

Was this not posted here earlier? ASRAAM on Tejas Mk1A prototype for the first time.

On a lighter note- Reminds me of Asaram Bapu!

 

[Satish Sharma]

Laughs in Y20B kunpeng.

Talking sheet like this while our MKIs fall behind them in almost every specification is hilarious.
J16s are not raptors but we don't even have something that rivals them spec wise let alone they will be working alongside fajins.
And our super sukhois are few years away.

Yes Chinese flankers are superior with those missiles and capable aesa radar. On paper it seems it could be but our rafales are more superior and once mrfa gets completed we will become largest operator of rafale whole eastern front can be managed by rafale. And our su30s are now getting upgraded if it alone costs 90 million dollars. it's is going to be more better than Chinese flankers. We will have very capable aesa Gan based radar they have gaA based radars we will also have very capable IR sensors. Dont forget astra mk2 &mk3 they will be more capable than any Chinese missiles, china is now somehow making seekers that to are GaA based otherwise all missiles had Russian seekers..
Astra mk3 will overpower Chinese flankers we have tested it from ground..
also brahmos meteor is possible in future. As mbda has said it they will not integrate any missile with Chinese or Israeli radar and they will integrate with uttam variants if there is no Israeli components. There is one Israeli component uttam is 95% indigeneous
Our flanker will surpass Chinese after super Sukhoi
And do you really trust Chinese numbers ?

 

[Chinmoy]

hope this 64000 crore or 8 billion dollar upgrade for all 260 su 30 mki... than per aircraft upgrade cost will be 31 million dollar. but if 8 billion dollar upgrade for only 84 su 30 mki, that upgrade cost will be 95 million dollar per aircraft. which us insane.

No.

Its not.

Neither we are using 64000 cr for Su upgrade, nor we are paying 65000 cr for 97 Tejas.

 

[Samej Jangir]

No.

Its not.

Neither we are using 64000 cr for Su upgrade, nor we are paying 65000 cr for 97 Tejas.

670crore for 1 Tejas? That is expensive. I hope that there is something more which is not being disclosed.

 

[Chinmoy]

670crore for 1 Tejas? That is expensive. I hope that there is something more which is not being disclosed.

In 2021, it was 602 crore per plane

 

[Samej Jangir]

In 2021, it was 602 crore per plane

That was inclusive of the cost to make assembly lines, infrastructures, R&D cost for the 50+ changes etc. Since there was a lot of R&D and infrastructure to set up, lot of money went as fixed cost rather than per unit cost. But once the infrastructure is paid for, why the price is still high for next batch?

 

[Chinmoy]

That was inclusive of the cost to make assembly lines, infrastructures, R&D cost for the 50+ changes etc. Since there was a lot of R&D and infrastructure to set up, lot of money went as fixed cost rather than per unit cost. But once the infrastructure is paid for, why the price is still high for next batch?

You have no idea of how these deals and contracts are done. Right?

 

[Satish Sharma]

No.

Its not.

Neither we are using 64000 cr for Su upgrade, nor we are paying 65000 cr for 97 Tejas.

Then From where this numbers came on media outlets??
Hope there is no corruption

 

[Samej Jangir]

You have no idea of how these deals and contracts are done. Right?

Do you know? I don't see a reason why you would right a single liner instead of explaining the methodology if you really did know

 

[Chinmoy]

Do you know? I don't see a reason why you would right a single liner instead of explaining the methodology if you really did know

Ok. Let me make things more clear to you here. Lets say you are making biryani and buying potatos from me for that. You made a deal that over the period of 5 years, you would be purchasing 5000 kgs of potatos from me. So while signing the deal, would you sign the deal in todays price or would keep in mind the price inflation of next 5 years too?

Fund allocation for 83 Tejas was around 50,000 Crore. But in 2021 the deal was signed for ~37,000 crore. Delivery of those jets would begin from 2024. So while signing the deal, value of INR against USD was 74 rupees and today its 83 rupees. You have to keep this in mind as we would be paying USD for many subcomponents of those 83 jets today.

So, just understand that while giving DAC approval, you are earmarking the amount. The actual contract value would definitely change after negotiation which would start after CCS approval. Same is the case with MKI upgrade. These are long time process where you have to calculate for future instead of present.

@Satish Sharma, hope you got your reply too.