LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Blademaster]

Hardly matters in context of Argentina . We can always sell combination of python and astra .
I don't want to get into an offtopic discussion but what is Argentinas plan to get out of her debt burden ? Are defence plans serious? Since there is no credible threat right now.

It is all about maintaining hard acquired skill sets and training. You just need enough for defense and any threats that may crop up but not a lot to pose a threat to any neighboring country.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Hahahaha..... Seems you got hurt just by hearing the claim.

But it's true. A Israeli F-35 was sent back to USA for Repair.

F-35 is a capable aircraft but it's far from wunderwaffe. There is others way to detect stealth aircraft.

Ground radars are bigger and consume more power and hence have more power to detect aircraft than what is possible from a Plane Radar. Both are in different league. Ground radar can more easily detect stealth plane.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

But your claims are like F-35 and F22 are GOD created where it can intercept Su-35 from 350 km but Su-35 can only intercept from 35 km.

What I am saying, do not make such weird claims. In war, there is always a counter balance.

Now days fighting a war from imported weapons is stupid idea. If you are not self sufficient in basic weaponry then keep quiet.

These huge Russian flankers are excellent close combat fighters but looses badly on BVR combat. There is no way in which RCS of these flankers can be reduced bellow what can make difference. They will continue to remain as huge RCS planes above few meter RCS which is sufficient for and enemy plane to be detected from a great distance in 3 figures in K.M.s. They need great maneuverability and strong EW to survive from enemy missiles. However, if these flankers manages to go near enemy aircraft, they will become more and more deadly. In gun fight, they are invincible because of their great maneuverability and fire power.

 

[Gyyan]

Hahahaha..... Seems you got hurt just by hearing the claim.

But it's true. A Israeli F-35 was sent back to USA for Repair.

F-35 is a capable aircraft but it's far from wunderwaffe. There is others way to detect stealth aircraft.

Yes stealth fighters are not invisible and there are many ways to do it but saar must not forget that we need to get a lock to shoot not detection.
The thing about detection of stealth aircraft is that generally you know there a stealth fighter in your airspace and the general location but it's the lock that's hard to get.

 

[Bleh]

These huge Russian flankers are excellent close combat fighters but looses badly on BVR combat.

No they don't, atleast Super Sukhoi isn't supposed to... they may get picked-up earlier but EW is a thing. Detection doesn't mean engagement.

Egyptian Rafales fully jammed their Su-35s radar guidance of missiles.

 

[vishnugupt]

These huge Russian flankers are excellent close combat fighters but looses badly on BVR combat. There is no way in which RCS of these flankers can be reduced bellow what can make difference. They will continue to remain as huge RCS planes above few meter RCS which is sufficient for and enemy plane to be detected from a great distance in 3 figures in K.M.s. They need great maneuverability and strong EW to survive from enemy missiles. However, if these flankers manages to go near enemy aircraft, they will become more and more deadly. In gun fight, they are invincible because of their great maneuverability and fire power.

Yes stealth fighters are not invisible and there are many ways to do it but saar must not forget that we need to get a lock to shoot not detection.
The thing about detection of stealth aircraft is that generally you know there a stealth fighter in your airspace and the general location but it's the lock that's hard to get.

I have never claimed that Stealth is unnecessary or useless. My argument was against an egregious claim made by @johnj that Su-35 can not trace F-22/F-35 beyond 20 km. which was a pure lie.

Few DFI members have a typical dick-measuring habit. their evaluations are one-sided opinions often based on random fake news. these YouTube inspired claims would be found bogus once you see the ground.

Syria has been the biggest weapon testing ground for superpowers since 2014. few summaries:--

1) Israeli F-16 uses one of the world's best EWS and avionics but every time Russian jets caught them in Syria.

2) USA F-16 (with Ultra-modern EWS ) was harassed to the level where the USA had to deploy F-22 in the Middle East for the first time permanently.

3) F-35 tried to track SU-35 in Syria and SU-35 immediately activated their countermeasures. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-f-...ets-over-syria-as-fight-against-isis-resumes/

4) There is countless incident where SU-35 has intercepted the Eurofighter typhoon and Rafale in Syria.

What do these incidents tell us?? Stealth fighters can not fight one on one fight without giving up their location. Stealth aircraft are extremely useful when they work under AWACs but unfortunately, Russia is not the country that will allow an AWACS to fly a mere 400km from the frontline.

Rafale Spectra is excellent. not a silver bullet. Rafale EWS have excellent data fusion among all sensor ( second to F-35 ) and decoy systems. But the Su-35 also has a very powerful L175M Khibiny-M electronic countermeasures system.

The only thing Russia lacks is data fusion among sensors and MAWS which makes it impossible to maneuver against IR missiles. Most of the Russian losses in Ukraine are against Heat-seeking missiles.

Countering an enemy just means you have to copycat your enemy's weapons. You can devise a cheap strategy to counter it.

Has anyone thought about What would happen if Russia/China came up with a cheap solution against F-35 that would be one of the biggest disaster for NATO as they solely rely on single-source aircraft?

 

[lcafanboy]

https://Twitter.com/Akash10j/status/1702014912938303871?s=20

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I have never claimed that Stealth is unnecessary or useless. My argument was against an egregious claim made by @johnj that Su-35 can not trace F-22/F-35 beyond 20 km. which was a pure lie.

Few DFI members have a typical dick-measuring habit. their evaluations are one-sided opinions often based on random fake news. these YouTube inspired claims would be found bogus once you see the ground.

Syria has been the biggest weapon testing ground for superpowers since 2014. few summaries:--

1) Israeli F-16 uses one of the world's best EWS and avionics but every time Russian jets caught them in Syria.

2) USA F-16 (with Ultra-modern EWS ) was harassed to the level where the USA had to deploy F-22 in the Middle East for the first time permanently.

3) F-35 tried to track SU-35 in Syria and SU-35 immediately activated their countermeasures. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-f-...ets-over-syria-as-fight-against-isis-resumes/

4) There is countless incident where SU-35 has intercepted the Eurofighter typhoon and Rafale in Syria.

What do these incidents tell us?? Stealth fighters can not fight one on one fight without giving up their location. Stealth aircraft are extremely useful when they work under AWACs but unfortunately, Russia is not the country that will allow an AWACS to fly a mere 400km from the frontline.

Rafale Spectra is excellent. not a silver bullet. Rafale EWS have excellent data fusion among all sensor ( second to F-35 ) and decoy systems. But the Su-35 also has a very powerful L175M Khibiny-M electronic countermeasures system.

The only thing Russia lacks is data fusion among sensors and MAWS which makes it impossible to maneuver against IR missiles. Most of the Russian losses in Ukraine are against Heat-seeking missiles.

Countering an enemy just means you have to copycat your enemy's weapons. You can devise a cheap strategy to counter it.

Has anyone thought about What would happen if Russia/China came up with a cheap solution against F-35 that would be one of the biggest disaster for NATO as they solely rely on single-source aircraft?

What if US comes out with a cheap solution to neutralize Chinese and Russian flankers? All these are hypothetical questions.

 

[johnj]

I have never claimed that Stealth is unnecessary or useless. My argument was against an egregious claim made by @johnj that Su-35 can not trace F-22/F-35 beyond 20 km. which was a pure lie.

Few DFI members have a typical dick-measuring habit. their evaluations are one-sided opinions often based on random fake news. these YouTube inspired claims would be found bogus once you see the ground.

Syria has been the biggest weapon testing ground for superpowers since 2014. few summaries:--

1) Israeli F-16 uses one of the world's best EWS and avionics but every time Russian jets caught them in Syria.

2) USA F-16 (with Ultra-modern EWS ) was harassed to the level where the USA had to deploy F-22 in the Middle East for the first time permanently.

3) F-35 tried to track SU-35 in Syria and SU-35 immediately activated their countermeasures. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-f-...ets-over-syria-as-fight-against-isis-resumes/

4) There is countless incident where SU-35 has intercepted the Eurofighter typhoon and Rafale in Syria.

What do these incidents tell us?? Stealth fighters can not fight one on one fight without giving up their location. Stealth aircraft are extremely useful when they work under AWACs but unfortunately, Russia is not the country that will allow an AWACS to fly a mere 400km from the frontline.

Rafale Spectra is excellent. not a silver bullet. Rafale EWS have excellent data fusion among all sensor ( second to F-35 ) and decoy systems. But the Su-35 also has a very powerful L175M Khibiny-M electronic countermeasures system.

The only thing Russia lacks is data fusion among sensors and MAWS which makes it impossible to maneuver against IR missiles. Most of the Russian losses in Ukraine are against Heat-seeking missiles.

Countering an enemy just means you have to copycat your enemy's weapons. You can devise a cheap strategy to counter it.

Has anyone thought about What would happen if Russia/China came up with a cheap solution against F-35 that would be one of the biggest disaster for NATO as they solely rely on single-source aircraft?

Total garbage, none of these prove I'm wrong in the first place
From your source

UASF getting brand new FCR for new batch of f35, hence they decide to test Su35 EW suite
from the same source

Also from eurasiantime
Rafale vs Su-35: Did India, Egypt Make The Right Move By Opting For French Rafales Over Russian Sukhois?
19 Times In 24 Hours: Led By F-35 & Rafale Jets, US & Russian Fighters Come Dangerously Close To Exchanging Blows
About f22 raptor
F-22 RAPTOR
Results of Egypt test

The Su-35's problems were further highlighted in 2021 when Egypt began negotiations to purchase the fighter jet.
The limited avionics capabilities inside Russian Su-35 Flanker-E fighter jets severely hinder their ability to carry out missions assigned to fourth generation aircraft, according to numerous reports and analysts.
"Then they ordered Su-35s, only to find out this is equipped with PESA radar, and they would have to wait for years (and pay even more) for the Russians to develop a suitable AESA radar," said aviation author Tom Cooper, according to a 2022 Forbes article, referring to passive electronically scanned array (PESA) and active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar technology.
The Su-35 is the only major fourth-generation aircraft without the option of an AESA radar, a more advanced and sophisticated successor to the original PESA technology.
AESA radars have longer range, higher ability to detect smaller targets and better resistance to jamming than do PESA radars.
That means that other fourth-generation aircraft equipped with AESA radars are likely to be able to detect and engage an Su-35 beyond visual range (BVR) before it can react.
"On top of this, they then ran a test, apparently using the first 2-3 Su-35s delivered to Egypt, against their Rafales, and it turned out the Su-35's PESA is simply no match," Cooper said, referring to a mock dogfight that Egypt organised in 2021.
In the Egyptian test, the Rafale's countermeasure system "easily overpowered" the Su-35's radar system, he said.
"There was simply no point in paying for what was clearly inferior to available Western 4.5-generation jets," said Cooper.
Other analysts have pointed to the Egypt encounter.
"The attacking Su-35's radar was reportedly rendered useless by defensive jamming from the Rafale's F3R's SPECTRA electronic warfare suite ... The Rafale proceeded to acquire and mock shoot down the Su-35," international security analyst Sébastien Roblin wrote for Business Insider last August.

FYI Russian developed sensor fusion and MAWS
Even eurasiantimes cant prove I'm wrong but agree with me, and all these article written by Indians.
Do you ever consider other sites excluding eurasiantimes & idrw, these two sites were mostly written by amateur's with little knowledge, means mostly unreliable

India, malaysia etc use non Russian rwr, maws. matter of fact IAF rejected all Russian offer to upgrade mki and considering DRDO package
Khibiny (L-175V) is only thing good about flankers, it ASPJ pod, but in order active it, RWR need to detect enemy fighter FCR signals. Till date there is no news about Su35 detecting F22 FCR signals.

LCA mk1a having FCR which can detect 2m2 target in excess of 150~200km, and having ASPJ armed with astra mk1, mk2 and advanced ccms. Even LCA mk1a having better FCR, RWR than Su35

Also activating EW pod and EW pod achieving the goal is two different things
In simple I can easily write su35 have zero chance to detect f22 and MK1a can easily beat su35 in bvr and ccm.

 

[vishnugupt]

What if US comes out with a cheap solution to neutralize Chinese and Russian flankers? All these are hypothetical questions.

Hahahaha...... did you even understood what I am saying??? There is absolutely nothing to expose for ordinary 4th generation aircrafts.

But Suppose if F-35 stealth is compromised then it will be a sitting duck against 4th generation aircrafts.

 

[vishnugupt]

Total garbage, none of these prove I'm wrong in the first place

Gl0b0h0m0s Liberandu-Sickulars claims has been proving wrong from day one. Whatever you has been saying doesn't make even a sense.

You people are just another Rajdeep sardesai of DFI whose interns write a hit job article and Rajdeep discuss it at primetime show on the same evening.

 

[johnj]

Gl0b0h0m0s Liberandu-Sickulars claims has been proving wrong from day one. Whatever you has been saying doesn't make even a sense.

You people are just another Rajdeep sardesai of DFI whose interns write a hit job article and Rajdeep discuss it at primetime show on the same evening.

So you are Gl0b0h0m0s Liberandu-Sickulars and your intern of Rajdeep sardesai.
Majority of the people in the forum knows F22 invisible theory make zero sense, but no one consider to counter it due to lack of evidence.
Your links and sources only underlining f22 invisible theory.
For ex- from your source
F35 forced L-175V activate itself, but source didn't said if it able jam F35 radar or not. Worse case is, even the author don't have a clue weather su35 able to spot F35 or not, in what mode F35 used its radar.
Also form eurasian times - su35 is a highly exaggerated aircraft, struggle to beat 4.5 gen fighter.
Its not I'm saying, its eurasian times.
If I were you, I keep my silence till Russia starts posting F22 signature.
If you want some facts
1. IAF cancelled FGFA pgrm
2. IAF shown zero interest to upgrade mki to su35 level
3. IAF shown interest in su30mki upgrade including DRDO ASPJ pod
4. Both Egypt and China said Su35 they brought are inferior to 4.5/3.5 gen jets
You can continue argument crying USA manipulate entire internet, everything in internet is wrong, or can use mean and offensive statements.

 

[shiphone]

4. Both Egypt and China said Su35 they brought are inferior to 4.5/3.5 gen jets

obviously PLAAF said nothing about this bird ever and Egypt never opreated any Su-35...

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Hahahaha...... did you even understood what I am saying??? There is absolutely nothing to expose for ordinary 4th generation aircrafts.

But Suppose if F-35 stealth is compromised then it will be a sitting duck against 4th generation aircrafts.

How a fifth generation plane can be compromised. This sounds great in fiction writing.

 

[vishnugupt]

obviously PLAAF said nothing about this bird ever and Egypt never opreated any Su-35...

Egypt has never operated Su-35 But still somehow Gl0b0h0m0s Liberandu-Sickulars managed to jammed it's Radar and missiles and wrote an article in Polish magazine.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Form != Origin

Otherwise, you might as well call the Israeli Python-5 a license produced version of the Russian AA-11/R-73

The NG CCM is pretty much indigenous. We copy that exterior form, because perhaps that is the best choice for aerodynamics and such as we arrived through our own research, but the internal electronics, guidance logics, etc .. are completely designed and integrated by us

For IAF, NGCCM = ASRAAM Block 4. We are probably going to license produce Block 6 from the sustainment program at Hyderabad.

 

[abingdonboy]

https://x.com/ani/status/1702951719620264212?s=46&t=8QPJecNQmmoeL0BRyMQdjg

The only logical move and a pretty obvious sign MRFA is dead but ‘moving a case’ is perhaps the least committed answer possible. If they drag it out as long as the 83 MK1A order the first jets from this second order wouldn’t be ready for induction before the 83rd is delivered anyway

Had they placed an order for 183 from the start they’d have had much faster deliveries (easily could’ve touched 30/year) and it would’ve been more cost effective. This many years later the second batch will be much more expensive than the first

2 steps foreword, 1 step back always

 

[johnj]

https://x.com/ani/status/1702951719620264212?s=46&t=8QPJecNQmmoeL0BRyMQdjg

The only logical move and a pretty obvious sign MRFA is dead but ‘moving a case’ is perhaps the least committed answer possible. If they drag it out as long as the 83 MK1A order the first jets from this second order wouldn’t be ready for induction before the 83rd is delivered anyway

Had they placed an order for 183 from the start they’d have had much faster deliveries (easily could’ve touched 30/year) and it would’ve been more cost effective. This many years later the second batch will be much more expensive than the first

2 steps foreword, 1 step back always

MMRCA/MMRCA2/MRFA/.............. is totally alive
LCA MK1- ioc 16, foc 16, trainer 18, a 73 ordered so far
Till date there is no further AoN for MK1*, but additional MKI got AoN.

 

[abingdonboy]

MMRCA/MMRCA2/MRFA/.............. is totally alive
LCA MK1- ioc 16, foc 16, trainer 18, a 73 ordered so far
Till date there is no further AoN for MK1*, but additional MKI got AoN.

100 more LCA MK1A kills MRFA

 

[johnj]

100 more LCA MK1A kills MRFA

No.
LCA is light category, can't match MRFA
When IAF says LCA. it means all LCA variants including LCA mki[ioc, foc, a,b..] and mk2. MK1 replaces half/more than half of mig21 and mk2 fill the gaps of mig23, mig27, m2k, mig29
IAF want EU jets, 150 of them, it doesn't matter its m2k, rafale or other jets, I don't think MoD fall for IAF demands that easily, and these EU jets for countering PLAAF.