LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Trololo]

That was an emergency purchase for the MKIs, they clearly don’t want them for the LCA

MiG 29s too I suppose. Having said that I am in favour of integrating Archers and Alamos with the LCA. Will make the platform even more attractive to countries like Egypt, Algeria, etc which operate these Russian weapons. Of course first priority should be to sell Astra.

 

[LakshmanPST7]

Its talking about the total, the IOC and FOC squadron are composed 20 aircraft (16 single seaters and 4 trainers)...we dont really know how the 83 Mk.1A are going to be "ordered" once inducted in the IAF since its not an even number, its a bit over 4 squadrons of 16 aircraft each, and a bit under 5 squadrons. Its possible its going to be 4 and a few more in cases of loss or rotations.
Also, they ordered less trainers (10 in total, meaning, 2 or 3 per squadron of Mk.1A)

My guess, this will be the squadron composition of all Tejas squadrons once all of them are delivered--->
No. 45 -> 16 Single seaters IOC + 3 Twin seaters
No. 18 -> 16 Single seaters FOC + 3 Twin seaters
3rd squadron -> 19 Single seater Mk1A with 2052 + 3 Twin seaters
4th, 5th & 6th squadrons each -> 18 Single seater Mk1A with Uttam + 3 Twin seaters...
Total 105 single seaters + 18 Twin seaters = 123 jets
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Standard squadron composition of IAF is 16 fighters + 2 Trainers + reserves...
So, overall we have 9 single seat and 6 Twin seat reserves for all 6 squadrons...

 

[LakshmanPST7]

Thanks for clarification. But that is still 10 in 20 months on a production line that is reasonably optimized by now. What I mean is for a change there seems to have been good slack built into 83 MK1A as against over promise under deliver?

This will probably be the Production schedule--->
2022 March -> Finish single seater Mk1 FOC order
2023 March -> 8 Trainers from Mk1 order
2024 March -> 2 Mk1A + 4-6 Trainers of Mk1A order
2025 March -> 8 Mk1A + 4-6 Trainers of Mk1A order
2026 March -> 14-16 Mk1A
2027 March -> 14-16 Mk1A
2028 March -> 14-16 Mk1A
2029 March -> 14-16 Mk1A
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I really doubt all 8 Trainers of Mk1 order will be done by July 2022... I'm pretty sure it will take atleast till December 2022 to deliver all of them in the best case scenario...
There may not be any production gap...

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

My guess, this will be the squadron composition of all Tejas squadrons once all of them are delivered--->
No. 45 -> 16 Single seaters IOC + 3 Twin seaters
No. 18 -> 16 Single seaters FOC + 3 Twin seaters
3rd squadron -> 19 Single seater Mk1A with 2052 + 3 Twin seaters
4th, 5th & 6th squadrons each -> 18 Single seater Mk1A with Uttam + 3 Twin seaters...
Total 105 single seaters + 18 Twin seaters = 123 jets
----
Standard squadron composition of IAF is 16 fighters + 2 Trainers + reserves...
So, overall we have 9 single seat and 6 Twin seat reserves for all 6 squadrons...

No one will keep that many planes in reserve. Its more likely they make 6 squadrons out of them, 3/2 reserves each.

 

[dumdumdum]

My guess, this will be the squadron composition of all Tejas squadrons once all of them are delivered--->
No. 45 -> 16 Single seaters IOC + 3 Twin seaters
No. 18 -> 16 Single seaters FOC + 3 Twin seaters
3rd squadron -> 19 Single seater Mk1A with 2052 + 3 Twin seaters
4th, 5th & 6th squadrons each -> 18 Single seater Mk1A with Uttam + 3 Twin seaters...
Total 105 single seaters + 18 Twin seaters = 123 jets
----
Standard squadron composition of IAF is 16 fighters + 2 Trainers + reserves...
So, overall we have 9 single seat and 6 Twin seat reserves for all 6 squadrons...

That makes sense. I probably misread Indranil's tweet when he said 2 FOC + 8 trainers to fly in next 5-6 weeks. At the same time it did not appear far fetched as FOC trainers have been reported to be on jigs many weeks back

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[vidhwanshak]

Don't you all think Astra integration is taking too much time?
Right now, Tejas doesn't have a good BVR missile integrated

 

[Covfefe]

Don't you all think Astra integration is taking too much time?
Right now, Tejas doesn't have a good BVR missile integrated

I Derby?

 

[vidhwanshak]

I Derby?

AFAIK Range is 85 KM and this doesn't give us any edge against our adversaries

 

[Super Flanker]

Senior Minister of Defence Hishammuddin Hussein visited the HAL stall at currently ongoing DSA 2022. That model of Tejas looks so beautiful! If Tejas wins Malaysian Tender than it will be a very good thing.

 

[Super Flanker]

AFAIK Range is 85 KM and this doesn't give us any edge against our adversaries

No I don't think so it is 85, it is around the range of 100kms.

Our adversary Pakistan has AMRAAM AIM-120C5 BVRs Which has a reported range of 105 kms so yes Derby is definitely rivaling AMRAAM even though it has a slightly shorter range but low RCS of Tejas can compensate for it.

 

[vidhwanshak]

No I don't think so it is 85, it is around the range of 100kms.

Our adversary Pakistan has AMRAAM AIM-120C5 BVRs Which has a reported range of 105 kms so yes Derby is definitely rivaling AMRAAM even though it has a slightly shorter range low RCS of Tejas can compensate for it.

DERBY -ER has a range of 100 Kms not derby

 

[Super Flanker]

DERBY -ER has a range of 100 Kms not derby

Than which Derby do we have in our Tejas? Is it Derby ER? IR? Please clear the Confusion and also they are in active service with Tejas Right?

 

[vidhwanshak]

Than which Derby do we have in our Tejas? Is it Derby ER? IR? Please clear the Confusion and also they are in active service with Tejas Right?

there is confusion over I-Derby and I-Derby ER

 

[mist_consecutive]

Newer versions were ordered in 2020. The 1990s wala items are being phased out.

R-27 is a semi-active radar-guided missile, it was good 60 years ago. All the current BVR missiles are active-radar guided.

For R-77 (which I hear we got an extended version), is not worth the hassle. The range is the same as Astra (~110 km), but still inferior seeker, kinematics, and ECCM performance. Not to mention Russians will scam us big money for integration into the Israeli/Desi radar.

 

[Trololo]

R-27 is a semi-active radar-guided missile, it was good 60 years ago. All the current BVR missiles are active-radar guided.

For R-77 (which I hear we got an extended version), is not worth the hassle. The range is the same as Astra (~110 km), but still inferior seeker, kinematics, and ECCM performance. Not to mention Russians will scam us big money for integration into the Israeli/Desi radar.

India ordered huge R27 stocks recently. So its not that simple I suppose.
Of course India's Astra is better than the R77 series. My whole point is about making the LCA more attractive to countries which already use Russian munitions. In case LCA + Astra combo becomes expensive, a country may opt to integrate the R77 and R27 instead.

 

[cannonfodder]

Good thread to read by indranil. Cannot post all 23 tweets.. please read.

 

[Bhaubai]

Bacche ke Jaan loge kya

 

[Vamsi]

Bacche ke Jaan loge kya

Screenshot if deleted

 

[Dark Sorrow]

@Dark Sorrow ..here is what HVT sir said about Brahmos-NG

No Bhramos-NG