LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Bleh]

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For a moment there, I thought ones with refueling-probes are the 4 FOCs that were to be delivered.

 

[patriots]

Astra Mk2 is not tested yet. How would it be ready in 2 years?

Will be tested this year
Prototype in making.

It will not much time like astra mk1mk1

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

The US didn't block the 404, the main reason KAI was forced to block the sale was because there were a number of components made in Britain that couldn't be exported, it was mainly a political issue, if the next argentine government has a more relaxed relationship with the Uk its possible that the issue regarding some of the components (in the case of the Tejas a lot less than the FA-50) the issue could be bypassed. Or just try to get India to manufacture the components to replace...

The British did lobby with US. I think it never got to that stage cos Kai can't do without British components. Even if KAI had an replacement for British parts, the UK would have next forcefully blocked GE404. We don't know if there was any British technology involved in GE404 engine seeing even if a tech is developed by GE UK it can be still be blocked.

As for India, I am not saying it's impossible, but that article was plain childish and stupid.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Are you a kid?
What's your age 22?
Do you really think RR deal will help us?

Yes it will ... What's your age by the way ?

And Argentinian must be really stupid to spend their money on tejas.

 

[Tang]

Yes it will ... What's your age by the way ?

And Argentinian must be really stupid to spend their money on tejas.

We heard the same about the Snecma deal isn't it.

 

[Roland55]

The British did lobby with US. I think it never got to that stage cos Kai can't do without British components. Even if KAI had an replacement for British parts, the UK would have next forcefully blocked GE404. We don't know if there was any British technology involved in GE404 engine seeing even if a tech is developed by GE UK it can be still be blocked.

As for India, I am not saying it's impossible, but that article was plain childish and stupid.

The current situation is really complicated, maybe in 2026 (or around that time) when the closing years of the A-4AR come and the next government is given more appealing decisions its going to buy something?, for the time being, the only thing we can do is discuss/ramble about it. I really like the Tejas, maybe the Naval one more, still hope to have good times in the future!

 

[Flying Dagger]

We heard the same about the Snecma deal isn't it.

What you heard about it... ?

Was that specific for you ?

It seems so as I never did... Why don't you enlighten us all.

 

[Kalsarp]

Ok.HAL is a state of the art world class company..
They can sell their game changer products in world market and get serious money..
Why rely on ungrateful IAF ?

Funny. Only funny

 

[omaebakabaka]

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Own kids are always the best looking

 

[patriots]

Past with present and future

 

[SUPERPOWER]

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That MIG 21 looks brand new..They have repainted it or what!!!!

 

[patriots]

That MIG 21 looks brand new..They have repainted it or what!!!!

Overhauled you can say
They are being overhauled by hal

 

[Bleh]

That MIG 21 looks brand new..They have repainted it or what!!!!

Overhauled.. Plus the LSP Tejas has seen very rough handling in comparison, creating a contrast.

 

[Spitfire9]

Out of curiosity, what systems needed for Mk1A are outstanding in the sense that they are not yet developed to a tested production version? I don't mean UTTAM or any other locally developed system to be used in the future. Is everything lined up that is needed for production to start once the prototype/LSP1 is tested?

 

[Lonewolf]

Out of curiosity, what systems needed for Mk1A are outstanding in the sense that they are not yet developed to a tested production version? I don't mean UTTAM or any other locally developed system to be used in the future. Is everything lined up that is needed for production to start once the prototype/LSP1 is tested?

No clear info on that part yet

 

[omaebakabaka]

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Mig looks sexier than Tejas....never liked delta wings from top, looks like a cape wearing dude

 

[omaebakabaka]

Out of curiosity, what systems needed for Mk1A are outstanding in the sense that they are not yet developed to a tested production version? I don't mean UTTAM or any other locally developed system to be used in the future. Is everything lined up that is needed for production to start once the prototype/LSP1 is tested?

I am sure there are lot of issues possibly minor in nature, better to go with slow deployment of first version...I think they are doing it the right way to test it as much as they can

 

[omaebakabaka]

Yes it will ... What's your age by the way ?

And Argentinian must be really stupid to spend their money on tejas.

UK vs Argentina, then its no brainer that its UK for us...its better to partner with UK, Russia and French for us than anyone else in that order

 

[onlinpunit]

Acchhe din for Tejas.

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[WolfPack86]

Drop the price of Jf-17 or will go for Indian Tejas: Argentina to China
A few months back a delegation from china was in Argentina to pitch JF-17 Thunder jets for its air force, even China able to seal 12 JF-17 fighters for Argentina’s air force.


But according to recent news published on various Chinese media, just as the order for the Dragon Fighter between China and Argentina was about to be signed and delivered, Argentina suddenly change its mind. Not only they ask China to reduce prices, It even pressured they can go for Indian LCA fighter jets. Seems like Argentina finally realised the disadvantages of JF-17 fighter.

Recently, the large order of 12 JF-17 fighters between China and Argentina has changed. During the discussion, Argentina suddenly express JF-17 is too expensive and proposed that if China does not reduce the price, then Argentina is likely to switch to buying India’s LCA Tejas fighters. In response, China said – $50 million price of the JF-17 fighter is absolutely worthy of its performance.

Since the Anglo-Amara Islands War, Argentina’s military strength has been severely hit, and to make matters worse, Argentina was also subject to an arms embargo from the United Kingdom at that time, and this positioning has continued to this day, which led to the British in Europe. Allies are reluctant to sell weapons and equipment to Argentina, and even France once refused to sell weapons and equipment to Argentina.

This has directly led to the extreme shortage of weapons and equipment in Argentina now, and the national air force strugling to find a supersonic fighter. It is imperative for Argentina to purchase new fighters and expand the combat capabilities of the Air Force. After repeated consideration, Argentina finally chose the BLOCK3 model of China’s JF-17 fighter, but Argentina said that the price JF-17 which is $50 million is too expensive, and it is necessary for China to reduce the price, but in fact, such a request is reasonable after all Jf-17 fighter is one of the low quality build fighter in the world

According to Chinese media, Compared with the previous two batches, the third batch of Xiaolong fighters is the most advanced batch. Not only is it installed active phased array radar, but its detection capability can also greatly improved, and it can even produce a certain detection effect on some stealth targets, Can detect six targets within 170 kilometers at the same time, and even direct missiles strike to multiple targets.

The power system has also replaced the RD93MA engine from Russia. While the thrust is increased, the fuel efficiency is improved. At the same time, the entire aircraft’s avionics system and fuel tank systems have been redesigned for combat effectiveness, and can even mount the Pili 10 missiles of the same type as the J-20 fighter. Although the Xiaolong sold to Argentina may not be equipped with Pili 10, it is also It can carry the same advanced missiles such as the J-10c, so although US$50 million is relatively more expensive, it is definitely worth the money. said by Chinese media.

But everyone knows the build quality of Chinese products, example is Wing Loong UCAV export to UAE by China is keep falling from the sky. Both UAE and Iran stop using Chinese made UCAV.

In contrast, the performance of India’s Tejas fighter jets is completely Superior to JF-17 fighter, and in addition to performance, Tejas mk1a is one of the best light weight fighter in the current world. It is fitted with Air-to-air refuelling probe,Fuel system enhancement, Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles, GSH 23 mm twin barrelled gun, advanced avionics with HMD. Even the best part is it can use Russian, Israeli, European, and Indian missiles.

Tejas Elta 2052 radar can track up to 64 targets simultaneously at longer ranges which is more what JF-17 can track. This radar enables Tejas Mk1A to simultaneously target multiple enemy fighters in combat engagements. The range of Tejas radar is nearly 300km.

The aircraft has also been equipped with advanced autopilot capabilities like auto-level (in case of pilot disorientation), safe altitude recovery (which automatically pulls up the aircraft if it comes too close to the ground) and auto navigation modes. It also equipped with Instrument Landing System (ILS) and tactical air navigation system (TACAN), will allow the pilot to concentrate on “head-down” mission-critical requirements rather than worry about basic flying.

Even with these advanced features the price of Tejas is so less compare to others. “Cost per aircraft is Rs 309 crore ($42 million). The trainer will cost Rs 280 crore. This is a very competitive price. Other countries have found this cost and have realised that it is the cheapest offer for a four-and-a-half generation aircraft,” he said.

According to many reports, lots of South Asian, Middle East and India’s neighbor countries are interest in Tejas fighter aircraft. So its no surprise things Argentina looking for LCA Tejas rather than Chinese Jf-17.

Drop the price of Jf-17 or will go for Indian Tejas: Argentina to China – Defence View