LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[WARREN SS]

LOOOOOOOOL, that literally means the number of crashes is worse in china because these are mainly the ones which were shown to the outer world or came out of China somehow. Again, naive attempt to defend china, so much for seniority.

I Asked your source Of the crashes you claimed to be happen by any authentic or reliable Source
Like Military think tank or Any Seasoned Military Expert

Provide Me the links ???

 

[johnq]

LOOOOOOOOL, that literally means the number of crashes is worse in china because these are mainly the ones which were shown to the outer world or came out of China somehow. Again, naive attempt to defend china, so much for seniority.

This is correct. Chinese have also been caught lying time and again about their engines and other technology in their propaganda brochures.

 

[FalconZero]

I Asked your source Of the crashes you claimed to be happen by any authentic or reliable Source
Like Military think tank or Any Seasoned Military Expert

My Faith comes From

There R&D Budget And Strong industrial base there Economic Might

While your Claims comes from Bias you have for Chinese that is Why you underestimating them
Even though in reality they dominate global supply chain and Manufacturing resources

The J-15—which is an unlicensed Chinese development based on a T-10K-3 prototype of the Russian Su-33 Flanker-D—has proven to be a disappointment in service with the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). The navalized Chinese Flanker derivative has suffered a number of high-profile crashes due to technical issues with the aircraft’s engines and flight control system.
The J-15’s problems are apparently serious enough that Beijing is embarking on the development of a new carrier-based aircraft that would take the J-15’s place in China’s nascent carrier air wings.

China's Carrier-Based Fighter Jets Keep Crashing And Burning

China is developing a new carrier-based fighter aircraft to succeed the Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark.The J-15—which is an unlicensed Chinese development

taskandpurpose.com

A copy of su33, which has issues from engines to FCS. These are just reported cases, chinks are now looking for replacement, I don't really give a shiet but your bias is pretty apparent when you behave like a chink who normally when nothing left start using strawman.

Your points are so rubbish and rediculous that they are outright laughable at this point.

Coming to supply chain manufacturing, LOOOOOOL, again sheer ignorance, how do you think they reached there? It was because west like USA and likes of Taiwan helped them, without them chinks will struggle to do even basic shiet, no wonder their copycats are shiet chink tier. You indirectly proved our point lul.

 

[WARREN SS]

The J-15—which is an unlicensed Chinese development based on a T-10K-3 prototype of the Russian Su-33 Flanker-D—has proven to be a disappointment in service with the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). The navalized Chinese Flanker derivative has suffered a number of high-profile crashes due to technical issues with the aircraft’s engines and flight control system.
The J-15’s problems are apparently serious enough that Beijing is embarking on the development of a new carrier-based aircraft that would take the J-15’s place in China’s nascent carrier air wings.

China's Carrier-Based Fighter Jets Keep Crashing And Burning

China is developing a new carrier-based fighter aircraft to succeed the Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark.The J-15—which is an unlicensed Chinese development

taskandpurpose.com

A copy of su33, which has issues from engines to FCS. These are just reported cases, chinks are now looking for replacement, I don't really give a shiet but your bias is pretty apparent when you behave like a chink who normally when nothing left start using strawman.

Your points are so rubbish and rediculous that they are outright laughable at this point.

Coming to supply chain manufacturing, LOOOOOOL, again sheer ignorance, how do you think they reached there? It was because west like USA and likes of Taiwan helped them, without them chinks will struggle to do even basic shiet, no wonder their copycats are shiet chink tier. You indirectly proved our point lul.

At First


Basically you posted A New Blog By random Author

Your Source Mentioned 4 Crashes And declared It failure

According to the SCMP, there have been at least four J-15 crashes that have resulted in at least one fatality and one case of serious injury due to what has been described as a series of “unpardonable mechanical failures.”

“The J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” a source told the SCMP. (Its Source Based news)

You read Further You Find More Source based Conjecture
How Western so called Experts demean Non Western Technology Specially Russians Chinese

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...st-might-kill-russias-new-stealth-su-57-25893


Even Our MKI has Problem With Fly by wire going by there Logic

https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar...su-30mki_fighter_jets_have_a_big_problem.html

IAF Chief hints at design flaw in Su-30 MKI

www.sps-aviation.com

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[FalconZero]

Basically Less Credible And More of conjecture

No pure credible Military source

10 MKI Crashed Till Now is it failure ???
It Engine Issues

Why are India's air force planes falling out of the sky?

All air forces have accidents, but accounts of Indian warplanes crashing on training flights have become almost routine news, writes Andrew North.

www.bbc.com

Why are India's air force planes falling out of the sky?


Do you know how many J-10 are in Chinese Inventory

468 as of 2020


Should I post Articles Pointing out problems With MKI And other Russian jets ???

More conjecture? Do you really forget the name of the country we are talking about? It's f**king china which downplays their every failure, so it's not something hidden, you also ignore the point that their j10s had PESA radar which they claim was AESA, you also ignore the part that they copied a downgraded russian junk but you trust the numbers while ignore the fact that their Russian copy j15 is a colossal failure like j20....

Half of the chinkshiet j10 is old aircraft.

 

[johnq]

Basically Less Credible And More of conjecture

No pure credible Military source

10 MKI Crashed Till Now is it failure ???
It Engine Issues

Why are India's air force planes falling out of the sky?

All air forces have accidents, but accounts of Indian warplanes crashing on training flights have become almost routine news, writes Andrew North.

www.bbc.com

Why are India's air force planes falling out of the sky?


Do you know how many J-10 are in Chinese Inventory

468 as of 2020


Should I post Articles Pointing out problems With MKI And other Russian jets ???

You are expecting a totalitarian country that didn't accept its casualties in Galwan to officially release information about crashes that are humiliating for its air force? Good luck with that, along with believing Chinese brochures.

 

[johnq]

you yourself Posted anything contrary
Same goes for R-77 and Astra Mk1 and Meteor Or MICA

So Chinese don't have 14 trillion $ economy
they Don't spend 500 billion + on R&D every year
They are not No1 at Research Patents filing every year

can you explain me what is Patent filing ??? or Publishing research papers ??

You are again going off topic listing typical Chinese propaganda points that has nothing to do with the PLAAF crashes, or the fact that the PLAAF has been caught in lies about engines and avionics.

 

[FalconZero]

you yourself Posted anything contrary
Same goes for R-77 and Astra Mk1 and Meteor Or MICA

So Chinese don't have 14 trillion $ economy
they Don't spend 500 billion + on R&D every year
They are not No1 at Research Patents filing every year

can you explain me what is Patent filing ??? or Publishing research papers ??

For nearly a decade, China has taken great pride at filing the largest number of domestic patents. It’s proving less keen on keeping them.

Despite huge numbers of filings, most patents are discarded by their fifth year as licensees balk at paying escalating fees. When it comes to design, more than nine out of every ten lapses -- almost the mirror opposite of the U.S.

The high attrition rate is a symptom of the way China has pushed universities, companies and backyard inventors to transform the country into a self-sufficient powerhouse. Subsidies and other incentives are geared toward making patent filings, rather than making sure those claims are useful. So the volume doesn’t translate into quality, with the country still dependent on others for innovative ideas, such as modern smartphones.

“It means these patents really aren’t as valuable as people thought,” said Lu Junfeng, a patent attorney at Shanghai-based JZMC Patent and Trademark Law Office. “If the retention rate is so low for design patents, then it calls into question whether there’s a bigger systematic problem.”

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

China also used to lie about their gdp, still does, their provinces are given a target they have to reply for Yes in that regard, doesn't matter the reality, they adjust it later. No denying that they are investing in R&D but their ground reality is that they are still decades behind and most of their current tech is copied junk.

 

[patriots]

 

[Suhaan]

Did HAL fumble with the production of Tejas FOC? [Reality check] - Alpha Defense

The state-owned Hindustan aeronautics limited is the lead integrator of LCA Tejas. The company has an order of 40 LCA Tejas of MK 1 variant (including executed orders). This includes 16 Tejas MK1 IOC Standards, 16 Tejas MK1 FOC Standards, and 8 Tejas MK1 based trainers. The latest claim is “HAL...

alphadefense.in

 

[vishnugupt]

So basically Indian Armed forces are the sole reason for long existence of PSUs because private companies could neither comply their tortuous requirements nor possess financial and manufacturing capabilities.

It's also good for Armed forces for having PSUs as a Scape goats otherwise it would have been very difficult to shift all blame on private companies. These Private companies could have taken our generals to court of laws for defamation.

Thanks to social media, our many previous wrong/fake perceptions now stand exposed.

 

[johnq]

Uttam AESA Radar - Flight Testing Updates

 

[Illusive]

US Can't defeat North Koreans Let alone Russians And Chinese

US can't Fight Without Allies that is Why they Suck it up to India

Last Time they gone alone in Vietnam. With all there Superiority but humiliated by farmers

War Is not Just About tech but Terrain ,Situations And public support

Chinese are superior to India in Armored warfare but Due to Himalayas all there Superiority is Unreliable If they Fought Us in Mountainous terrain they Will be fucked and Will pushed back.
same goes To India If We go offensive in Tibetan terrain

Chinese Enjoy mighty Labor force With strong Industrial base And human capital that alone Is made them indestructible force on earth to reckon with like Russians

If you really think US can't bomb the shit out of NK and bring it to its knees without human rights crying hoarse then you are deluded.

It doesn't because A country to defeat B country is very tricky considering geo political scenarios today. Wars are fought on many levels, even economic. You have to define what defeat means.

So what is the use of fawning over their mechanized forces when it is practically useless against India.

Indestructible force, lol. Dont be a simp. Russia is just a bitch of China today, your so called indestructible force has to been reduced to take orders. China no doubt is big economically, but their system is very vulnerable. It looks impregnable because they advertise as such.

Americans are greedy and that will be their downfall, its not too late though. All kingdom/superpower eventually fall. India did, China did, Germany did, Russia did, Japan did, Mongols did. Now again the fight for global hierarchy is on.

 

[Illusive]

NK has nothing loose
While south Korea and Japan does

US has everything in this war.
This the same case scenario with Pakistan

That why india is fighting never-ending
Unconventional war for 70 years

Had usa have capacity it would won last korean war.

Sadly it won't

War is nor this easy

Your muricans ran out from Afghanistan

Giving power to same Pakistan and taliban who was in control pre 9/11 era

Taliban is slowly gaining control with terrorism and creating fear with attacks every everyday.
This the same way it cane to power last time

NK has its homesoil to loose, they will be like Afghanistan a lawless land. You seem to forget that people in NK and Aghanistan also have normal lives who want to prosper, super powers like USA can toy with these nation . Neither Afghanistan, Pakis, NK or Vietnam can do jackshit to US homeland. US wages war for its warmachine to be well oiled, for their MIC to sell weapons to create chaos where there isn't. You can say US is running from Afghanistan, but they give 2 hoots about the losses there. They made the populous of Afghanistan suffer, can Taliban think of going to America and fighting in their soil. You won't even know that you are being played.

I know US is military cant think of winning a war in an invason of China, India or Russia. Thats why I dont fanboy over them like how you call Chinese labour and industrial force as indestructible. Welcome to the multi polar world buddy.

 

[Bleh]

 

[FalconZero]

As If it's easy bomb shit out any country without global repucusion
US did it Iran invasion

Long ago.

Point is you guys vision is so myopic and limited when it comes understand you adversaries that has almost 5 times bigger in economic terms and
Larger in industrialization and manufacturing



PS: problem is with you guys. you want just Enforce your perceptions and Concept on others

Limiting Scope for free thinking and Unconventional Analysis.

Most you just quoting me just to Enforce your perceptions and Concept

*Yawns*
Most of us were focused on the importance of indigenous systems, rest of your blabbering is unrelated to point in hand....
This is a Tejas thread, it's in the name if you want to discuss other points move to apt thread these are unrelated to the actual topics or initial issues which were mentioned.
Stop making a mountain of a molehill.

Also,
>myopic
JAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
Irony.

 

[MrPresident]

Any news about contract which was to be signed "SOON", "before the end of December" with HAL for 83 LCA MK1A? I think my grand children will see them fly in IAF colors.

 

[FalconZero]

Any news about contract which was to be signed "SOON", "before the end of December" with HAL for 83 LCA MK1A? I think my grand children will see them fly in IAF colors.

Feb 21 is the lollipop which is being given, let's see.

 

[MrPresident]

Whaaa?? AK on twitter said that will be signed in December.

 

[FalconZero]

Nothing logical to contribute as usual

Adios

At least I don't whine and choke on chink propaganda.
Also, take your meds.

Whaaa?? AK on twitter said that will be signed in December.

End of the fiscal year was the timeline they were giving....(2months more)