LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Suhaan]

Difference between Israel and every other big power and india.
Israel was threatened they overcome the challenges and started development of Indigenous world class military manufacturing capabilities. Be it in next generation of radar and or in simple missile technology.
Chinese-they were threatened by far bigger adversary USSR to counter them and to establish themselves as key player in Asia they started mass manufacturing of indigenous developed equipments and today they have a HUGE NAVAL fleet. In few years they will out number US navy in number of ships.
Russian - totally indigenous.
USA - totally indigenous

India since the day one of it's independence is in conflicts 1949 war 1962 1967 1965 1971 1999 & doklam and other small conflicts after each conflict we rapidly gave billions of $ to import equipments but we never developed a industry to fulfill our needs meanwhile Chinese are churning out massive number's. India never developed industry which can protect the country from future threat because of corruption of governments structure of procurement PSU culture and all. India can never gain long term military edge on two front without developing it's own equipments. There are too many issues india is dependent on logistics from 10 countries whenever war breaks Indian defence minster have to run to Russia just to make sure russi will supply spares. What a shame.


I hope after this Chinese crisis we move forward in right direction and take security of the country seriously and develop Desi equipments.

This.We have actually wasted last 16-20 years ,you have to be always on toes,that doesn't mean you import absolutely everything all this while,in the meantime you have to nurture and encourage your domestic setup, being a big country and top 3 economy world exprcts India to be self dependant not that they want it

 

[IndianHawk]

What planet are you living in ? How can you compare France with India. France does not have a hostile neighbour within a thousand miles of its border. India on the other hand, has 2 permanently hostile neighbours - one that is dedicated to its destruction, and China which is also forever hostile to India. India is the only country other than Israel that is surrounded by hostile neighbours.

So dont blame Indian or Israeli pilots if they say I want the best plane we can afford, and I dont shit where its made.

Pakistan is not a conventional military threat. That's why it uses terrorism. And china is full blown developing indegenious tech by beg borrow or steal.

If India has to match Chinese numbers it will have to field indegenious stuff. And of India even matches half of Chinese numbers Pakistan will be overwhelmed very easily.

No one is stopping IAF from having the best but rafale won't give you 42 and more squadrons.
As I said before even buying 100 rafale doesn't change the need to indegenious jets to fill operational gaps.

 

[IndianHawk]

If we need best aircrafts available then we should make it in our home by importing the best parts import the best radars best engines best ejection seats best missiles best avionics and integrate them to make the best aircraft possible like SAAB did with griepen and if indian companies come with best Radars, engines, avionics, missiles etc then it’s even better

Barring engines we are almost there.

 

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[Neil]

What planet are you living in ? How can you compare France with India. France does not have a hostile neighbour within a thousand miles of its border. India on the other hand, has 2 permanently hostile neighbours - one that is dedicated to its destruction, and China which is also forever hostile to India. India is the only country other than Israel that is surrounded by hostile neighbours.

So dont blame Indian or Israeli pilots if they say I want the best plane we can afford, and I dont shit where its made.

No one's trying to say don't buy the best or don't buy a particular aircraft. LCA is the best in its category. If there's a room for rafale, there's a room for LCA as well. I support to buy MMRCA 2.0, but we shouldn't ignore LCA either, simply because our requirement and the threats posed to us is so large and grave.

If there's a two front war (My bad- not if, when) are we going to throw rafale and su30s at Pakistan? No. We need them freed up for action on the east, take into consideration losses, availability etc and number game becomes vital. No other aircraft provides that crucial cushion with superb capability at cheaper rate than LCA does at the moment.

I don't care if LCA is called B/C/D team or even a waterboy, the fact is LCA is vital to India's security challenges.

 

[Suhaan]

Pakistan is not a conventional military threat. That's why it uses terrorism. And china is full blown developing indegenious tech by beg borrow or steal.

If India has to match Chinese numbers it will have to field indegenious stuff. And of India even matches half of Chinese numbers Pakistan will be overwhelmed very easily.

No one is stopping IAF from having the best but rafale won't give you 42 and more squadrons.
As I said before even buying 100 rafale doesn't change the need to indegenious jets to fill operational gaps.

India can afford fielding indegenous weapons against Cheene even if its not mature(perfect)as China is not US ,people here overly overestimate Cheene and their weapons but we can afford testing our first hand indegenous wrapons on them and can improvise over the years,you have to fight and grow on your own legs not that you need imported basakhis to stand and fight,yeah stop gap measures can be taken but not at the cost of your own ability ,sooner or later you will have to look up to your own backyard

 

[Suhaan]

Yeah B team ,club level player

 

[IndianHawk]

Yeah B team ,club level player

It will get derby ER from day 1 as it's already mated with elta 2052 . ( Columbian kfir by Israel).
160km + range ....

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Why can’t we import a GaN based AESA Radars for LCA Tejas before our indigenous UTTAM AESA Radar comes if we install European Radar in LCA it will be able to carry Meteor Missiles like Griepen

 

[ARVION]

Why can’t we import a GaN based AESA Radars for LCA Tejas before our indigenous UTTAM AESA Radar comes if we install European Radar in LCA it will be able to carry Meteor Missiles like Griepen

It's not as simple as you think joker. LCA's don't have that much power to support high energy consumption Radar's System's .

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

It's not as simple as you think joker. LCA's don't have that much power to support high energy consumption Radar's System's .

Then how is griepen planning to incorporate GaN radar with same power plant as LCA?

 

[ARVION]

Then how is griepen planning to incorporate GaN radar with same power plant as LCA?

We opted for the Israeli radar's because they full fill it's our's requirmente's

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

If LCA doesn’t have enough power to incorporate GaN AESA Radars then it should be modified or an entirely new aircraft with twin engine should be developed like ORCA to incorporate GaN based AESA Radars

 

[ARVION]

If LCA doesn’t have enough power to incorporate GaN AESA Radars then it should be modified or an entirely new aircraft with twin engine should be developed like ORCA to incorporate GaN based AESA Radars

The HAL TEDBF will have an advance AESA Radar's probabaly the same being Developed by the LRDE's for the HAL AMCA's , since 2012's .

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

The electronics and software of griepen is better than any aircraft in it’s category LCA can become as good as the griepens if we improve it with time either by developing our own technology or importing best parts from different countries to integrate it in LCA and griepen is developed around GE F404 engines while GE engines in LCA are being used as an interim solution

 

[IndianHawk]

It's not as simple as you think joker. LCA's don't have that much power to support high energy consumption Radar's System's .

Don't jump to conclusions. Elta 2052 may already have gaN components. These things are highly classified .

 

[ARVION]

Don't jump to conclusions. Elta 2052 may already have gaN components. These things are highly classified .

I never said that the Elt 2052 don't have GaN's , but said it's is of low Energy consumptione's Radar's .

 

[IndianHawk]

I never said that the Elt 2052 don't have GaN's , but said it's is of low Energy consumptione's Radar's .

Point is if lca mk1a can handle GAN 2052 it can handle gaN uttam version.

 

[ARVION]

Point is if lca mk1a can handle GAN 2052 it can handle gaN uttam version.

Who said that GaN's can't be found in the Low Energy Consumption's AESA Radar's .

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

The best thing about Griepens is their data sharing capabilities ease of maintenance whether it’s the Radars or the avionics or the on-board mission computer everything is top notch and best in it’s class LCA can do the same because we have good relations with almost every country